This is illegal in Europe. Why? What did guns every do to you?

This is illegal in Europe. Why? What did guns every do to you?

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'merica

its not illegal here

different strokes, different folks.

We never had vast prairie land without surveillance by the government, meaning we didn't rely on our guns for safety. Hence we don't own firearms.

Is it because they're black?

When you say "this" do you mean pistols or guns in general, because guns are legal, just not pistols.

How come Germany has lots of gun owners, but no weekly shootings? Yet America has em plenty?
Conclusion: yanks need professional help

Shoot me in the jaw and cost me 8 teeth

pistols are illegal in russia

you can only buy a shotgun if you're at least 18
and after five years of owning shotgun you can buy a rifle and it can be even SCAR or Barrett or all like this but they are pretty rare

>Barrett
>.416
Don't bullshit Sup Forums, comrade, a Barrett that's not in .50 BMG is not a Barrett.

>implying it´s illegal

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>we don't own firearms

>5,5 Millionen legale Schusswaffen gibt es in Deutschland, verteilt auf 1,45 Millionen Besitzer: Jäger, Sportschützen, Sammler oder Sicherheitsunternehmer.

guns aren't illegal, having a gun without the proper education is.

Gee, who knows?

>According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.

>The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other race/ethnicity.[41]

>According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness.[42]

my first gun was a Glock 17 that i bought with my summer job monies with 3500 finnish marks(or around 500-600 euros),it was 2000 or 99,cant remember

i still sometimes go to the shooting range and plink away with it,i dont use it for anything else since handgun hunting is forbidden here,but its somewhat therapeutic to shoot targets with it.

>What did guns ever do to you?
Well they havent shot me, that's for sure

>What did guns ever do to you?
Nothing. Which is a good thing considering that shouting people is America's national sport.

see

I still find it interesting that all forms of Hispanic people are considered "white" on government crime statistics in an effort to mask the fact that black crime rates are literally several times higher than any other race in the country.

Even when you combine typically poor hispanics with with the white majority the blacks STILL kill each other more. Don't see why they try to hide factual statistical evidence like that, they earned it.

Yeah melanin gives you bad attitude, don't stay in the sun kids.

It's fucking socio-economic problems, and they should work on it.

It's strictly a social issue at this point. They have a ridiculous amount of opportunities handed to them throughout their lives but a lot of them would still just rather drop out of school, live in shit housing projects, and sell drugs for very little money for the rest of their lives.

They'll make $400 cutting and reselling some already shit quality cocaine and think they're set for life.

>Rushton & Jensen (2005) wrote that, in the United States, self-identified blacks and whites have been the subjects of the greatest number of studies. They stated that the black-white IQ difference is about 15 to 18 points or 1 to 1.1 standard deviations (SDs), which implies that between 11 and 16 percent of the black population have an IQ above 100 (the general population median). According to Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton the black-white IQ difference is largest on those components of IQ tests that are claimed best to represent the general intelligence factor g.[46] The 1996 APA report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" and the 1994 editorial statement "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" gave more or less similar estimates.[47][48] Roth et al. (2001), in a review of the results of a total of 6,246,729 participants on other tests of cognitive ability or aptitude, found a difference in mean IQ scores between blacks and whites of 1.1 SD. Consistent results were found for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic Aptitude Test (N = 2.4 million) and Graduate Record Examination (N = 2.3 million), as well as for tests of job applicants in corporate sections (N = 0.5 million) and in the military (N = 0.4 million).[49]

Scientists claim the average african american has an IQ of about 85.

because communists rules over europe

It's not illegal but you already knew that

This is illegal in the US. What did chocolate ever do to you?

>less guns = green
>more guns = red

Totally unbiased :^)

Alright. The average African American has a lower IQ than the average white, non Hispanic American. A white man can lose memory, become more dumb or more smart...
IQ, just as a person itself, our memories, views on life, fucking body cells, are changing, transforming. You say this as it is definitive. As there is no cure. We should just give up on people because these studies show "X". It's not a deadly virus, or terminal disease.

No matter how much you attribute IQ to races, it's largely a socio-economic component, and abandoning people because of these studies is deepening the problem. It's a self-serving solution. Basically a pat on your own shoulder

>greener countries = worse countries

>No matter how much you attribute IQ to races, it's largely a socio-economic component

IQ is mainly inherited and strongly correlated with violent behaviour and general success in life.

But my main point is that it has nothing to do with americans as a whole group or american gun laws. Non-hispanic white americans have a lower murder rate than norway. But people see these inflated murder rates of the US as a whole and make assumptions. Then they start blaming american gun laws and use this as an argument to further disarm european countries.

>We don`t want american conditions!
is a common phrase used by germans who hate freedom.

We had some Schoolshottings in the past:


Amoklauf von Eching und Freising, Februar 2002
Amoklauf von Erfurt, April 2002
Amoklauf von Coburg, Juli 2003[50]
Amoklauf von Emsdetten, November 2006
Amoklauf von Winnenden, März 2009
Amoklauf von Ansbach, September 2009

Freising, Polish-German Adam Labus
Weapon: Tokarev TT-33
Casualties: 3 + Himself

Erfurt, Robert Steinhäuser
Weapons: Glock 17, Mossberg 590
Casualties: 16 + Himsel

you forgot the sick asshole in the 60:s who attacked a school with a homemade flamethrower and a spear

The inherited component is inheritable as are facial features. Great part of our life is conditioned by our surrounding. A desert creates another desert or influences rich soil to become arid/steppe. It's no surprise a violent surroundings give birth to violent people.It takes effort to get the people out of there. America needs to give a chance to black people. The current system of a special baby seat with protection at the table and spoonfeeding doesn't work
One of the steps is to stop importing Mexicans and employ black people. Mexicans are squeezing everyone out of manual jobs

The crackdown comes from the bottom. First, they flood the manual labour, few generations in, their children flood high paying jobs, academoc positions. White Americans with a degree believe they are immune to these changes just because they don't work wood or bend steel. They're in for a surprise

>last rampage is 7 years ago
>it wasn´t even a shooting
>noone died

m8

Volkhoven,
It's a little different. The dude was 42.
It's technically a school shooting but motivation and background are very different.

Y-yeah they're just like us, it's only skin colour that's different.

I don´t want to get into this topic.

But as a matter of fact american murder rates are caused by a very specific group of people, that does not exist in europe. Their murder rates can thus not be compared to europe in any meaningful way.

High murder rates in the US are therfore not an argument against less restrictive gun laws in europe. This is my entire point.

Coburg, Name not public
Weapon: Can't find a source
Casualties: none + Himself

Emsdetten, Sebastian B. (known online as: ResistantX and R_fuckin'_X)
Weapon: Exact weapons not mentiones but it was a pistole a riffle and pipe bombs
Casualties: several injured, no dead + Himself

I'm a parachuter who didn't fill in on your gun laws positiob but IQ determinist nonsense.
As far as gun laws go, the "hood" needs to be disarmed. Zones where guns are not allowed and policing is tougher. The projects and all similar environments, since most murders involve the black population

Winnenden, Tim Kretschmer (17)
Weapon: Baretta 92
Casualties: 15 + Himself

Ansbach, Georg R.
Weapon: Axe, Molotoc Cocktails
Casualties: 2 heavy injuries (survived with disabilites), minor injured 8 + himself

Is this true?

What could possibly go wrong? :^)

>american murder rates are caused by a very specific group of people, that does not exist in europe. Their murder rates can thus not be compared to europe in any meaningful way
States like West Virginia average a homicide 7-8 times higher than countries like Switzerland and Norway, and was 92.8% non-Hispanic white in 2012, whiter than both aforementioned countries are today. There are several other states with similar demographics, yet two, three, four and five times the murder rates of European countries with a high gun ownership rate.

Excluding the only mass shooting to take place on Norwegian soil since WWII, we had 37 gun murders in the years 2006 to 2014. West Virginia with roughly 35% our population, had an average of 34.6 murders per year in the same nine years. 311 vs 37 total. Adjusted for population, we would need 879 firearm murders in the same time span to match their rate.

40 vs 8 in 2006
37 vs 2 in 2007
33 vs 3 in 2008
38 vs 8in 2009
27 vs 3 in 2010
43 vs 4 in 2011
47 vs 3 in 2012
30 vs 2 in 2013
16 vs 4in 2014
?? vs 4 in 2015

What is their excuse?

>Non-hispanic white americans have a lower murder rate than norway.
Absolutely false.

We had 23 murders in total in 2015, 27 in 2014, not even New Hampshire is anywhere near our rate with their 0.9 in 2014. The second closest was Vermin with 1.6, over three times our rate, and much whiter.

>Vermin
Vermont*

literally don't go walking in the city past 9pm

>We never had vast prairie land without surveillance by the government, meaning we didn't rely on our guns for safety. Hence we don't own firearms.
We have no firearms because we let socialists cuck us after WW1. Gun control was non-existent in Europe prior to the 1900s, and bearing arms for one's defense was considered legitimate and lawful.

>Conclusion: yanks need professional help
Conclusion: black and latino criminals need help.

Fixed that for you.

>inb4 school shooters
Insignificant.

>that graph
The correct figure for Finland is ~30/100, not 45. A retarded swiss research team pulled an assumed 1m+ illegal arms out of their arse.

>IQ, just as a person itself, our memories, views on life, fucking body cells, are changing, transforming.
IQ doesn't develop during adulthood.
>It's not a deadly virus, or terminal disease.
I'd say that a subpar IQ (No matter how much you attribute IQ to races, it's largely a socio-economic component
Intelligence is highly heritable.

ask the people at the french magazine or in the belgium airport (or w/e) how well making guns illegal worked for them

after the resurrection that is

in Europe you have to pass a bunch of tests, there's waiting times and you might have to be member of a shooting club

That finn on Youtube who shot up a school did go through all that to get a .22 but perhaps a lot of people change their minds by then

>I'm a parachuter who didn't fill in on your gun laws positiob but IQ determinist nonsense.
Infantry aren't known for their brigthness. You seem to be a living example of a meathead rifleman.
>As far as gun laws go, the "hood" needs to be disarmed.
There's only one problem with that mentality: soon enough, you'll want to disarm more people, and eventually, the state will disarm you.

Also, the "hood" has already been disarmed.
>Zones where guns are not allowed and policing is tougher.
Laws don't stop criminals, genius. Chicago gangsters don't murder with legal weapons.
> The projects and all similar environments, since most murders involve the black population
And you want to tackle this by doing what? Removing their non-existent legal arms and wasting more police resources?

binlan what the fug? /:DDDD

>tfw you had lax funz laws until a commie tried to spark a revolution in 1918, failed miserably and provoked the government into banning funz.

>There are several other states with similar demographics, yet two, three, four and five times the murder rates of European countries with a high gun ownership rate.
The cherrypicking works against you, too. Wyoming, Vermont and New Hampshire are examples of very peaceful states with very liberal gun laws.

>What is their excuse?
I'm guessing it's a rights-based view of firearm ownership. Whilst you practice selective, arbitrary utilitarianism (firearms homicides aren't even as dangerous as cars, statistically speaking), they use reason to justify the right to bear arms as a natural extension of the right to self defense.

tl;dr: you want strict gun control on grounds of ideology, even though you might not admit it.

>That finn on Youtube who shot up a school did go through all that to get a .22
The law was much laxer back then. He didn't need to wait 2 years for his .22.
>but perhaps a lot of people change their minds by then
The public are easily misled and manipulated. Researchers and firearms-related associations strongly criticized the new firearms law of 2011, but were of course ignored in favor of sensationalist strong-arming. The result? Nothing changed, with one exception: aquiring a legal pistol or semi-automatic rifle is now harder than ever before.

I don't advocate strict gun laws, I'm claiming USA overall is a violent country, with or without guns, which shouldn't come as any surprise.

I specifically named Vermont and New Hampshire in the post below, and Wyoming has a population density of 2.31/km2, only higher than Alaska, and is not representative for most states at all. Either way it had a homicide rate of 2.7 in 2014, almost five times that of Switzerland, Norway and many other European countries.

Is it really that hard? Here a semi-automatic hunting rifle isn't that hard and a pistol needs you to be a member of a shooting club for about a year and go shooting there a few times

I mean it takes a lot less money and time than a driver's license

abc7chicago.com/news/4-dead-48-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shootings/1362210/
4 dead, 48 wounded in Memorial Day weekend shootings

>shiggitygiggity

Around what your or era did Europe start to have strict gun laws?

its the 8%

>I don't advocate strict gun laws, I'm claiming USA overall is a violent country, with or without guns, which shouldn't come as any surprise.
That's only true when you cherrypick the most violent state and compare it to the least violent states. Remove blacks and latinos from the equation, and you'll realize that the US is just as safe as western Europe.

> and is not representative for most states at all.
Why not? Who are you to decide what cherrypicking best describes reality?
>Either way it had a homicide rate of 2.7 in 2014, almost five times that of Switzerland, Norway and many other European countries.
Vermont did not have a homicide rate of 2.7 in 2014. You're pulling numbers out of your ass.

> Here a semi-automatic hunting rifle isn't that hard
I don't think you understand swedish gun law very well. Semi-autos for hunting aren't readily available to you.
>I mean it takes a lot less money and time than a driver's license
Driver's license training doesn't last for a year (or two, for that matter, which is the required membership time to aquire a handgun here) and you don't need a license to own a car, only to operate it on public roads. Your analogy doesn't work.

>chicago
>draconian gun laws
>niggers shooting latinos and eachother cause nearly all gun-related deaths
Shiggitygiggity indeed.

1997. Thanks, EU.

>last shooting 7 years ago
>compared to dayssincethelastmassshooting.com/

In the 1930's we got the first gun license requirements as more of the public started getting their hands on firearms. Gun laws were the most strict in the 70's

>Semi-autos for hunting aren't readily available to you.
Depends what you mean by readily available. My father has one and my friend has one so it's not that hard

The retarded law is that they have to look like hunting rifles

After WWI is when gun control began in Europe.
Their governments started implementing gun control out of fear of their own citizens given the tumultuous political environment of that time period.
Only fairly recently have things gotten really strict, and again it has nothing to do with the homicide rate.
It had nothing to do with crime or any of that but political factions fearing one another.

>mass shooting
>literally any shooting with 3 or more injured people involved
>Gun laws were the most strict in the 70's
The fuck they were. Your gun laws were lax up until the 1990s.

>Depends what you mean by readily available.
"Readily available" means not having to aquire a small arsenal of bolt-action rifles before eventually being granted a semi-auto license.

>My father has one and my friend has one so it's not that hard
This is retard logic. I guess you know someone with an old k-pist too; does that mean it's easy to aquire one legally these days?

Reading comprehension, my man, Wyoming had a homicide rate of 2.7. It's so desolate that it's like comparing Svalbard's gun violence to New York''s.

You're free to use whatever examples you like, but it's objectively a silly way to go about doing it.

Vermont (once again, like mentioned above) had a homicide rate of 1.6, compared to 0.5 here and in Switzerland, over three times higher in other words. The gun murder rate is natutally much higher in most states, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you all the numbers.

>That's only true when you cherrypick the most violent state and compare it to the least violent states. Remove blacks and latinos from the equation, and you'll realize that the US is just as safe as western Europe.
Like I've said multiple times, I've only drawn the comparisons between states with high percentages of non-Hispanic whites, and no states are anywhere near Europe's average. You can find the statistics yourself if you're actually interested in fact checking before spewing false claims.

Norway had a gun murder rate of 0.1 in 2012, whiter states like Maine (94.1% non-Hispanic white in 2012), had a rate of 0.8 in 2010 (latest available numbers on Wikipedia). Eight times higher.

Pistols are legal too. It's just the UK that has insane rules.

Fun fact is fear of leftist revolution was a valid reason to get a gun license in that period so the government tried to keep guns from communists and among conservatives

>Your gun laws were lax up until the 1990s.
No, they were not. They've been more or less strict the entire century

>does that mean it's easy to aquire one legally these days?
I never said it was "easy". I said it wasn't that hard and it really isn't which is apparent because many people I know who applied for it have obtained it

The law literally says that semi-automatic rifles for hunting is allowed as long as they look conventional. Meaning no AR-15s and similar stuff

>Vermont (once again, like mentioned above) had a homicide rate of 1.6, compared to 0.5 here and in Switzerland, over three times higher in other words. The gun murder rate is natutally much higher in most states, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you all the numbers.
>gun murder rate
That "murder" rate includes suicides, just so you know.
>Like I've said multiple times, I've only drawn the comparisons between states with high percentages of non-Hispanic whites, and no states are anywhere near Europe's average.
Norway and your false swiss number (their homicide rate is nowhere near as low as 0.5, more like 1.5-2.0) do not represent Europe's average.

>Norway had a gun murder rate of 0.1 in 2012, whiter states like Maine (94.1% non-Hispanic white in 2012), had a rate of 0.8 in 2010 (latest available numbers on Wikipedia). Eight times higher.
>Eight times higher.
I beg you to ask yourself this: why do you keep pointing out "x is y times higher than z", when in reality you're spewing the same bullshit as news articles posting articles titled "passive smoke inhalation for a minute a day increases your cancer risk by 300%!"; you conflate percentages with absolute numbers and, for some reason, single out firearms homicide even though alcohol, tobacco and cars cause orders of magnitude more deaths a year.


tl;dr: gun control is a purely political matter.

1920s because the Commies were crying revolution everywhere. Guns are the weapons of the revolution(the papers discussing the law stated this), so they were heavily regulated.. Fear of a popular uprising.

Fucking commies ruining it for everybody.

>No, they were not. They've been more or less strict the entire century
You could post-order a revolver for many years post-WW2, and submachine guns/assault rifles were relatively easy to aquire. Pistols were available without one-year waiting periods. I could go on.

>The law literally says that semi-automatic rifles for hunting is allowed as long as they look conventional.
Your local policeman who handles these affairs, however, does not know what the law says about most things. Hence, he will delay your application as long as he can, out of spite (armed civilians are a threat to the boner he gets from being a henchman of the state) and/or ignorance.

No, that rate does not include suicides, just so you know. It's specifically for gun murders. US gun suicide rate was 6.69 in 2014.

Switzerland had 41 homicides in 2014, and a homicide rate of 0.497 according to their official statistics website. Europe's average rate is lower than 49 of the 50 states as of latest update.

pure conjecture

Le evil police does a pretty shitty job if there are 2 million firearms over 10 million people and that the number is increasing

these eunuchs will never understand true freedom man

it's not illegal.
Why do you think so?

>Le evil police does a pretty shitty job if there are 2 million firearms over 10 million people and that the number is increasing
Swedish police are now refusing to hand out licences for semi-auto rifles, because the EU "might" ban them in the future. Google it.

PS. Anders Ygeman driver en vapenpolitisk linje som står i direkt motsats till regeringens och riksdagens dito.

>it's not illegal.
You're right. It's only illegal until you beg for the government to grant you the privilege of owning a gun.

>mfw self-defense outside of the home is effectively banned in all European countries except Estonia, the Czech Republic and Bosnia.
I WANT OUT

I Googled it and I found nothing. I seriously doubt the EU law will pass here anyway, too many people and politicians are against it

I found now that a month ago the EU had to revoke the 2015 regulation due to opposition so it's already failed. I doubt the next proposition will pass either

>>mfw self-defense outside of the home is effectively banned in all European countries except Estonia, the Czech Republic and Bosnia.

Not banned in NL. But you can't carry a gun... You can use an illegal one, but you'll get probation or community service for possesion of an illegal weapon. Doesn't affect claim to self defense though. You may defend yourself, you're just not allowed to prepare. T-thanks leaders. (pepperspray and stuff is illegal too btw)

>What did guns every do to you?
While i was in military draft, i clamped my fingers in the receiver of my pistol while cleaning it. It hurt quite bad.

keep those fingers out, that pain is your reminder

>I Googled it and I found nothing.
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>I seriously doubt the EU law will pass here anyway, too many people and politicians are against it
Hunters are a minority. You will lose the fight if you let them inch away at your privilege.

The guns never did anything to us over here. The people who owned them did however, shoot up schools, commit murders, used them for armed robberies and shot kids.

Very soon, a pattern emerged, in that when people get pissed off and they own a gun, they tend to be assholes and shoot folk, rather than stab them or whatever.

So, in some European countries they tightened the rules and put heavy prison sentences in place for anyone, including ex-armed forces (including ex-special ops and even commandos) who had guns and or gun parts.

Before a firearm can be owned, a license and background check need to be carried out and a genuine reason for firearm ownership needs to be given (i.e farmer protecting livestock). This sorta works.

>Not banned in NL. But you can't carry a gun
That's what "effectively banned" means.

>You may defend yourself, you're just not allowed to prepare
In practice, this means that you can't defend yourself in a safe manner. Running away is the only option, unless the aggressor has a gun, in which case you're fucked.

Cz is sexy

Literally none of those articles supports anything you've said. You're talking about speculations and propositions from the EU as if it's current law

You've backpedaled from semi-automatics being impossible to get, to a conspiracy theroy of police not giving out licenses now a future hypothetical ban

You can use 'weapons of opportunity' which means you can use anything available to you when in danger. You can get creative (canes, pocket knives, a shovel), but it isn't ideal.

> The people who owned them did however, shoot up schools, commit murders, used them for armed robberies and shot kids.
Please. Booze, cigs and cars kill far more people yearly. Where's your crusade against those things?

Also, murderers and robbers didn't use legal firearms.

>Very soon, a pattern emerged, in that when people get pissed off and they own a gun, they tend to be assholes and shoot folk, rather than stab them or whatever.
Lies. Back in the Victorian era and pre-WW1 to the late 1920s, keeping and bearing arms was constitutionally protected under the English Bill of Rights 1689. This was also a much more peaceful era than post WW2-era Britain.

>So, in some European countries they tightened the rules and put heavy prison sentences in place for anyone, including ex-armed forces (including ex-special ops and even commandos) who had guns and or gun parts.
The laws were tightened because of fears of communist uprisings. Gun politics never had anything to do with human suffering; it's a tool of control.

>This sorta works.
Yes, until the government takes away that last small privilege of yours.

PS. Bearing arms was an English right for nearly 300 years. It didn't seem to be much of a problem back then, why would it be a problem now? Keep in mind that humans haven't changed at all during this time - our base nature is still just as brutish and reckless as it ever was.

>Literally none of those articles supports anything you've said.
Polisen nekar licenser för semi-automater med hänvisning till möjlig framtida EU-lag. Kan du inte läsa?

>You've backpedaled from semi-automatics being impossible to get
I said that they were hard to get. I don't backpeddle, but you do use strawmen.

>to a conspiracy theroy of police not giving out licenses now a future hypothetical ban
Dagensjuridik is neither /x/ nor Sup Forums, you buffoon.

>Booze, cigs and cars:
You're generalising too much. Nobody ever went into a primary school gym class in the UK with a pack of cigs and committed murder using nicotine as their general weapon of choice. Same applies to cars, oh, and booze as well. These are more of a tool used in hit-n-runs or in the case of bottles and cigs, torture and maiming, where there is less chance of killing a scores of people outright.

As for murderers and robbers, well, when a Ph.D student (armed robber) walks into a crowded bookmakers with a fake gun and gets his ass kicked for trying to rob the place and then gets put in the clink for 6 years, can you tell me if he deserved it? Even if it were for his stupidity, damn right he deserved it. Good ol' gun laws, nothing should get in the way of my gambling addiction, ever! EVER!

>>The laws were tightened because of fears of communist uprisings, gun politics, English Bill of Rights 1689 etc.
In the recent past, in certain parts of the UK the law concerning firearms has changed quite a bit throughout the past 350 years. That's the thing about law - sometimes it's just dumb, so it needs updated & reworked. Like burning witches, I mean, c'mon. So, some parts of the UK, (cuz y'know it's not just English litigation processes that are used), ban firearms and air-rifles unless background and medical checks are done first. The law is there to make it fairer for everybody, even the parents of dead kids who are used as target practise for bored alky's and manic depressives who decide that one day it would be a great idea to commit cold blooded murder.

Personally, if the gun controls weren't as tight as they are over here, I'd either have been shot or would have killed a few assholes on my own.

Good ol' gun controls.

fuck yeah

>You're generalising too much.
Not at all.
> Nobody ever went into a primary school gym class in the UK with a pack of cigs and committed murder using nicotine as their general weapon of choice.
Knives are the tool of choice for many violent Brits. Where's the knife ban?
>These are more of a tool used in hit-n-runs or in the case of bottles and cigs, torture and maiming, where there is less chance of killing a scores of people outright.
None of that matters. You argue from a "less deaths"-standpoint.

>As for murderers and robbers, well, when a Ph.D student (armed robber) walks into a crowded bookmakers with a fake gun and gets his ass kicked for trying to rob the place and then gets put in the clink for 6 years, can you tell me if he deserved it?
Yes, he deserved it, just as an armed thug deserves to get shot by his CC:ing victim.

> That's the thing about law - sometimes it's just dumb, so it needs updated & reworked. Like burning witches, I mean, c'mon.
>actually comparing gun rights to burning witches
Witches didn't exist. Humanity is still a violent species, however, and because of this, every man has a right to defend himself from those willing to do him harm.

> The law is there to make it fairer for everybody,
The law is only fair to the criminal, who (thanks to the law) always has the upper hand in any confrontation.

>Personally, if the gun controls weren't as tight as they are over here, I'd either have been shot or would have killed a few assholes on my own.
>Good ol' gun controls.
Should've known you're a troll.

Pistols aren't legal at all in the UK under any circumstances

I know. I was pointing out the EU is larger than the United Kingdom of Ban Fucking Everything.

fat 'muricunt brats started wating the whole thing and choked on the toy, kek.

- MFW I have 10 guns at age 8
- MFW little "FROZEN" merchandise kills me because I cba to unwrap my food properly