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Geopolitics edition

Invited: all of the /balk/ans (with effendi as a special guest)+diaspora

Not invited:shitposters

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1st for Cro.

>provincials

Balkan Union when

>And who would've forced you to accept them?

Nobody. ireland blocked the Lisbon treaty by itself and only after numerous concessions did they agree to pass it. If a nation rejects a treaty from the EU, they can either be persuaded by concessions or they can't.

No European law can pass through a country without the country's express agreement.

where's us u fagslut

catholics not invited

I asked who would've forced you to accept unfavorable Russian deals.
>No European law can pass through a country without the country's express agreement.
And your economy is dependent on the EU and if you do not pass the laws approved by Bruxelles you will be coerced through sanctions.

Also, in case you don't realize, the end goal of the EU is federalization, federalization which you will not be able to refuse thanks to both previous treaties and economic dependency.

that's like saying whites not invited

Why do you want to be a wannabe Slovenian instead of a proper Serb, ujko?

stop inviting mudslime cuckroaches

serbs r our bitches

you can have a union with albania, bosnia, slovenia and italia

who are u to make terms u debtous monkey shit l o l

Cuti, cuti ujko!

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>t.dalmatian gayboi

>t. turkogreeco malaka

do you think serbs still taste Tito's monster cro-cock in their mouths?

Yes

tourists are ditching Croatia for Greece desu

All your arguments are merely tu quoques about the West.
Seriously, as always, you take legit scepticism for retarded things pushed from the west, and start going full retard in the opposite, eastern, pro-slavic sphere.

>not vice versa

Again, I am not pro-Russia, I am pro-Romania. You are the sort of retard that drags Romania into Western serfdom out of an irrational fear of Russia.

>fear or russia
>irrational

Pick one and only one.

>I asked who would've forced you to accept unfavorable Russian deals

Well, I don't know, the Russian spies that they have here, that are in the government. The only reason these deals didn't pass was because of the EU. Otherwise, we would have been stuck in mud like the Russians are... forever.

>federalization

It's a long way off, my friend. And even so I prefer to be on the winning side than be stuck in mud houses for all my life, so If federalization is the future, then so be it.

As I said, facts speak for themselves. We are richer than Russia with way better perspectives than Russia has. Every single country that has abandoned Russia's sphere of influence is better than them.

Who are these independent states you like to talk about? Belarus, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia? If that's how you want to live, you can certainly do so by leaving Austria and returning to Moldova, where independence is a guarantee, right? You can also go to Russia, if you want to live in shit for the rest of your life.

It's simple:
Russia - shitty lifestyle, high homicide rate, poor, horrible infrastructure, shitty economy, high corruption, shitty pensions, extremely low wages, high drug rate, alcohol and smoking rate, high depression rate, zero innovation, and basically - losers. Independent? Go ask the average Russian how fucking independent he thinks he is.

The EU - the exact opposite. Basically winners.

And who do you pick? If you prefer to live in mud, well, that's your choice, I can't stop you, however please do not try to promote your retarded logic onto everyone, nor insult everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion by calling them "NATOcuck"

>irrational fear of Russia
yeah right

>You are the sort of retard that drags Romania into Western serfdom out of an irrational fear of Russia.
Tu quoque again.

>he actually belives it

Believes**

>irrational fear
you don't know what this imperialistic gnome is going to do in the next 24 hours

youtube.com/watch?v=FPuk2NVEFrU

I like this bg song

>he's greek

Is that Venzy an Arab or something? I've always wondered.

>the Russian spies that they have here, that are in the government
The ''''Russian spies'''' that didn't manage to keep you out of the EU?
>And even so I prefer to be on the winning side than be stuck in mud houses for all my life, so If federalization is the future, then so be it.
Then stop claiming to care about Bulgaria, you care about your comfort and that's it.
>The EU - the exact opposite.
Except that the EU is a dishonest authoritarian regime that strips more and more rights away from both countries and citizens as it grows in power through ratified treaties. If you believe that the West is 'free', you are an idiot.
>tu quoque
Person A makes claim X.
Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
Therefore X is false.
>You make the claim that we need the EU
>Your past or current claims are in accordance with that
>therefore you are truthfully retarded, both past and present
Where's the tu quoque, faggot?

>he isn't Greek

>he isn't white

wow maise would be hot even if she was bald

he looks like a nigger+white mix

>scooby
lel

>Where's the tu quoque, faggot?
>person A criticizes Russia, like here();
>your reply: EU does the same!()

What is your plan then? What should we do? Give me your "expert" opinion on foreign relations and economic "expertise".

You're not giving me any facts here, you're only sperging, "FUK D EU, ITS SO BED, IT FKS ME INDEPENDENCE, FRIIDOM, PLZ".

Can you back-up your claims by presenting something? I've given you stats about how's life in independent Russia, how the EU is not infringing on your sovereignty, and how NATO is a guarantee to a safety future.

Tell me, with facts, on why everything I said is wrong. Stop sperging out, "muh evil EU, muh evil NATO, muh great independence, oh the humanity..."

>Being greek
No thanks.

>be a gypsy

Caп, мoфoc. Aйм бэк фpoм вopк, гoт aбoyт 70 eypo, филc гyд.

even the gypo doesn't want to be gr*ek

he is nigger + white

VenZy (BeнЗи) e poдeн нa 4 фeвpyapи 1987 г. в Coфия. Бaщa мy пpoизхoждa oт Hигepия, нo идвa в Бългapия, зa дa yчи икoнoмикa и ce зaпoзнaвa c мaйкa мy, изyчaвaщa пo тoвa вpeмe мeдицинa.

>"grow, grow, grow"

what is Tri Moreta

ofc u'd grow, the copper influx in Bucharest is remarkable :^)

>he isn't a king
Life must be suffering desu
She looks like a shaolin monk with down syndrome desu.

Хeлoy мaй фpeнд,вaт ape йy гoйнг тo cпeнд тхийз мoни oн?

I brought you guys an official OST of this thread

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Ah the cheeky seajews are at it again.

I found a true, authentic romanian girl /s

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φοβού τους δαναούς kαι δώρα φέροντες ;^)

search it

So you're even more retarded than I thought.
>A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
How is the fact that the EU does the same contradict your statement, you cretin?
>Can you back-up your claims by presenting something?
I am not claiming that the average citizen would benefit economically from independence, especially short term. I value sovereignty and the rule by my own law more than economic prosperity, you do not. Simply stop claiming to be some sort of patriot or claiming you care about Bulgaria as a Motherland and not as the European province you happen to reside in.

3 seas
Bulgaria territory was the largest in it's history during Simeon I rule, it also was in it's golden age

>He isn't an emperor

Again with no facts to back-up your ridiculous statements. You must be a troll or some really delusional individual. Honestly, I bet on the former, you can't be that stupid.

Aйл кип ит aнcпeнт, тoмoppoy aйл ёpн энoзep хaндpeд хoyпфyлли энд зeн aйл фaйнaлли cтapт мaй вaкeйшн бeфop мyвинг тy Aвcтpaлия

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What are my ridiculous statements, you retard? I am not saying things will be economically better by being independent.

Holy shit, lad, stop embarrassing yourself. Look at pic related. Half of our government is russian shills. They never intended to keep us out of the EU. They wanted to use us as a Trojan horse for fucks sake. But then came Boko, a Merkel shill, backed by the US, so we're pro-west now.

I want to move to Australia as well.
Seems like the most ridicoulous and expensive place, but I like it 'cause it's so remote and away from Europe.

>What are my ridiculous statements
I don't know, um... like... everything you say?

>Russian-paid
Proofs? Or is it again because anyone who isn't pro-West must be clearly under the Kremlin's control?

Quite expensive, yeah. But totally okay if you have a job there. So far the best place I've ever visited.

Quote me, please?

>How is the fact that the EU does the same contradict your statement, you cretin?
Because you do not address the subject at hand, you turn around and go full en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism on the EU.

>Boyko
>Merkel shill

Boyko is a communist, just like the rest of them. He is a little more distant, but he just uses the "I'm right" to get elected. He is far from right.

He only follows Merkel and Obama because they are winners, not because he is any different than Stanishev.

>So far the best place I've ever visited
aww lucky you. Where've you been?

Who else ?

People in the short-lived Oresharski government were talkign about leaving the EU and joining Glorious Eurasian Union.

Should I quote every post you've made since the last thread? No thank you, I said "everything" for a reason.

>a communist
how so?

is there even a slight chance that bulgaria could change its international affiliation in the future?

>refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument
Because I agree that Russian interests also go against us? What do I have to refute or disprove?
Or in other words nothing. Just stop claiming to care about Bulgaria, you spit on the memory of the likes of Levski.

>proofs
you are a fucking idiot

BSP is the socialist party, ex commie party that during the regime, they are all russian educated, sponsored etc
ABV are ppl from BSP that didn't like the current leader so they splintered, but still play together with BSP
DPS literally turks paid by Moscow to shill
ATTACK they straight up tell you we need to be annexed by Russia

kill yourself retarded faggot

Not the man, but he was the guard of Бaт Toдop as far as i remember

Not that makes him a commie but still

In politics, a well-placed coup can change a lot of things, quickly.

you are also an idiot

If you look where the money for GERB comes from, you will see GERMANY written all over it. That's why the yurobux keep flowing when they are in charge, not because he's not corrupt as fuck. He's just a useful puppet.

Nobody? They might be independent parties, ever thought about that? You aren't living in the cold war, you retard. Not every party or politician is bought by Russia or the West.
''''People'''''?
All of those are circumstantial evidences at best, Attaka aside. Show me bills, conversations with Kremlin officials etc or stop spouting nonsense.

As you might probably know in Russia we have two passports - first is internal one written only in cyrillic inside and meant to be used only inside RF and second one is for travelling. It has 33 pages for visas and stamps. These two are almost complete. So
USA (4 times), Belarus, Ukraine, Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia (worked for 1 year), France (worked for 4,5 years), Switzerland (worked for 0,5 year), Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Australia, Germany, Spain, Turkey and Hungary.

And Volen was the editor of chief of Дeмoкpaция. So what?

>I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but I will tell you about your country

KILL

YOUR

SELF

FAGGOT

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Nor do you know. Except spouting slogans, do you have any concrete, direct proofs that links the party leadership to the Kremlin?

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>nor do you

I have actually been following local politics for several years now, so I know what I'm talking about. You on the other hand are an idiot.

>mfw tri moreta was 15 years ago

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Well, of course they are rumors. You're the one with the communist mindset of "if he's not with us, he's against us". Your claims have as much basis as RT calling everyone fascist.
''following local politics'', then it wouldn't be that hard to show or name me some documents which show a concrete connection between the Kremlin and those parties, right?

He praises Todor Zhivkov, he doesn't promote lustration of DS agents in government structures, he lets Dogan do as he likes, he blocked the reform that would have allowed the communist atrocities to be taught in school, he didn't back Plevneliev for second term, nor did he defend him against all the attacks from Russian shills, he keeps the Russian projects open, draining our economy by doing so, he was in coalition with ABV and the Patriotic front (Well known communist agents), and lots of other things.

There isn't much of a difference between BSP and GERB, even though GERB are better alternative to BSP, but that's not really saying much.

Troll.

Ye, that is very interesting, but I meant asking where exactly in Australia have you been?

>have a contrary opinion
>must be a troll

you have no idea how retarded you sound kek

three muh reddit t b h

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Ah, sorry. Didn't get it. So far I've only been to Sydney and Melbourne