/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5 >R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC >i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks >R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc >1050Ti at ~$105. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games >1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA) >1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@100+hz >1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz. >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings >Freesync2 & Vega soon
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
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Dominic Morris
Did you break it or is shit for vibration or something? you need to cable manage your room my friend
Brandon Jackson
My case was too small for a good air cooler so I figured I had to use a meme water cooler. Turns out that was also a bit too thick. So now panel is duct taped on. Also after I taped it up a wire got in a fan so I had to redo...
Daniel Lopez
oh lord should've bought a new case
Michael Diaz
on the plus side, taping the seams like that will help with dust management.
Xavier Bennett
do we have any leaked r3 benchmarks yet?
Asher Bailey
no, but that could easily be done by disabling SMT on an R5 1400
David Cooper
CPU + Cooler + Delid kit cause I'm a bitch already so expensive. Plus this way I don't have to worry about people stealing my PC, everybody thinks it is shit. Got to grab some Pentium inside stickers.
Don't have to worry about dusting if I can't access the inside.
Hudson Perez
>i7-7700k may have heat issues even at stock clocks Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP.
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs 1080p, retard. Extra VRAM doesn't magically make it 1440p approved.
There are [(1440 x 2560) - (1080 x 1920)] / (1080 x 1920) = 77% more pixels in 1440p
1440p starts with the GTX1070. Get over it, fanboy. When Vega drops the situation might change, but not until then.
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 Incorrect. They are average out fairly equally. Hardware Unboxed shows a 2% difference. Fuck off, fanboy.
Matthew King
Also there's no mention of the GTX 1050 in the OP, which a great price/perf budget 1080p gfx card.
Jace Harris
>Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP. I hope you are right. I delidded because of those memes. Still doesn't change the fact that the TIM they include is garbage though.
Tyler Torres
>Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP. The 7700k heats issue is a meme? Do you think you can just push clocks of a CPU enormously high, call it stock clock and it'll be good to go? The 7700k has heats issue, even intel acknowledges it. If you don't delid, even a good cooler won't cool it that efficiently.
>You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs >1080p, retard. Extra VRAM doesn't magically make it 1440p approved. >There are [(1440 x 2560) - (1080 x 1920)] / (1080 x 1920) = 77% more pixels in 1440p Why the fuck are you being autistic with numbers? I could do the same with any claim of the OP because there's always some games that will shit the bed at 1080p even on a fucking RX 470 or even RX 480 People have been doing 1440p fine since the rx 390 & gtx 970 days. The RX 480 is good at it, as long as you drop the retarded settings.
>Incorrect. They are average out fairly equally. Hardware Unboxed shows a 2% difference. Fuck off, fanboy. There's more to performance than average.
Parker Mitchell
What are the best value cheap case fans? I'd prefer something with ball bearings instead of a bushing as I want them to last for a long time.
Carter Rivera
>good cooler
that's why you get an awesome cooler
Nolan Wood
>Why the fuck are you being autistic with numbers? Let me guess, you failed second grade math.
>People have been doing 1440p fine since the rx 390 & gtx 970 days. That was a long time ago. In terms of graphics card series, the 970 is equivalent to the 1070. They fill the same role in the lineup. No one would suggest a (3.5) 970 for 1440p at this point, and no one should be suggesting a 480, which is only approximately as powerful as the TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD GTX970.
Yeah, it was a 1440p card then. It isn't now.
Daniel Cox
>new to PC building >doing tons of research to build my first gaymer PC >all my research leads me to Ryzen I am now an AMD fanboy.
rate my build, budget was 890€ so forget the case :p
Wyatt Robinson
>Literally deliding AHAHAHHAHA
David Hill
>In terms of graphics card series, the 970 is equivalent to the 1070. They fill the same role in the lineup. Are you suggesting that the GTX 970 did well at 1440p maxed on the game of it's time and that he GTX 960 was the 1080p card or some other dumb shit? No, the GTX 970 didn't do 1440p well when maxed, pic related. Wasn't even close. But if you dropped the retarded settings, then yeah you could easily get a stable 60fps, while still getting an almost identical graphical quality.
>no one should be suggesting a 480, which is only approximately as powerful as the TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD GTX970. By that logic, no one should be suggesting the RX 580, because it's literally the same as an RX 480 but with slightly higher clocks. And yet, it outperforms the GTX 1060 in newer games, as seen in here
Blake Jackson
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Owen Gutierrez
>WD black It's not for you, get a WD Caviar Blue. Much less expensive. >400w PSU That's not enough. Get a 500w, that will leave enough room for OC & power spikes.
thanks actually I built this pc for a friend and he wanted that housing so much
Brayden Ross
Why? There are plenty of cases that are good looking at $100 and under, you don't need a $150 case for that With the money saved you could up the CPU to an R5 1600 which will last longer than the 1500x because of the 6 cores
Daniel Ortiz
RAM is a little slow and might not work well with the mobo.
PSU is weak. You've really limited your upgrade options to save a few euros.
>By that logic herp derp You lack logic, but have exceeding stupidity.
No one who spends $250 - $600 on a 1440p monitor is going to buy a $200 gfx card to drop settings and barely get by.
The only reason to recommend a 580 is that it is an AMD card, and the OP is obsessed with Team Red.
Regarding Crysis3: First, it was one of the most graphically demanding games of its time, if not the most. So you've cherrypicked an outlier to try to say that the 970 was weak at 1440p. (And by the way, if the 970 was weak way back then, why the hell would I want to buy a similarly powered card NOW for 1440p? Again, you're a fucking moron.)
Secondly, notice that the 980Ti (the TOP consumer card) would have been the only card to get that sixty FPS. 1440p was an enthusiast resolution, much like 4K today.
Stop recommending the 580 just because Team Red lacks a real 1440p card.
Brody Anderson
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Jaxson Taylor
>$250 - $600 on a 1440p monitor is going to buy a $200 gfx card to drop settings and barely get by. $200 is an RX 470, you autist.
>The only reason to recommend a 580 is that it is an AMD card, and the OP is obsessed with Team Red. Sure thing buddy, one of the best argument i've ever heard. I bothered to give arguments about my opinion throughout the thread, if you can't be bothered to do the same i'm not gonna bother answering not reading the rest of your message. Probably consists of namecalling again and some other dumb shit.
Austin James
My bad nigger, I rounded to the nearest hundred.
>I bothered to give arguments about my opinion throughout the thread Your argument is that, because a 580 would have been decent for 1440p two or three years ago, before new generation of consoles, before the PS4 Pro, before the 14nm die shrink, before 1440p became more mainstream, I should buy a 580 NOW for 1440p.
You. have. no. argument.
Hunter Martinez
I really wish shitposters would stop coming to these threads. The whole purpose is to help people build their pc and give them informations they do not possess, yet people come in here and do their best to shitpost and start drama.
Jackson Jackson
falcon seems to have a lot of free time lately
Matthew Thomas
The shitposts are 60495822, 60495621, 60495934, 60495612, 60495310. It's unfortunate, but Sup Forums is the new Sup Forums.
The drama is just Sup Forumsirgins getting their panties in a knot when Sup Forumsentoomen show up
Parker Allen
I fail to see how recommending a new case instead of sticking to one where the cooler doesn't fit is a shitpost.
Wyatt Sanchez
I'm pretty sure it's just some other fag trying to destroy his reputation.
Falcon used to be nice, even if he was a shill. This other guy is completely intolerable.
Christopher Myers
>This other guy is completely intolerable. Oh sorry, did I bite off your head and shit down your throat earlier? Try not being a fucking moron and you'll find me to be interesting, reasonable, and generally worthwhile to read.
It was of a conversational tone and of no substance/value. This isn't /soc/. Unfortunately this post falls in the same category
Austin Martin
>pcpartpicker.com/list/J6bk3F Thinking of building a desktop for friend. I have an old 760 I upgraded from and I'll be using that for the GPU since he doesn't game but does a lot of video and photo editing. Any problems with this?
Kevin Powell
>I'm pretty sure it's just some other fag trying to destroy his reputation. for conspiracy theories
Jack Bailey
Which software will he be using? Photoshop doesn't benefit much from more core although it does in some case
In any case, that AIO is quite overkill, as high end $80 air coolers perform just as good or very close. The rest is pretty good.
Julian Green
Looks good. You might upgrade to an m.2 drive for simplicity and get a second HDD for redundancy if it's for work
William Peterson
Sony Vegas and Photoshop and whatever does rendering. Not too sure what he actually uses. And I figured I'd throw the AIO since it would fit in the front of the case nicely. Also I was thinking of overclocking it if neccessary, which is why I considererd the AIO.
Grayson Taylor
Then yeah those two together will definitely benefit a lot from the extra cores The AIO is just pretty expensive for what it offers but if you wanna get it it's fine still
Luke Garcia
The case comes with 2 fans so I thought the AIO would be nice since I can move the default front fan to the top for airflow. Is there a better fan to use that would fit the case?
Hudson Brooks
Aside from size, what are the differences between mATX and ATX? ITX has too much compromise for the small size to interest me.
David Martinez
> 760 I upgraded from and I'll be using that for the GPU since he doesn't game Keep in mind that modern software such as Adobe shit can benefit from the GPU in certain workloads that utilize OpenCL or CUDA.
John Perez
i wonder if anyone has bought an i3 7350k
Easton Lee
I was wonderinig the same thing. It has no logical reason to exist.
Logan Gutierrez
Emulator build or other purpose that needs the strongest single core performance possible. Please fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from, redshill
Sebastian Barnes
At least 3 people have done it on pcpartpicker. Sad thing is it already out preforms the 8350 except in applications that can use 8 cores.
Bentley Nelson
It's good for HTPC emulators and dwarf fortress.
Like if you just want to make a box in your living room that just runs emulators. It's the only one you can overclock the iGPU on. Though a lesser i3s or even a G4560 works perfectly fine for Dolphin and PCSX2. So idk.
It's very similar performance to the i5-2500k in gaming. But the i5-2500k isn't good enough anymore.
Bentley Taylor
I got my build coming in the mail soon but I don't know how I'm going to transfer my music and images over. I'm using a laptop now, can I just stick my laptop HDD in the second HDD slot, then just drag the files I want onto the new HDD?
Mason Bell
Yeah, but move the files to a non-My Documents type folder first. Sometimes Windows encrypts those folders depending on settings
Isaiah Bell
Transfer over a network? Just mark the whole drive as shareable.
Charles Russell
Yes, you can plug a laptop hard drive into a desktop computer and copy the files from it into the main hard drive perfectly fine.
When i was poor, my computer used to have both a laptop hard drive an an xbox 360 hard drive.
James Richardson
If you have windows 10 disable fast boot first. If you don't then windows marks the drive as "in use" and other operating systems refuse to touch any of the files.
Ayden White
>webm what kind of disgusting degenerated monster would do thing like this i think someone is chopping onion..
Since Kaby was released I landed on this build. Might not get a GPU at all as I mostly play 2d platformers. In which case would anyone recomend the G4600 for better iGPU?
Levi Martinez
There's a reason people on budgets are pointed to the G4560. The 7100 is only 10% better for twice the price.
Jack Peterson
Is getting a SSHD instead of a HDD worth it if i do a lot of work with photography and video RAW files? Backing up several gigs of files is slow as shit with my current 5400 RPM HDD.
Isaiah Anderson
Best 1440p IPS monitor for ~400€?
Jose Martinez
Probably that Nixeus one if it's the same price there.
Or MG279Q if you can find it on sale and from a retailer that takes no questions asked returns in case you get dead pixels. Or do you mean just a 60hz one for color accuracy and light levels? Probably a Dell or HP.
No. SSHD has very limited amount of fast storage and only places a handful of files in there. So if you're not frequently accessing the same files then it won't speed up anything. Get a job and trade your wagecoins in for a high capacity SSD.
Brody Russell
Already have a 500GB SSD, I need mass storage too
Eli Barnes
/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General
Henry Hill
Go for a raid setup then. Buy a NAS box, throw 3-4 hard drives in them and watch as your files fly across over ethernet Some NAS devices allow you to have a seperate m.2 or mSATA drive as cache, you could even consider that if you have the dough for it. Won't speed up read times but it'll allow you to send files over without having to wait for them to get written.
>Sup Forums - Memes, consumer electronics and videogames
Austin Barnes
I do lots of gaymen, but I'm too poor for a 1440p at 144fps IPS monitor. I only have a GTX 1080 anyway. I think I'd rather have a higher resolution than a higher refresh rate since I prefer single player games. Monitors are way more expensive in yurop too. There's no way I can find a MG279Q for less than 500€.
Camden Bell
If you are planning to use iGPU G4600 is worth the extra over G4560 since it has 2x execution units in the iGPU(Intel HD 610 vs HD 630). For builds with a dedicated graphics card the G4560 is optimal since the clockspeed difference between the two are negligible.
Levi Torres
Hey guys, wanting to know any websites that'll teach me how to build a pc, completely new to the pc gaming scene, no experience whatsoever
Alright. You should still try to get 2400mhz ram since faster memory speed helps iGPU performance and going from 2133 to 2400 should not be that much extra. Also remember to check the bios for iGPU performance settings since some boards have features that let the iGPU run faster.
Jordan Collins
What RAID level is the way to go then? Getting something like 5 or 6 500GB HDDs and using RAID 10?
Brody Scott
I'd get a mobo with wifi. USB wifi sucks
Jace Rogers
>500GB HDDs why not 1TB or 2TB drives?
Charles Morris
I'm drumming up a build for a PC and realised I have no idea how to shop for a WNIC.
I'm a total dunderhead, can anyone give me some advice? Should I be plugging it into a usb port or a pci port?
Blake Robinson
>Your package was cleared after the scheduled transport departure. We will reschedule for the next available departure. / Your delivery has been rescheduled for the next business day.
Kevin Young
Figured 500GB would be cheaper but turns out 1TB drives are cheaper than 500GB now
Jordan White
USB is better because you can use a cable to position your dongle for best connection.
Angel Russell
Seagate Barracuda 2TB drives are like $69, while WD Caviar Blue 1TB's are $48. For the money, the 2TB is better
Juan Gonzalez
So let's say I wanted to stick some WD Reds in my PC without a NAS Box for mass storage, would it be worth putting at least 4 of them for RAID 10 then? Not that user by the way
Christian Reed
Alright, so what RAID array is the best to go with then? Seems like RAID 1 and RAID 10 are the most common choices but RAID 1 is just focused on speed while RAID 10 has better reliability?
Xavier Nguyen
What is the best ram speed to get?
Hunter Green
The highest your motherboard supports. The difference in cost between different speeds of RAM is minimal, there's really no reason to not get the fastest your mobo supports.
Kevin Collins
The motherboard I'm getting apparently supports up to 4133. I've never seen any that high though. Do speeds that high have temp problems? Would I need a fan for my RAM or is that a meme?
Connor Sanders
Casing and assembly make up most of the purhase price, the disks themselves are dirt cheap. Thus low capacity hard drives are relatively expensive.
>Raid 0: best performance, no redundancy >Raid 1: best redundancy, mediocre write performance, severy limits your capacity Raid 10 combines these two, giving you benefits from both sides. It has better write speed and gives larger capacity than raid 1 and doesn't die if one drive gets fucked.
Diminishing returns hit hard after 2666 mhz, at least for gaming. You do still benefit from higher frequencies but they're not woth the premium that some companies charge for them. Spend your money on other components rather than meme RAM.
Leo Sanders
>Do speeds that high have temp problems? Would I need a fan for my RAM or is that a meme?
It is Grade-A marketing meme. In fact no ram runs hot enough to even need a heatsink given the typical airflow a pc case has. All those flashy looking ram sticks are (generally) just marketing gimmicks because memory technology advances very slowly so manufacturers add bling to entice people to pick one brand over the other when it is generally all the same shit.
Aaron Taylor
Stick to something like 3000 or 3200 then, you don't need a fan or anything like that.
Angel Howard
I realized the ryzen is jack of all trades and master of none so I'm going with Intel
Joseph Morales
what?
Elijah Murphy
Thanks lads.
Andrew Ortiz
Its called an idiom pajeet
Hudson Flores
>master of none Y'know, aside from everything but video games
Isaiah Fisher
Stuff that a Xeon would beat it
Aaron Thomas
Sure, show me an 8 core Xeon that can clock at 4 Ghz that costs 330 bucks and I'll consider it
Carson Jenkins
>this $2000 processor is superior in some specific workloads >it also loses in a lot of others =)