My MBP is now 7 years old (pic related, my mid 2010 MBP). It's still running as well as the day i bought it. Due to:
Rugged build
Fully integrated ecosystem
Excellent screen
High quality components
POSIX Compliance Unix OS
2017. Why are you not using a MBP yet /g
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I got the same one but the Touchpad is broken and so is the battery
My T60p is now 10 years old (pic related, a mid 2007 T60p). It's still running as well as the day i bought it. Due to:
Rugged build
Designed to be comfortable instead of being throwaway consumer shit like macbooks
Excellent screen
High quality components
Compatibility with any OS
2017. Why are you not using a T60p yet Sup Forums
The touchpad can sometimes go if it comes into contact with too much seaman. it's user replaceable though.
>not using a sandy bridge thinkpad instead
ayyyyyyyyyy
>not using fully blown 12,5" elitebook instead
You realise that thing is made out of cheap plastic right? Frankly, It's a miracle it's still working. You must just use it for browsing cartoon porn one assumes.
It also looks fucking ugly, unlike the MBP, which is, of course, aesthetically pleasing pleasing
I don't like the flat chicklet keyboard and shit screen, otherwise great machines
My MBPr is now 5 years old. It's still running as well as the day I bought it. Due to:
Superior build quality.
Continued free OS updates.
Get bent fuc bois.
Good to here user. I hope you get another 5 years happy service. feels good right?
You realize plastic on the outside is more ergonomic than fucking aluminium, right?
It also has an internal magnesium frame which is actually strong and not bending like one of the softest and cheapest metals (aluminium)
>It also looks fucking ugly
If you buy a computer based n looks you are literally retarded
I have a 2011 MBP. It's a piece of shit. Every single thing you said is false.
>Rugged build
Weak soda can shit. My Mac wobbles when set on flat surfaces because it fucking bent. I'm not talking about the lid, or just a corner. No, the whole fucking lower housing is BENT.
>Fully integrated ecosystem
Why would anyone use cloud services? Are you too poor to buy a larger hard drive or buy flash drives? Have you never heard of KDE connect?
>Excellent screen
It's shit. Glossy screens suck balls.
>High quality components
Is that why my laptop is bent? Is that why the hinge is loose and why the plastic in the hinge cracked and why I had to glue it back together?
>POSIX Compliance Unix OS
Despite being certified, the OS is not Posix compliant. You'd know if you did anything more than browse fagbook and twatter with your craptop.
>only lasts 10 years
lel
>1680x1050 or 1280x800 screen
>core 2 duo
>"high quality components" that are designed o fail with use
>"Rugged build" aka weak aluminium
Not like this
Most of your moaning smacks of user error. You suggest your macbook pro is BENT. This means that, guess what, YOU BENT it. You shouldnt bend any type of computers. computers are NOT designed to be BENT.
Also, OSX is fully POSIX compliant. I work with UNIX for a living.
But I am, familia!
>2017. Why are you not using a MBP yet /g
Because I'm not a faggot.
This post reeks of paid shilling. Reminds of the time that the iPhone 4 had a problem with the antenna band and Apple told customers that they were "holding it wrong".
I take very good care of all of my machines and this Mac is no exception.
>OSX is fully POSIX compliant
Read these:
weirdnet.nl
news.ycombinator.com
Still applies today.
I don't think you actually understand what POSIX is. it isn't some "Linux thing" you know.
OS X is a fully POSIX compliant operating system (as opposed to Linux, which is not fully compliant).
It is officially branded as Unix.
End of conversation about this.
>I don't think you actually understand what POSIX is. it isn't some "Linux thing" you know.
No, YOU do not understand what Posix is. Read the fucking article, cunt.
>OS X is a fully POSIX compliant operating system (as opposed to Linux, which is not fully compliant).
Posix compliance is a meme anyways. Nonethless, OS X is not fully Posix compliant.
>It is officially branded as Unix.
I can brand myself as a cat, crawl on all fours, and meow. That doesn't make me a cat.
>End of conversation about this.
FYAD. You are entitled to nothing.
Have the same model
Upgraded to 8gb of ram and swapped hd for an SSD couple years ago, still feels new
I won't buy a new one knowing that everything is glued down though
Because I can get a Thinkpad for cheap and if it does break I can fix it way easier then a fagbook pro
Nice one mates. SSD in the MBP FTW!
>macbook pro breaks down
>have to replace whole """logic""" board
LOL. Do you even know what POSIX is? Most of you Windows users wouldn't know what a proper POSIX OS is if it slapped you on the arse with a banjo.
Your broken English gives away your true identity.
Yes, I do. OS X is not fully Posix compliant. Also, I don't use Windows. I use OS X and Debian.
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I am proud of my heritage mates.
bought my 2014 15" mbp with a GT750 for $700 off craigslist
great computer, everything being in the same environment (got an iPhone before getting my mbp, then got an apple watch and airpods) is amazing, integration no other environment can provide.
You should poo in the loo.
Nice one mates. Very glad to be hearing you loving the mighty MBP. :)
Why on earth are you using Debian? You should be using the RHEL. I take it you arn't a professional user?
Is this your first day working as a paid shill or something? Your English is horrible, as are your weak attempts to promote the brand.
>RHEL
I'm not going to use a distro used by the NSA.
>I take it you arn't a professional user?
Not an argument. Debian runs Sublime Text and GCC.
Mates listen. I am not being the paid shill please.
Debian is NOT POSIX compliant, nor is your windows laptop. I would very much suggest you to start using OSX or RHEL in order to gain compliance.
my 2012 mba still runs like its brand new.
might get a mbp this summer.
>Mates listen.
That's plural. Who is the third person you're talking to?
>Debian is NOT POSIX compliant
debian.org
>nor is your windows laptop.
en.wikipedia.org
>I would very much suggest you to start using OSX or RHEL in order to gain compliance.
Sorry, I don't use software that spies on me.
what are the advantages of POSIX compliance?
It's a set of standards that when followed make your program easier to port to other operating systems. It hasn't really mattered for over a decade and is now thrown around as a buzzword by dumb macfags like OP who don't know what it is.
I have one of these collecting dust because of a busted battery and only 4G of RAM being inadequate.
But I still feel like I got ripped off. I bought the thing fully expecting for it to become my primary machine, but 7 years later all i ever used it for was bedtime surfing and content consumption, while getting shit done on my Windows desktop machine. Plus the magsafe adapter ripped itself apart every year like clockwork.
Six months ago I bought an iPad to replace it and I haven't powered on the MBP since.
bs
>Is a Neanderthal who can't take care of shit
>Fucks up laptop
>Blames brand
>Invents lies and repeats them until he believes them so he doesn't have to come to terms with being the one at fault
If I were you I would just buy cheap shit so that it's easier to replace when you inevitably fuck it up
>debian.org
So your rebuttal....proves him correct? Nice work.
>en.wikipedia.org
That shit was deprecated years ago and was just a shitty nearly-unusable shim to win contracts that mandated POSIX compliance.
This is not a one off case. This type of shit is happening to lots of people. Apple shit is known for bending because they use the cheapest fucking aluminum.
Remember when Apple told iPhone 4 users that they weren't getting reception because they were holding it wrong? I remember.
Mid 2013 here, still works great but I need to replace battery that lasted much longer than any battery on any notebook I've ever had.
How retarded you have to bee to bend your mac?
>Linux is intended to adhere to POSIX.1, but the POSIX standards cost real money and the POSIX.1 (and FIPS 151-2) certification is quite expensive
So we're no longer talking about Posix compliance, but rather certification now? Nice goal post shifting.
>That shit was deprecated years ago
Ubuntu subsystem. I'm not even here to argue for Windows anyways, since it's shit for other reasons.
>How retarded you have to bee to bend your mac?
Apparently retarded enough to use it normally and expect it not to bend.
I owned an iphone 4, and I never had a problem with it. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple was using cheap as possible materials, all companies do because their goal is to make a profit. I have still managed to never bend an electronic device, Apple or otherwise, despite carting them around in my pocket/backpack daily.
Doesn't matter the brand, price, or quality; start taking care of your shit and respecting yourself a little more.
>is happening
>known for bending
>cites unrelated antenna issue
So these unibody Macbook Pro's just bend on their own then? What explains this phenomenon? Humidity? Do they just shrivel up like a tomato left out in the sun?
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I'm not the only one with this problem. It's quite common.
>known for bending
>cites unrelated antenna issue
I cited the antenna issue because it's just one of many examples of Apple putting out a shit product, then blaming users for defects. That's the kind of company Apple is, and the users just bend over and take it. Now, should we discuss the bending iPhone 6 which was such as widespread problem that Apple actually admitted to it? Or will you gloss that over too?
Yeah lots of companies release shit products on occasion and most certainly have plenty of PR blunders under their belt. The twist is that Apple has rectified all of these issues (except for, of course, your imaginary MBP-self-bending problem) whereas every other company just sweeps these issues under the rug or flat out ignores their customers and doesn't acknowledge at all.
Apple products are incredibly popular and their major product lines aren't stupidly fragmented. Even the iPad with it's numerous iterations still have huge user bases. When one of them has an issue, there's 100k that have the same issue, and Apple addresses it because of the public scrutiny, and are typically generous due to their superior customer service. Other OEMs are able to get away with shipping products with out of date or completely broken drivers and hardware and get away with it without any public scrutiny because their products are so fragmented they know there isn't going to be a petition to repair the ethernet port on the Dell E7540 because only a handful of people even bought the piece of shit to begin with. Take, for example, the 2011 era Macbook Pros that have defective GPUs. Apple was repairing those things for free up until the end of 2016, or 4 years after the purchase date, no questions asked. Other OEMs honor the 1 year warranty if you're lucky. Thats it.
>Yeah lots of companies release shit products on occasion
Except Apple releases shit consistently.
>Apple has rectified all of these issues
Sort of like how they removed the time remaining indicator on the 2016 MBPs when people complained of shitty battery life?
>except for, of course, your imaginary MBP-self-bending problem
Things are not imaginary just because you don't like them.
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>flat out ignores their customers and doesn't acknowledge at all
Apple does this all the fucking time.
>Apple products are incredibly popular and their major product lines aren't stupidly fragmented
>buy latest macbook
>buy latest iphone
>can't plug the phone into the macbook because it ships with a usb a to lightning cable
>"not fragmented"
Post some more so I can keep roasting you.
Did you ever try pissing on your keyboard or jumping on your notebook? Because after those tortures the Thinkpad still works eventhough it's "cheap plastic"
Work on your reading comprehension.
>Except Apple releases shit consistently.
Wrong.
>Sort of like how they removed the time remaining indicator on the 2016 MBPs when people complained of shitty battery life?
That was a dumb one.
>Things are not imaginary just because you don't like them.
In total I see about 5-6 reported cases of this. Try finding something that's recall level and we'll see.
>Apple does this all the fucking time.
OK.
>can't plug the phone into the macbook because it ships with a usb a to lightning cable
Buy a $20 cable. Or you can't because you're poor? Do dongles and adapters trigger your $72.87 account balance?
Here's just one example we can use as a homework assignment for you. Look up the trackpad problems with the Precision M3800 or the last-gen XPS15 and see what Dell's response is to this widespread problem. There isn't one. These unanswered issues are far more common with PC OEMs than Apple. Other OEM customer service is inferior. It's proven.
You're just triggered because you're poor.
Get some self awareness.
So the best you can do now is call people poor because they don't want to drag around a purse full of dongles like you? I see. I've disproven all of your mactoddler bullshit. None of this shit gets recalled because Apple will not admit that there's a problem. We've been over this, yet you continually move the goal post because it's the best you can do. You know I'm right, you retard.
Because those are mostly user issues when it comes to Dells, people too stupid to change a few settings, even though Windows 10 is easier than ever to use.
There's a reason why the XPS 13 and 15 all get amazing reviews, because they're actually really good computers. The number of complaints are way lower than Apple, the minority is always going to be vocal for when it comes to Dell issues but going through the numbers, the issues for Apple products are actually the majority.
I don't carry around a purse full of dongles, I have a 2011 Macbook Pro that was generously repaired with a brand new logic board by Apple late last year, completely out of warranty. A mistake they made, and rectified. They also put in a brand new battery as a courtesy. It will easily last me another 2-3 years, and is still worth about 40% of it's original sticker price. I've upgraded it to 16GB of RAM with a 500GB SSD and replaced the optical drive with a 1TB HDD, all myself, and they still repaired it for free out of warranty, just by walking into their shitty retail store. None of those things or situations apply to any other computer manufacturer and if you can show me Lenovo, HP, Dell or any other OEM offering any other similar repair extension program then you'll be right. But you can't, so you're wrong.
1. Those trackpad issues were physical, they flexed under the slightest amount of pressure and registered clicks incorrectly. Driver updates did not fix it. Dell does not have a fix, they will replace the trackpad only if the machine is under warranty but the issue does not go away. It's a design flaw, a defect, that they do not and will not rectify.
2. New XPS13 and 15 are good computers, agreed.
3. You need numbers to back up those claims.
pcworld.com
cpsc.gov
Other manufacturers also recall parts when they fuck up, though it's usually stuff like batteries which are more of a chemical process. None of my laptops have had defective motherboards. You're just proving my point of how shit Apple products are if they can't get the goddamn motherboard right. You also look like a complete idiot for bragging about installing RAM and a hard drive. Can you also use the potty on your own like a big boy?
>It's still running as well as the day i bought it.
So, as a facebook machine?
Because coincidentally I have access to many ~2010 MBPs and all of them are shit for doing any work.
>None of my laptops
Anecdotal.
>You're just proving my point of how shit Apple products are if they can't get the goddamn motherboard right.
You're right, no other OEM has ever shipped a computer with a bad motherboard. Only Apple has. Sure.
My point is they did, and it was shitty, but they fixed it. Others do, it's reported less because no one wants to write an article about an E5540 or whatever motherboard failure, and Dell doesn't respond because fuck you, that's why. That's the status quo for every company except Apple, which is held to a higher standard (a higher standard in which you are clearly subconsciously holding them to).
In regards to the RAM and HD upgrades, my point is that Apple still repaired the machine out of warranty even with non OEM parts in the machine. Any other manufacturer would say "Oh, it's because of these third party parts" or even worse "you opened the bottom panel and that negates the warranty" and not touch the machine unless I replace the parts with the parts that shipped with it (sometimes impossible) or deny coverage all together because I "voided the warranty". I'm speaking from experience, you're speaking from your autism.
>Anecdotal.
Like your experience with Apple support?
>Others do, it's reported less
Proof?
>a higher standard in which you are clearly subconsciously holding them to
First, don't claim to know what's in my head, you smug little fuck. I've read Apple's training manuals and this type of "assertive suggestion" is one of their tactics. Second, there's nothing subconscious about it. I expect a $1500 laptop to work extremely well for many years. Macs do not meet this standard because they have dogshit build quality.
>I'm speaking from experience, you're speaking from your autism.
>>Anecdotal
Pot calls the kettle black.
You are not smart. You are not special. Apple products are bad and you should feel bad for using them. Fuck you and die, shill.
Fucking hell, Applefags #REKT
Kill yourself.
>Why are you not using a MBP yet /g
I literally do.
>I bought the thing fully expecting for it to become my primary machine, but 7 years later all i ever used it for was bedtime surfing and content consumption
Okay, what the shit? First of all, why would you buy a MBP w/o being aware of its inherent limitations in terms of hardware power? You can see the specs beforehand, you know. And second of all, it's been 7 (SEVEN) years - that's an eternity for laptops! Unless the costs of a laptop represents an substantial amount of money for you (which would be sad), there's absolutely no reason to keep a computer that long w/o some serious upgrades. In conclusion: don't blame the hardware for you poor planning.
Same goes for you:
>all of them are shit for doing any work
Unlike seven year old ThinkPads which are perfect for work, right?
Btw.: I'm not really using mine either (anymore) because I don't have any use for a laptop, period. But it's still in excellent condition because A.) I take care of my stuff, which doesn't translate to "handling it with kid gloves" mind you, and B.) the build quality IS really good - unless you drop it, of course. But the only way to make a laptop that absorbs drops w/o issues is to make it ugly and plasticy, which would be SO much worse as far as I'm concerned. Also, I haven't dropped ANY computers EVER except my phone (which survived w/o visible damage), so I'm confident that I the risk is manageable.
You're just poor and angry. Your usage of pepe tells me you're a basement dwelling NEET typing away on a broken down Thinkpad, angry at the people you see outside your shitty shack on their shiny luxury products you know you will never be able to afford. Sorry I triggered you so badly. Have a nice evening.
>appletards wanting actual productive members of society to kill themselves
No, you kill yourself, you stupid fucking piece of shit.
As I said to you before, I own a 2011 MBP. The "hue hue ur poor" argument doesn't mean anything because literally anyone can afford one of these pieces of shit. As I said before, you are not special. FYAD, loser.
>Unlike seven year old ThinkPads which are perfect for work, right?
Coincidently, we have a few ThinkPads (X61 to be precise) which are even older, but if they are to be used it'll be for running a local app server or something. Physically, though, they are in perfect condition. Macs have more visual defects than Thinkpads.
And, yeah, old Windows based PC work better than these Macs.
Mac OSX is so fucking bloated these days it stutters and lags even on brand new Retina Macbooks.
Meanwhile a Core 2 Duo piece of shit from 2007 runs Windows 10 smooth as butter and still continues to receive every single update.
I own a 2015 MBP. I got it new from BestBuy for 1,000. I plan on keeping this for years to come.
I have a late-2013. Best computer I owned. I used to own Toshibas and those things never lasted more than a year.
But i am using a 2011 MBP user
>Macs have more visual defects than Thinkpads.
Only if they've been treated badly. I own an X200s which, while still in very good condition, is nowhere near as nice as the MBP. Not to mention that the MBP still looks like a current computer while the ThinkPad looks old as fuck.
>Windows based PC work better than these Macs.
For what exactly?
Bull. Shit. You are doing something wrong. Sierra doesn't lag on my mid 2010 MBP or any of my Mac Minis.
>still continues to receive every single update.
'the fuck is that supposed to mean? As opposed to macOS? Because that's simply not true.
Because I'm using an iMac Retina 5k.
Only problem I have with it is the screen gets dirty VERY easily and is hard to clean. I'm stuck with all these weird smudges and I don't know how they even got there. Never had that problem with any monitor I've had before.
I've owned 3 thinkpads and now use a MacBook Air 11. We all know the thinkpads are made out of cheap plastic on the outside which becomes brittle over time and breaks off if you use the thinkpad long enough. One time, I was drunk and was sleeping on the top bunk of a bunk bed, and I pushed my T60 off when I fell asleep. It cracked on the point of impact on a wooden floor and the display connector inside got messed up, I had to deal with that until the screen eventually just turned white. The same thing happened to my MBA recently, albeit from a much lower height at just around 2 feet. I now have a smell dent on the upper right corner where my Air hit my tile floor, but there was no other damage.
The trackpoint also gets fucked up over time, since it's just a small simple stick that you control with a small piece of rubber. Meanwhile, the MacBook trackpads are made of strong glass on top and they are far more versatile.
If this all makes me a macfag then so be it. But an old ThinkPad cannot compare with a Macbook made out of real metal and has been taken care of.
1.) spray glass cleaner on screen
2.) clean with paper towels
3.) problem solved!
Pro tip: do this while the screen is still warm so the glass cleaner evaporates more quickly.
>'rugged build'
>'high quality components'
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>Only if they've been treated badly.
They were treated equally. Or even better, because of "muh macbooks" mentality.
>For what exactly?
Day to day use, Office apps, light development.
>Bull. Shit. You are doing something wrong. Sierra doesn't lag on my mid 2010 MBP or any of my Mac Minis.
He's right though. For modern OSX not to be slow as fuck on a mid-2010 MBP, you would have to do pretty much nothing on it. It'll probably be able to handle one, maybe two tabs in a browser but that's about it.
>fully integrated ecosystem
walled garden prison is a "feature" now I guess
also
>"rugged build"
>user:"Mine fucking bent you nigger"
>"UR FAULT U BENT IT CANT TAKE CARE OF YOUR THINGS HUH"
Oh, and also, they look stupid. They aren't particularly aesthetic at all. They look more like something thats trying very hard to adhere to a meme of "elegant, sophistcated aesthetic." Not something that actually does that look well in a practical or artistic way.
Neck yourself, shill.
>and has been taken care of.
(other user here) That's the real issue here, isn't it. All of my hardware, be it mice, keyboards, laptops, mp3 players, phones, and even game pads, is clean and in perfect working condition - no matter how old. But some people have really low standards when it comes to "taking care of shit" and won't understand that their abusive mannerisms are not what most hardware is supposed to take. It's one thing to buy self-proclaimed rugged hardware (like military grade laptops or "outdoor phones") but standard, non-specialised, hardware isn't build to survive drops or physical stress - some are better than others but you can't expect your laptop to withstand the same abuse a heavy-duty power tool would.
You forgot
4.) Months later after cleaning the anti-reflective layer on the LCD starts bubbling and peeling off due to "harsh chemicals" being used
To be honest, I am only now able to truly take care of my gadgets. When I first started really geeking out over shit I was a teenager. Now I'm in my 20s with a steady paycheck, and I have a full-time job so I'm busy and not always on my shit. I think my MBA is going to be the first laptop that I really keep for more than a couple of years. I really tried to do the same with my older ThinkPads but they all fell apart after about a year of my use. I work on my computer so that may also play a part in why they deteriorated quickly. But if I could have kept using them longer I would. This MacBook, my iPad, and iPhone, I bought all of them new. And so far they are showing no signs of getting old. Either they're better quality or I'm better at taking care of my things now.
you know thinkpads have trackpads too right?
try dropping your mba from the same height and see what happens lol
try replacing literally any component when it is worn out
ThinkPad trackpads? LOL
If you use a thinkpad and you actually prefer the trackpad just kill yourself. You're just grasping at straws man, give it up. The point of my post wasn't that the ThinkPad fell from that high and became broken. It's that the exterior is made out of plastic that falls apart after a long enough time.
Oh god, is that a common issue?
G O A L P O S T S = M O V E D
enjoy your soda can machine retard
honestly not sure why you're on a technology board, try , your intelligence seems better suited to but macbooks can't play games
>He's right though. For modern OSX not to be slow as fuck on a mid-2010 MBP, you would have to do pretty much nothing on it. It'll probably be able to handle one, maybe two tabs in a browser but that's about it.
Oh, get the fuck out. I'm using Macs since 2006 and that's just not true. Are you telling me I'm imagining things? "One, maybe two tabs"?!? that's such bullshit, even if you're exaggerating to make your point.
>Day to day use, Office apps, light development.
Again; bullshit. There's no difference to speak of when it comes to that in comparison to similar spec'd Windows laptops - if anything, Windows laptops are worse in my experience, albeit mostly due to user errors in most cases (if nothing else, macOS is much harder to mess up than Windows).
>They were treated equally. Or even better, because of "muh macbooks" mentality.
How would you even know how people treat their computers? And what the fuck kinda people are you working with that have "muh macbooks mentalities"? It's a goddamn laptop and people are dumbasses no matter what brand you give them.
You sound like the typical "I don't like Apple for ideological reasons but don't want to admit it so I look for "objective" justifications" kinda guy. You'll find "evidence" for everything if you look just hard enough contradictory proof be damned!
From grasping at straws to ad hominem
You honestly don't feel embarrassed? LOL
>anti-reflective layer
>iMac
Choose one. I've been doing this forever and I never had any issues - what the fuck kinda glass cleaner are you using!?
You may have an expanded battery. It could be a serious safety concern.
Open it up and inspect the battery, or get a professional to do it for you.
this couldn't just be a comfy macbook thread could it
It's Sup Forums, of course the autists aren't going to let people have opinions that disagree from them.
I had a mid 2010 15 inch MBP. As I recall it had a defect in the 'logic' board where the graphics chip would crap out anytime it was in use giving you a black screen until reset.
The OP is a shity viral advertisement and thats only more pathetic if hes doing it for free.
of course it couldn't
Why the fuck would Apple waste their time advertising here?
He might've moved the goal posts but ThinkPad trackpads are shit and you know it - so what if they work forever? And just FYI: how a laptop fares with drops is NOT a valid metric.
what dock is this?
Everytime I see a Thinkpad's trackpad I am convinced I made the right decision with a Macbook.
2008 was last one worth getting (end of replacable battery)