Is the 1700 the cheapest processor that is good for heavy software...

Is the 1700 the cheapest processor that is good for heavy software? I am pretty sure my PC is dying soon and i will need to upgrade, problem is i didn't realize it until its not coming and i don't have too much cash for it near me.

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That thing is complete poo, don't waste your money

If by "Heavy software" you mean heavily multithreaded workloads, then yes. If you need single threaded performance, go Intel.

Problem is cheapest 6 core Intel processor is expensive as fuck + their mobos are for some reason expensive too

Yee... After effects and C4D is the shit i use a lot and CPU helps quite a lot there (GPU too ofc)

Go ahead and compare the prices, they're not that different apart.
>1700 is $370
>6800k is $400

Even if the x99 board is a bit more expensive, you get quad channel memory and it's a lot more stable too.

Isn't the 6800k actually a lot weaker than the 1700/1800 in workstation shit tho.

The 1700 still overtakes the 6800K by ~30% in multicore. Quad channel is rarely worth it. cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6800K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3607vs3917

The 6900k can't keep up with Ryzen, much less the 6 core.

retard shill alert

nice argument

>stable

You can get a 1700 for $289 dumbfuck

>More stable
Citation needed.

Also most people don't need quad channel either. Especially for daily tasks

>More stable
Maybe this is what he meant? legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

1700 is $325 and comes with a cooler
Also, it dominates the 6800 in multitasking.

>Actually reccomending Intel's overpriced, overheating, underperforming "Enthusiast" platform

This is advanced shilling.

Thirsty for (you)s, aren't you, faggot?

1600x rolls right off the tongue

Why reccomend the R7 Xs at all man? They arent worth it unless you absolutely need that last 150ghz on your overclock the 1700 and 1600 come with a dam good stock cooler, are cheaper, and overclock almost aswell (within 100ghz) as their X counterparts.

I got a 1700 and OCed it on barely above stock voltages (1.2) to 3.5 all core. I could get another 200ghz out of the stock cooler easy. Shit is 100% pure value.

you know intel is fucked when someone claims a $400 intel cpu is better than a $370 amd one and all 8 persons replying to him tell him to fuck off

oced vs oced pretty sure 6900k will win in more tasks
but price difference makes the gains not worth it

it's a nice timeline, isn't it.

and I'm not being an AMD fanboy, i go for the best product for the price. And AMD having a blow at Intel sure makes me hope for better products at lower price.

It has the same overclocking problem as Ryzen, it gets some 100-200MHz tops more than it, but uses insane amounts of power for probably no more than 5% performance extra.

Not really worth it.

no shit, things over a fucking grand
only people like rich youtubers and insane people bought them
everyone else went xeons for high cores and threads

Ryzen 5 1600, but 1700 has also pretty good value.

I got the 1700 for better multithreading, and I happened to win the silicon lottery with one that could go 4.0 ghz
it was a used like new on amazon too

yes

>$400 Intel CPU
>$370 AMD CPU

It's actually more like $388 for Intel and $316 for AMD. And that's before you factor in a cooler, more expensive mobo, etc. pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/3kPzK8,Td98TW/

>ryzen 1700
>hyperthreading: no
nice website right there

6800k can oc to 4.3ghz whereas 1700 can't overclock for shit

What a lovely housefire.

Rich coming from 250watt rajeetx 580

Clockfags should be rounded up.

>CPUs are GPUs
Wow. Really makes me think.

>IMG_xxxx.png
Oh god, it's him. Everyone panic.

Dust don't reply to him.

Is there even a single use case where an OC'd 1700 doesn't shit all over an OC'd 6800k? Like, even one?

Stupid poojet, 6900k hits 4.3ghz whereas 1800x can at most hit 4.0 whilst smelling of poo

>w-wow, r7 1700 can only clock to 4GHz on all 8 cores
i've actually seen some retard on /r/intel actually say "i'm not sure if i should get a ryzen because of the low max clocks" just like you did, as if clocking at 4GHz on 8 cores for a whole new arch near intel ipc in 2017 wasn't impressive or anything

6800k shits on top of the poo line 1800x

Don't even bother replying, he's just a dumbass troll that shows up in literally every one of these threads spamming "OC" and "POO POO POO" until mods get off their ass and take care of him.

4ghz is shit in 2017, intel has been hitting over 4ghz on 8 cores for years now

Noted.

buy it.. running my 1700 on 3,7ghz at 1,3vcore on wraith spire led cooler easily and i have a mediocre binning

Pathetic

>muh games

do a cpu-z bench maybe and show me

>ipc is less important than muh ghz

Buy used. A Xeon E3 is less than 100 US, and the registered RAM to go with it crazy cheap too.

where's your source though

What's the point of this dick waving? What's with that pro darkness theme? Are you literally 13 years old? Who paid for this?

Sup Forums really attracts the shittiest demographics, on either side of the meme bandwagons, AMD, Intel or Nvidia

Hail mods.

MODS!?

Mods = Gods

Holy shit, they actually did something about that piece of shit!

For how long? Standard practice should be to mass report him.

When fx was released everyone was also screaming how intel is done for, how fx is great in gaming, how it just lags a little behind intel in gayming but wins in everything else. Same stories about
>4 cores in 2013 lul fx is 8 cores for real men

So, where is fx now? a fucking disgrace, while sandy bridge is still kicking. Same will happen with Ryzen. The history just repeats itself.

Denial? Sounds like denial.

Def. Denial

You can call it whatever you want but you can't prove me wrong. It was the same hype. The same arguments were used - more cores, better work performance, similar gaming performance, future prove, etc.
History is there to learn from it. If Ryzen case is different - good. But at that time everyone claimed fx to be the same, as people claim ryzen to be now.

>i can't compared CPU designs
Okay.

The difference is FX lost to Sandy on both single and multicore. It was a complete shitshow. They lost on every level.

Ryzen looks to be within spitting distance in single core, and wrecks shit in multicore.

JIM KELLER DOES IT AGAIN
GOD BLESS THE CERTIFIED SHIT WRECKER

>Ryzen looks to be within spitting distance in single core
It's better in single core when it's 4 complex decoders are put to use.
Not it's time for King Poojeet to produce something good.

Soon(tm)

Considering Fiji was a technical experiment at best, same frontend as chips half its size but twice the ALUs(

They literally developed frondend from scratch for Vega. Also tiled rasterisation and other neat power saving features.

>mods banned 1 (ONE) shitposting faggot and discussion suddently turned good
Whoa. Really makes you think.

Speaking of Tiled Rasterization, didn't ATi's Imageon from like 2002 have it? AMD sold it to Qualcomm years ago and it's now Adreno, even the x360 Xeons had it!

AMD has been sitting on TBR for so many years I have no clue why they didn't implement it yet in the PC market.
Might have to do with the L2 cache, associative ROP to L2 cache was possibly not a intended feature of early GCN and without that TBR is pretty difficult.

Here's AMD's slide:

amd-dev.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/media/2012/10/gdc2008_ribble_maurice_TileBasedGpus.pdf

Check page 12.

it does.. and when you consider all the other threads he tried to mess with..

it probably is some kind of attention anxiety this guy is having.

PowerVR had tiled rasterisation even earlier.

I know, they invented it in 1996 or something.

I have a 1700, it's a good cpu, but bios support is still meh. Got an Asrock x370 killer, the taichi was price gouged to hell and back here in yurop, 260 socialist ration stamps for that shit.

If you are ready to be an early adopter, go for it. Worth it tho, my opinion.

>Asrock x370 killer
I'd go for x370 Prime then.

>Not it's time for King Poojeet to produce something good.
Waiting on those APUs.

>Zen+Vega APU
Literally the best thing for HTPC box ever created. You can even play some fucking VIDEO GAMES on it.

pic related

even though i got the msi b350m gaming pro

the latest bios update fkd my fan controls irreversible and i don't wanna flash back

also i get prey for free which is nice

The bios got an update and seems much better now, but I think the XFR boost doesn't work? Maybe linux just doesn't show that, I don't know. A lot of features were missing on the old version, now it got the whole package, all the overclocking options and cpu options, iommu and stuff. Would still recommend, especially because it updates the bios itself over a lan connection if you tell it to, no flashing yourself.

the main problem is that xfr and sensemi can't be monitored through software because it happens in the chip

There's no software out there that can read clock frequency of Ryzen in real time yet, so don't bother looking.

> motherboard goes up in smoke

This will also happen with AMD motherboards.

I can tell you this from experience.

My Athlon XP suited me fine. I loved that CPU and I loved that system so I kept it for years and years.

One day I turned it on and I heard a poof and it turned off again and when I immediately opened it up smoke was emanating from the motherboard. On close-up inspection later it appeared that a capacitor had burst. Perhaps it had been used daily 5 years, perhaps 4 or 6. Don't remember what motherboard, not sure which Athlon XP, just sure it was Athlon XP and DDR1 RAM.

I see, but the cores never go above 3 Ghz, even if I stress one core to 100% and leave the rest at nearly zero. The 3.7 Ghz turbo thing doesn't work either. Do I need to change some setting for that? The boost something something setting in the bios is activated.

the 3,7 ghz turbo mode works. but only on 2 threads at once. still software like hwmonitor struggles with identifying those bursts

I'm pretty sure turbo is working, else the plethora of linux benchmarks where it demolishes both high core Xeons and 6900k wouldn't be a thing.

If it wasn't working, which I don't think is the case, Intel would be in far deeper shit than I thoguht

I stress a single thread, and then do a cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz, and it only ever shows me something between 1.5 and 3. Anyone knows if that is right, that linux just can't see it? I don't have a windows installation on here that works, my windows 7 is bricked because no usb support for us goyim that don't update to win 10.

Unless your motherboard is fucked, your turbo is working as expected, don't sweat it.

Nice, I will report when I set up a windows 10 vm and look at the clocks there though. Don't trust that shit to run on bare metal.

I tell you: /proc/cpuinfo will NOT give you the true story, not for Intel and not for AMD. NO. It will LIE TO YOU about boost modes.

I realize this is a total scandal but it is a present fact that we have to deal with.

What you want to do is to check

cpupower monitor

or more useful,

watch cpupower monitor

This will tell you the true boosts speeds that your CPU is currently running at.

Can't find the damn package on ubuntu, do I really have to compile from source? What is it called? Google isn't very helpful, tells me to just install some bloat package of generic linux tools.

Ain't that powertop?

Anyhow, I don't think it was updated for Zen yet

Powertop still tells me it's either 3, 2.71 or 1.55 Ghz.

Do a quick bench, save the score.
Go into BIOS, put the P0 and P1 pstate to something like 3.9GHz, basically raising your single core Turbo by 200MHz

Bench again, if the score doesn't change, your mobo is fucked.

On Fedora it's in a package called kernel-tools.

I believe it's "linux-tools" on Ubuntu.

The pstates are all on auto, do I have to configure that myself? Thought that would work by itself.

That's still a generic motherboard used for 5 years every day vs. a brand new very expensive "enthusiast" motherboard that destroyed both the CPU and motherboard after a few days.

Yeah, but the point is to increase the performance P-state(0 and 1) over the auto values (3.7GHz)

You didn't answer the question. Multi thread go amd, single thread go Intel. Pretty fucking simple.

We'll see. Raven Ridge is still 100% guaranteed to be stuck on DDR4, and a Zeppelin+Vega11 MCM is gonna be prices stupidly high because muh enterprise.

Oh boy, cpupower is nice, the boost does work, I get 3.6-3.7 on the core at full load. Nice, thanks a lot.

While I'm at it, any good way to read out ryzen temperatures on linux? Can't find anything good.

I can only hope lm-sensors has been updated, because I know no other way.

Yeah, just shows how much Intel was fucking you.