/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general. >Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/ >How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated) wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable or has the least amount of headache when it comes to RMA; when in doubt, go for the part with the longest warranty >Figure out what you need your build to do before coming up with a build list in order to get the best value for your dollar - remember, you can always add more or better hardware later if you don't have the money for the parts now Your core components should include a: CPU, heatsink, motherboard, RAM, storage drive, and a PSU (add in a GPU if your processor doesn't have one built in) >Make sure to budget for these first and buy them all at once (or within the part's RMA period) >Take a picture of your build after installing each part or cable! That way you can archive your steps to troubleshoot if something goes wrong! All you need to POST your build: a CPU, a heatsink, a motherboard, RAM, a PSU, and a screwdriver youtube.com/watch?v=FuPZlliGqBw You'll also need a monitor, a graphical output, and a keyboard to interact with the BIOS >Be sure to do a POST check after installing all of the core components, and the a POST check after each additional component is added or removed (video card, extra hard drives, etc)
CPUs: >DX11 and older API games and Console Emulators rely on higher core frequency for better performance >DX12, Vulkan, and OpenGL APIs tend to rely on thread count, but also higher core frequency (core scaling ends at around 8 threads) >Encoding or Rendering favors a mix between core frequency and thread count, so an [email protected] can match an R5 [email protected] >Livestreaming needs both higher core frequencies and thread count: streaming DX11 or older games need at least 4 available threads (1-2 threads for game, 2-3 for encoding), streaming DX12 games need at least eight (4-6 threads for game, 2-4 for encoding); this is why the i7-7700K is unbeatable as a quality livestreaming CPU >24/7 Network appliances (NAS, seedbox, router, etc) do not need high core frequency, just more threads; Intel Atoms and embedded Celeron/Pentiums are ideal for this due to their 4 thread count at sub-15W TDP >AMD used to excel at AES encryption throughput, but not anymore: consider an Intel Goldmont SoC for DIY VPN router or encrypted NAS Rule of Thumb: Embedded Quad-Cores/Dual Cores (no HT) - Facebook/Shitposting/Chinese-Cartoon-Watching Machine Dual Cores (HT) - 1080p eSports Gaming Machine, light programming work Quad-core (no HT) - 1080p AAA Gaming Machine, 1080p Livestream (minimum), moderate workload Quad-core (HT) - 1440p/4K Gaming, 1080p Livestreaming (eSport, some AAA), heavy workload 6-core - 1440p/4K Gaming, 1080p Livestreaming (AAA) 8 or more-core - Live video encoding to HEVC/VP9
tl:dr - Buy Intel if you're primarily gaming and occasionally working, buy Ryzen if you use obscure, uncommon apps that doesn't use CUDA acceleration for work and game occasionally
Jace Scott
Intel CPUs: Under $100 - Pair with $40-$60 H110/B250 mATX motherboards* >Pentium G4560 - unless G4600/G4620 goes under $75 Under $180 - Pair with $40-80 H110/B250 motherboards ($100 Z270 mATX for the 7350K) >Core i3-7100 - has AVX/2, 16-bit FPC (or F16C), and FMA3 compared to the Pentiums, but only 3MB of L3 cache >Core i3-7300 - if you need more L3 cache (unless the 7320 is under $170) >Core i3-7350K - look no further for a performance budget gaming build for games running older APIs or emulation Under $300 - Pair with $60-100 B250/H270 motherboards (At least $160 Z270 ATX for the 7600K) >Core i5-7500 - only get the 7600 if you can get one at a 10% discount >Core i5-7600K - best value gaming CPU Above $300 - Pair with $170+ Z270 ATX motherboard or 2011-v3 socket X99 system >Core i7-7700K - the ideal livestreaming and 4K gaming CPU, best performing gaming CPU of all time >Core i7-6800K - better for multitasking and livestreaming with more expansion options for less than the 6850K >Core i7-6900K - for when you need 8 real cores for multitasking and encoding >Core i7-6950X - 10 cores that can't be beat, but at a very high pricetag * - All Celeron and Pentiums can use ECC RAM and run on C232/C236 motherboards Xeon E3 CPUs: Can use Unbuffered ECC RAM, but needs more expensive C232/C236 chipsets >Xeon E3-12X0 v6 - no iGPU >Xeon E3-12X5 v6 - HD P630 iGPU >Xeon E3-1220/1225 v6 - non-HT Xeons (equivalent to Core i5s) >Xeon E3-1240 v6 - best value Xeon: Core i7-7700 at $270 Xeon E5 CPUs: Can use Unbuffered and Registered ECC RAM, comes in two major varieties for UP and DP platforms >Xeon E5-16XX v4 - UP/single-socket >Xeon E5-26XX v4 - DP/dual-socket >Xeon E5-2630 v4 - best value Xeon: 10 cores/20 threads for i7-6850K money
Noah Brooks
Ryzen CPUs: Under $200 - Pair with A320 or B350 motherboards >Ryzen 5 1500X - mediocre at everything, more L3 cache than an i7, but only as powerful as an i5 (you get what you pay for) Under $250 - Pair with B350 motherboards >Ryzen 5 1600 - decent six core, but not much going for it otherwise; Core i5s are a better choice for gaming Over $300 - Pair with B350 or X370 motherboards >Ryzen 7 1700 - the hidden gem of the Ryzen series, consider this over the Core i5 for anything other than gaming; only get the 1700X if it's on sale, but it's offset by the need to buy a $30+ cooler separately >Even then, strongly consider X99 Intels for better connectivity options and more memory buswidth
Dylan Gomez
What cooler should I get for a 1600X?
Elijah Murphy
>>Core i5-7600K - best value gaming CPU Should precise that it's the best value for INTEL, because the R5 1600 beats it at gaming value (or not even gaming specifically)
>Core i5s are a better choice for gaming Oh wow, where have you been this past month? i5s are utter complete shit, the R5 1600 shits on it because of CPU usage
Do they make SATA cables that aren't so thick and more easily bent/routed in a case?
Michael Gray
>tl:dr - Buy Intel if you're primarily gaming and occasionally working, buy Ryzen if you use obscure, uncommon apps that doesn't use CUDA acceleration for work and game occasionally What? What does CUDA has to do with CPUs? Why is the R5 1600 not considered a better choice over any i5 when it is and when every reviewer says so?
You're not that guy that tried to force his logicalincrement & pcpartpicker saved links are you? You won't mind if this OP gets edited a lot throughout the following threads, do you?
Luke Allen
Can anyone give me a quick rundown on HDDs? Are Seagate still much worse than WD when it comes to reliability?
Why are you getting a 1600X? It's generally not worth it over the 1600. Seagate, WD, Toshiba, and HGST all make equally reliable drives. Just buy the one you're most comfortable with and make sure their warranty plan isn't shit like Toshiba's.
Juan Watson
>>Core i7-7700K - the ideal livestreaming CPU and 4K gaming CPU the more i read this OP the more i wanna ditch it already so much effort put in there yet so much lies in there too could be so good but isn't
Cameron Ortiz
Looking for a good 34" 1440p 21:9 curved monitor, max 17.5lbs without a stand, must support VESA mounting, minimal bleed, preferably >60Hz and under $1,000. What do you guys recommend?
Jaxon Baker
>Why is the R5 1600 not considered a better choice over any i5 when it is and when every reviewer says so? That's news to me. The i5-7600 is generally better than the 1600 in almost every respect apart from obscure or specialty software. Compared to the i5-7400 and you'll have a point, but you're comparing to the entire i5 range, which that statement is grossly inaccurate and deliberately misleading.
That doesn't look like it would routed any easier. The silverstone look dubious, what gauge are they using? Also, that price is insulting.
Colton Bell
Why are all monitor risers so fucking huge? My monitor's base is like 6"x9". Why do I need a 21"x11" riser? Whose idea was this?
Samuel Bell
Is Seagate's Skyhawk disks any good value?
Owen Bennett
>The i5-7600 is generally better than the 1600 in almost every respect apart from obscure or specialty software. wrong.
Oliver Brown
I presume you're new to /pcbg/ or haven't been here in a long time? Because it's told again and again every single thread. Please watch the videos posted in There is nothing inaccurate or misleading about it. The i5 has only 4 threads so it reaches very big CPU usage and has not much room for other programs to run (read: you need to close everything before starting a game), and it often has spikes to 100% causing noticeable sudden drop of FPS (noticeable in the first video that is showing Battlefield 1) Whereas the R5 1600 has SMT (leaving more room for other stuff) and most importantly two more cores, so it doesn't reach nearly has high CPU usage and has an enormous amount of room for other stuff. It's also priced similarly to the 7600k (although it does not require a cooler which makes it technically cheaper). Why did you decide to make this OP, are you even a /pcbg/ regular? If yes how in hell did you not notice all the talk about the R5 1600 being vastly superior to any i5?
Carter Rivera
What lies? The 7700K pulls ahead of the R7 and R5 in every single game apart from the more recent DX12 titles that takes advantage of more than six threads. Even when livestreaming 720p at 3500kbps, the i7-7700K pulls much better average FPS figures than any of the Ryzen CPUs. I have yet to see a single popular eSport or AAA game to buck the trend. You get outright lower FPS with Ryzen even when livestreaming. The only benefit from having more cores is that Ryzen won't suffer from as large of an FPS drop as the 7700K under similar circumstances, but the 7700K pulls such high numbers from the start that it doesn't matter at all. I found it. It's much thinner, but at double the price. Probably two 12 gauge wires? amazon.com/Silverstone-Lateral-Low-Profile-Connectors-CP11/dp/B00HDEBGSQ
Jaxson Cox
>The 7700K pulls ahead of the R7 and R5 in every single game apart from the more recent DX12 titles that takes advantage of more than six threads. and it BARELY does that while hitting huge spikes in CPU usage in comparison, so you can't run anything in the background like Discord.
Blake Wood
>What lies? The 7700K pulls ahead of the R7 and R5 in every single I'll quote the line again: >Core i7-7700K - the ideal livestreaming CPU The R7 1700 (priced similarly to 7700k) has four more cores than the 7700k. How does this not make it the ideal livestreaming CPU? >Even when livestreaming 720p at 3500kbps Ah yes i sure enjoy playing and streaming my games at 720p Anyway, the 7700k has half the cores. 4 cores for AAA gaming + livestreaming is pure idiocy when the competition offers twice as much cores for the same price. Sure, maybe it can stream minecraft at 720p at a higher FPS, but that's about it. Play an AAA game while streaming it, or play Esport while streaming and it'll most likely shit the bed because of CPU usage. >You get outright lower FPS with Ryzen even when livestreaming. This is a bold claim, where are the charts to support it?
Considering even my R7 1700 has been a bottleneck while i was recording GTA V footage at high quality (which, reminder, uses all 16 threads of the 1700), i call total bullshit on your claims.
Henry Bailey
>(which, reminder, uses all 16 threads of the 1700) And by that i meant both x264 and GTAV
Henry Price
>The i5 has only 4 threads so it reaches very big CPU usage and has not much room for other programs to run That's not true and you know that. No matter what OS you're running, you will ALWAYS run background tasks alongside whatever game you're playing. The Core i5 only has four threads to process them all, and yet pulls better numbers in every single DX11 and most DX12 titles when paired with Nvidia or Radeon cards. Having more threads which aren't being fully utilized and are only drawing additional power is not ideal in any situation. The Core i5 posts better performance numbers in some of those videos than the R5 does, but it still uses less power while doing so because it only has four cores. This is where core count loses to per-core performance. >and it often has spikes to 100% causing noticeable sudden drop of FPS As does the 1600, and yet you say nothing of it, as if you're being paid by a certain company to drown out criticism against their product.
I played Wildlands with Discord and UPlay running in the background just fine on a 7700K. No noticeable performance loss or "stuttering". You're making mountains out of anthills.
Isaac Green
non shill general!
Leo Martin
>That's not true and you know that. I posted video evidence supporting my claim, and asked you to watch them. youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m >and yet pulls better numbers in every single DX11 and most DX12 titles See video above. Are you gonna watch the evidence supporting my claims or keep doing your own claims without anything backing you up?
>As does the 1600, and yet you say nothing of it, Are you telling me the r5 1600 hits 100% CPU usage in the same games the i5 does? Watch the videos?
>as if you're being paid by a certain company to drown out criticism against their product No evidence backing your claims, ignore my evidence, resort to calling me a shill. Dumb OP, dumb person.
Actual thread:
David Ward
>How does this not make it the ideal livestreaming CPU? The R7 1700 (and the entire AM4 platform, for that matter) suffer from inconsistent performance in a lot of current next-gen titles, as well as hardware incompatibilities (such as getting XMP profiles to work out of the box). The 7700k is practically plug-and-play while offering much better gaming performance out of the box. The Intel line up's user-friendly and headache-free experience pushes it up even further in my own personal recommendations for Twitch livestreamers and eSport competitors. AMD fumbled the ball with AM4 and are still trying to make up for lost ground with microcode updates. I can not and will not recommend any AM4 CPU until it's gotten to the same out-of-the-box usability as the LGA1151 socket, which will take another few months.
Henry Cooper
are (((you))) even trying?
Justin Jenkins
>I can not and will not recommend any AM4 CPU *to most livestreamers and eSport competitors This is a bold claim, where are the charts to support it? Personal experience on an R5 1600X. The Wildlands failed to reach the same consistent 60+ FPS on a GTX 1060 during a demo livestream. I've had no such problems on a Core i7-7700K that was left at stock.
Eli Fisher
Well it happens than /pcbg/ regulars and people that have come here and made an AM4 build based on our recommendations strongly disagree with you. You are free to leave this general and never come back considering how you ignore anything we tell you.
John Jenkins
Dispute the points like a rational person, and maybe then I won't shut down your inane complaints and overblown statements with disdain. The Core i5 and Core i7 offer a better user experience for most gamers and liverstreamers. The Ryzen series is simply not there yet and I can not recommend it because of that.
Logan Ross
You call me ignorant, and yet you're the ones running away to another thread with your tail between your legs! That's a first. >people that have come here and made an AM4 build based on our recommendations strongly disagree with you Because their metrics and needs from their computer differ from the majority of the buying public. Gamers make up a large portion of new component buyers. They don't care about how a CPU runs on some obscure OS. They only care about pure gaming performance, which Kaby Lake delivers in spades.
Bentley Nelson
>Are you telling me the r5 1600 hits 100% CPU usage in the same games the i5 does? Then tell me why is it that the R5 1600 fails to match the i5-7500 in average FPS figures, despite having this "CPU overhead" advantage. One would ASSUME that the R5 1600 would be able to stretch its metaphorical legs and produce higher figures with some of its underused threads running? But that simply never happens in any of the games you've showed me thus far. There is a clear problem with Ryzen and that it's in a poorly optimized state. The Ryzen might have lower CPU usage, but it does not take advantage of that to produce higher performance, which is what gamers want.
Cameron Turner
>ignores facts in favor of personal bias >people make another thread so they don't have to listen to a shill >"lol tail between legs" How about get a brain in your skull? You ignored all evidence of Intel getting their ass handed to them all because you love sucking dick. Just because you're a retarded shill doesn't mean we have to listen to you. I bet you have a MAGA hat too you stupid fuck.
BTW, SAGE ALL THE THINGS!
Josiah Baker
>Ryzen 5 1600 - decent six core, but not much going for it otherwise; Core i5s are a better choice for gaming >Core i5s are a better choice for gaming
Blake Wood
But you see, with my 1080Ti I only get 100fps instead of 110fps! Ryzen btfo
Jaxson Rivera
Yeah I don't understand those people that are like muh average fps. Ryzen gives you so much better min fps which makes your games so much smoother.
Elijah Bailey
don't forget to sage this thread so it dies and the Intel-fag commits sudoku.
Easton Turner
So you're admitting that a r5 1600 does bottleneck graphics cards?
Ryder Collins
Ah.. I really wouldn't get a sandy bridge. That's literally 6 years old now. What about a G4560?
>Quad-core (no HT) - 1080p AAA Gaming Machine, 1080p Livestream (minimum), moderate workload >Quad-core (HT) - 1440p/4K Gaming, 1080p Livestreaming (eSport, some AAA), heavy workload This makes no fucking sense. Both because 4c/4t drop below 60fps at times even games from FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO, you dumb shill, and because resolution doesn't affect per-frame CPU performance,
Carter Wilson
whichever one you want the most :)
Brayden Thomas
Actual thread, sage this one or do not engage in discussion in it.
Gabriel Scott
It's annoying that this has to be posted every thread.
I think it's the same dumb shills that come in here questioning the 1600 recommendation over the 7600 most of the time, too.
Ayden Scott
Hard Drives >SSHDs are not worth the money unless you can only fit ONE drive in your build's case SSHDs are all 5900RPM drives with 8GB flash drives embedded in them. Once that flash dies (and you're not using it as a write-through cache), then you're fucked. >5400rpm/5900rpm drives are best used in archival/NAS or media playback use Expect lower temperature, lower noise, higher reliability, and between 70-160MB/s of performance >7200rpm drives perform well for production and gaming Expect warmer temperatures, higher noise, lower reliability (apart from enterprise-based drives which I'll get to below) and between 90-210MB/s of performance for 500GB-3TB drives OR 100-230MB/s for 4TB-8TB non-SMR drives. >SMR are crap They take longer to write to and vary in consistent write performance due to how it writes to the outer track as a temporary cache first, and then writes onto the disk in overlapping layer. DO NOT USE SMR DRIVES FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN ARCHIVAL OR READ-HEAVY PURPOSES, unless you have an SSD acting as a cache for it. Using SMR drives on their own is tricky and actually warranted HGST to make a presentation on using SMR drives for specific read-heavy applications. >Cache size and platter speed makes a huge difference for everyday performance Go no less than a 7200rpm 500GB-3TB HDD with 64MB of cache or 7200rpm 4TB-6TB HDDs with 128MB of cache for gaming or production. 5900rpm drives can work alright with 32MB cache, but 64MB of cache will boost random read performance significantly >SAS drives are not compatible with SATA! So that supercheap HGST Ultrastar on Amazon can't be used in your build without a SAS HBA/RAID adapter.
Skyhawk is designed for multiple threads of constant writes onto the disk. It's not really good performance for the value, since they're more expensive than the regular 7200rpm desktop drives they sell.
Justin Hill
Hello /PCBG/!
I am building a Vidya/Streaming/youtube rig and I need some advice:
I haven't bought a computer in over 10 years, so I'm going as top of the line as I can... however I don't want to stray too far above a budget of $3000.00
My first question is this: Do I sink half (or more) of my funds into an intel I7 6950X, or go for the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X at nearly 1/3 of the price? pros and cons would be nice as I am neither an intel nor an AMD fanboy and don't really understand the differences between the two chipset archetectures past the ratings on3dmark (which put the AMD at only slightly slower for the money)
Brandon Ramirez
The Ryzen 7 1700X, without a doubt. It is cheaper than either of your choices and can be overclocked to match the 1800X. The difference in encoding times is not negligible between the 6950X and the 1800X, but you can buy more equipment and hardware to speed up your work elsewhere in doing so.
Thomas Hill
6950X for the processor alone, is 1600 dollars.
An 1800X gives you 99% of the performance, for less than 500 dollars.
Tyler Howard
can either of you explain why the 6950x is so much more expensive than the 1800x? Is AMD prone to bugs like my friend says, or is intel just playing off of it's popularity/marketshare? OR, is intel actually a superior product in some way that's substantial?
Jacob Anderson
The 6950X offer more PCIe lanes from the CPU, more memory channels for higher total capacity and faster transfer rate, and has two more cores. That aside, Intel is free to charge however much they want for their components. My understanding is that the dies Intel uses to make all of the Core i7 and Xeon E5-16XX are the same and thus rely on the quality of yields. The 6950X and E5-1680 are all highest quality yields since the silicon needs to be flawless for all cores to operate with lower voltages. That's one of the reasons why it costs so much.
Ryzen, by comparison, is a third of the size of the 6950X's. Smaller die combined with absurdly high yields (something like 80% of Ryzen dies come out fine, which is very rare for a new process) means that AMD can sell Ryzen 7s for much less than their Intel counterparts. But the reason why the die is so small is because they cut a lot of features and connectivity to make it cheaper.
Carter Cruz
There's no reason for most people who would make use of HEDT performance to not go with ryzen purely on value but intel HEDT is better in some areas like memory bandwidth size it supports quad channel memory and I remember seeing some shit I didn't fully understand about intel being better at some obscure instructions, but at the end of the day broadwell-X and ryzen 7 are both consumer devices so within that scope the AMD performance is appropriate and in value for money right now it's got a massive lead
Jacob Evans
Alright. Got a couple of questions. First: >can I OC Ryzen 5 1600X or potentially 1700 to 3.9+ GHz without going too high on temps with the Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 cooler >give me a yes or no and an estimate on temps if you can for each And.... >does the Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING have dual bios? >inb4 google, i did for both. For mobo question it said support for dual bios. Im guessing yes, but "support" makes me uncertain
Angel Hill
>Cooler Master MasterAir Pro 4 cooler Yes, but I can't guarantee that it will hit 3.9GHz. You're lucky if you get 3.8GHz on all cores. Temperature isn't the issue with Ryzen, it's the frequencies the cores want to maintain. At worst, you're looking at 3.7GHz on all cores at about mid 50 degrees Celsius at room temperature with the fan running at 100%. Add about 7-10 degrees for 75% fan speed.
Cameron Kelly
>does the Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING have dual bios And yes, it does support dual BIOS, but I believe you have to back up both profiles on a flash drive after setting them because I only see one BIOS chip on the board. That might mean that it stores the BIOS profiles on a non-volatile flash somewhere on the motherboard rather than in a second BIOS chip
Kayden Ward
I need to buy a new external hard drive soon. My two current ones are around 7 years old and I haven't looked into hard drives since when I bought them. Is Seagate still a brand to avoid? As I'm noticing WD drives are slightly more expensive and of course I would like to save money where I can, though stability is worth the price if I need to spend more. And are 4TB drives stable or would it be better to buy 2x2TB?
Daniel Barnes
Noise is absolutely no problem. I live next to a fucking train and under a plane flight pattern. Ive actually seen my house from a plane back to the closest airport. I lived next to fucking crackhead neighbors for as long as ive been in my neighborhood, which is many years. Thyve hsd many a party thats gone on too long too loud at night. I sleep just fine. I just dont want to be cooking. Goddamn it. I hope not
Connor Kelly
So there's sage wars between different camps of shills now?
Eli Brooks
Yes, but unlike the cowards who fled to their safespace, I will continue to answer questions factually.
Seagate Expansions are cheap and alright. The Seagate Backup Hubs are literally the same exact drives in a different enclosure with a price uptick. I've been using one on and off for the last two years without a hitch. What are you looking to do with the external drive?
Leo Rodriguez
>Goddamn it. I hope not That's not a big deal. You can buy a second or third BIOS chip on ebay for literal pennies. And all motherboard manufacturers do this for their cheaper motherboards to reduce costs and save space on the PCB.
Does this upgrade make sense? I only play older games (and some Doom.MSG V).
Aaron Howard
>pcpartpicker.com/list/Y8p2Gf Yes, although I'll argue that the GTX 1050 is slightly better than the RX 560 in older APIs due to Radeon driver's higher CPU overhead.
Jason Roberts
>As I'm noticing WD drives are slightly more expensive Yeah, that's why I don't buy WD external drives. You either buy the cheapest drive you can get away with. Then you stress test it when it arrives by doing a full format (with sector scans), encrypt the drive in place, and then perform a full drive wipe within the first 48 hours to see if anything happens with near 100% load in the first few hours of its life. Statistically, a drive malfunction from the factory reveals itself with 95% regularity within its first 100 hours of its life. Once it passes this gauntlet, your drive is pretty much past the point where any obvious or serious fault would normally occur.
But consider buying an external hard drive dock instead. All of the manufactured external drives have shitty power delivery systems, poorly-built USB controllers, or both. The power delivery component is the leading cause of external hard drive failures outside of hard impacts or physical trauma. Most +$40 external drive docks have slightly better power delivery, but do what I did and buy a RAID or multi-bay external hard drive enclosure. They tend to have much beefier components to deal with a larger power drain over time.
Tyler Thompson
So I'm planning on building a new system, and I'd like to use water cooling instead of air cooling. However, I haven't ever used water cooling and everyone I talk to tells me that I'm going to 'regret it' if i try to build it myself because of leaks and water damage etc. Is water cooling that hard to set up?
Also, is it possible to have a completely sealed system using water cooling, to protect against dust damage? For some reason my computers tend to gather a LOT of dust, and I'm in a hot climate so you can imagine the problems i have normally. (no, I'm not a smoker, but yes I do have pets, so i have an idea where the dust comes from)
Matthew Gonzalez
It's easy if you're mechanically minded. There's a few AIO's that are fully made, just mount to the CPU and case that perform better than current Air coolers. Corsair GTX being one of them. No you can't really have a closed system. but you can have a lot less air flow through the case if yo externally mount the radiator with enough space to draw from air outside(spacers under the mount to keep it off the case, then tape the hole). You will still need cool air going through the case for the graphics card and RAM. But should be able to get away with one 120mm intake, and one 120mm out take. AIO's should have a failure warranty, where they're liable for any and all damage caused. Not the case with custom made loops, unless it's physically the part, not so much a leaky connection because it's hard to prove that it wasn't user error.
AIO's are also very reliable because of the payouts they'd have to make if they fail.
For any further questions post in this thread linked. This is not an active thread due to frivolous marketing done via the OP.
Carter Gonzalez
Do people here HONESTLY believe that having shit like Discord open in the background interferes with gaming performance? What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? It's 2017 not 2001.
Matthew Lee
>Is water cooling that hard to set up? It's annoying, not hard. Getting all the right fitting, cutting the tubs to the right length without putting too much strain on different fitting, topping off the water level inside the reservoir without getting air bubbles trapped somewhere in the system, and then having to bleed the system dry to replace the fluid every 2-6 months is a hassle. >is it possible to have a completely sealed system using water cooling, to protect against dust damage No, the only way to have a truly dust-proof system is to remove the dust from the environment. There was a protoype case I saw with a built-in HEPA filter for your type of situation, but I don't know if they even made it into production. Your absolute best bet to minimize dust intake is cover any seam on the case with foam tape from the inside, reduce the number of fans taking air into the case, and to dust the area around your computer every day. Fan filters do exist, but having used some in the past, I can safely say that it prevent dust from getting into the fan, but not anywhere around it.
As for your current situation, I'd recommend a regular tower air cooler only because it's a lot easier to clean with compressed air compared to getting dust out of those tiny spaces between a radiator fin. Let's start by minimizing dust intake by looking for a case with as few bottom and top intakes or seams as possible. Look for a case with a covered front intake, preferably with a removable front filter. Only have one or two fans as intakes in the front, and one fan at the rear exhausting. Buy the thinnest window sealant foam tape, then plug up those panel gaps by removing all the case panels and taping any part where metal-meets panel. Do the same with any obvious exterior gaps, but use regular tape for regular gaps or holes. You should also buy fan gaskets to mount between your fan and the case.
Ryan Green
Not only will you cut down on dust ingress significantly by doing so, but you will also experience much less noise as much of the sounds from a computer case is caused by the fans vibrating against the case panels.
I'd also consider investing in an air compressor with a humidity trap rather than buying cans of compressed air, since you'll need to clean the inside of the case every week or so. Vacuum or dust daily around the outside of the case, or twice a day if your filters turn white and hairy within two days. Clean your front filter once you can see more white than the filter's original color.
Apart from building a clean room and putting your computer in there, there is not much else you can do for dust control.
Ian Cook
>This is not an active thread due to frivolous marketing done via the OP. Go fuck yourself, there is no marketing going on apart from the rampant AMD shilling in your thread.
Jack Lee
The AMD marketing is strong in the other thread. They're trying to convince people that a quad-core can't run games at 1080p without stuttering when Core i7s have been doing that for almost a decade now.
Daniel Moore
So do you think it's worth it, instead, to simply avoid water cooling altogether and go for an Air cooled system instead? I've done some reading about those massive cooling radiators that they're strapping to CPUs now and how the weight of them is slowly ripping the mounts off of mobos and causing damage. Is this true? Should I be going for a non conventional 'side laying' case if this is an issue?
also, I was watching this video youtube.com/watch?v=g8EN3K-eaVA&spfreload=1 (sorry if the channel is shitty, I just take info from wherever I can) talking about positive vs negative airflow and was contemplating a positive airflow solution with filtered fans. since you have experience with filtered fans, do you think it would work?
Liam Fisher
i bought this pc with the intention of upgrading the graphics card from the r7 350 2gb to the gtx 1070
im pretty tech illiterate and new to this pc gaming thing
Wyatt Edwards
>Is this true? I think you mean air coolers, and for the most part decent air cooler manufacturers build strong brackets that can distribute the load on the PCB a lot more evenly. The only reason why I'd recommend an air cooler for your situation is because you're going to be dealing with a lot of dust and dander, and it's a lot easier getting dust out of spaced surfaces on a heatsink than the tiny fins of an AIO radiator. >positive airflow solution with filtered fans Normally, I'd say yes, and that's pretty much the solution I offered in my previous post. The only issue is if your front fan filter doesn't filter out most of the incoming dust.
The best way to keep a case dust-free is to manage the dust outside of the case before it gets a chance to enter your system. Dust and clean regularly.
Aiden Gonzalez
Also forgot to mention, whats the minimum integrated graphics that will drive a 4k monitor? Just for daily use.
Carson Gonzalez
First off, they put an overclockable CPU in a motherboard that can't do overclocking at all. You'll need to buy a new motherboard if you want to take advantage of that processor, otherwise you should find a non-K i5 prebuilt for less money.
And yes, you can swap out the graphics card to a GTX 1070, but make sure that the PSU that comes with the system can handle the extra power drain and has the needed PCIe power connectors. That's a fairly terrible power supply that comes with that prebuilt.
Gabriel Rogers
The 7870 is the same GPU as the R9 280X. I think you need to consider purchasing a used GTX 970 or R9 290X in order to truly "upgrade" from a 7870.
What's your budget?
>whats the minimum integrated graphics that will drive a 4k monitor Any current Intel HD Graphics or AMD APU R5 Graphics.
Justin Rodriguez
Sorry, that's any current Intel or AMD APU that supports HDMI2.0 or DisplayPort 1.2, so basically any modern Intel or AMD system.
Isaac Fisher
i called new egg directly and they said there should be no problems
the psu said that its 600w and the 1070 only needs 500
Gavin Peterson
I bet you can find a cheaper i5 pre-built for about $100 less on newegg. That's my only real objection to that particular PC, since it seems like CyberpowerPC is trying to dupe people into pay $100 more for a single part that can't even be utilized properly on their product. >the psu said that its 600w and the 1070 only needs 500 The PSU is an 80+ rated non-mod made by some OEM-only supplier with a bad reputation. The PSU could handle up to 600W, but I doubt the supplier bothered testing the PSU after manufacturing, nor did CPPC test them after delivery. That system will probably use no more than 400W at maximum load, but do you trust the PSU to hold it's end of the bargain when that time comes? I don't.
Juan Sullivan
>7870 is the same GPU as the R9 280X wasn't the 280x a rebranded 7970 ghz?
Julian Hill
You know what, you're right. I think it was the R9 270X that was the rebranded 7870.
The 280X isn't as large of a performance jump compared to the 270X, and the R9 285/380 aren't faster than the 280X. If you can pick one up for under $100, then that's pretty good, but you have to remember that a lot of these GPUs were used in cryptocurrency mining rigs, so their lifespan is fairly limited.
My advice is to save your money and buy a new GPU for about $150. You can buy an RX 470 for that price and that's about double the performance of an R9 270X.
Benjamin Smith
Air coolers huh, do you mean like a Scythe SCFM-1000 Fuma?
One of the reasons I had planned on going to water cooling for this system was because of clearance issues with the CPU heatsink and adjacent Ram sticks.
just to clear things up, I'm as well, and I'm trying to build up a system with that budget. I'd be willing to throw another grand if necessary but I really would like to keep it under 3k just because.. well.. I had to save for nearly half a year just to get this far and I'd really like to start actually putting stuff out there on twitch/youtube rather than waiting any longer.
Is there any way, do you think, to put together a system that will allow me to get ...
>"1440p/4K Gaming, 1080p Livestreaming (AAA), Live video encoding to HEVC/VP9" etc.. ?
I've been planning around these specs from a youtuber that I watch, but he's got far more disposable cash than I:
CPU: Intel i7 6950X CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 ti RAM: 32GB DDR4 (4x8) Corsair Vengence 3000Mhz Motherboard: ASUS X99-A II PSU: Corsair RM850W SSD(s): Samsung M.2 960 PRO SSD 512GB (OS) Samsung 850 EVO 1TB (Programs, Games and Recording) Case: Corsair 750D OS: Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
The thing is, he quoted his system at $5K so I'm trying to chip away at things to bring costs down.
Leo Ross
well the pc is already on the way so its too late to stop it now
what if i was to get a gtx 1060 instead? it only requires 400w, would i be safe then?
Thomas Martinez
>SSD(s): Samsung M.2 960 PRO SSD 512GB (OS) >Samsung 850 EVO 1TB (Programs, Games and Recording) chip away at these, total waste.
Alexander Smith
>but he's got far more disposable cash than I: That's fairly overkill for a start-up Youtuber. You don't throw money into a computer like that unless you're making an income off of it and the reduced time between uploading videos can mean losing a few thousand dollars in ad revenue.
Give me a minute, I'll fix that build
Gabriel Johnson
What's the best b350 Mobo for getting a Ryzen 1600x to 4ghz and ram speed at 2933mghz?
Noah Martin
Getting Ryzen's memory controller to work with any DDR4 DIMM above 2666 seems to be a crap shoot at the moment. I'd say Gigabyte and ASRock's higher-end B350 motherboards are a good place to look, but I'll make no guarantees that you'll be able to get higher than 2666MHz on those.
You'll probably also have a tough time getting 4.0GHz out of a 1600X on any motherboard.
Jaxson Murphy
Should I just go x370 then?
Jacob Stewart
No, a B350 will be just fine. Using an X370 motherboard won't change anything if your CPU's silicon is just crap. Look for one of the high-end B350 boards and pray.
Matthew Bennett
pcpartpicker.com/list/3tnVPs Alright, you might not like the screen downgrade I did here, but trust me when I say this: running three monitors at mixed refresh rates is a fucking nightmare to work with on a normal day. A single ultrawide 1440p monitor is a perfect stopgap until ultrawide 2160p monitors become more affordable. Also, don't fall for the 144Hz meme if you're not playing competitive eSports. Your gameplay won't suffer and your viewers are going to be stuck watching your videos at 30 or 60FPS.
Also, 5TB seems like a lot, and it is. That's more than enough room for saving raw footage, finished videos, and an entire game library on it, and still having room for other things.
Luis Ortiz
Wow... ok let me take a look at this for a minute.
Sebastian Sullivan
Let me know what exactly you're looking to do with this build. What games do you plan on streaming? Where do you plan on streaming? What software are you going to use? What bitrate are you going to record in? And anything else computer related that you might do.
Angel Lee
an i7 is 4c/8t, you retard. That has only been said in regards to i5s, which are 4c/4t, and it's true.
Juan Walker
jeez you really took some time on this! I didn't even know about this build site either. Then again I'm not a Sup Forums regular so please forgive my ignorance lol.
The build needs to be strong enough to stream even graphically intense games (i guess FPS's would be the upper end nowadays, crysis, Ark, etc) at as close to max settings as possible while still being able to get professional results on the viewer end. (up to and including 1080p HD for youtube videos, and smooth, 1080p(60) on platforms like twitch). I'll be honest, I'm new to the whole streaming/youtubing thing so I'm learning as I go, but I'd really like to make a go of this. (eventually, if I could do this full time it would be amazing. As it is I would just do it whenever I get home from work) So forgive me if I don't exactly know the bitrate stuff atm.
But I'll mostly be doing gaming, which is why I need the beefy rig. Regular videos/vlogs etc dont take much computer power to transfer I'm sure.
Btw, email me at this throwaway please, I really appreciate you taking the time to walk me through this.
>at as close to max settings as possible while still being able to get professional results on the viewer end Youtube's encoding will ruin whatever details are in the captured footage (they are usually below 4500 kbps for 1080p footage, which makes most fast-moving scenes look blocky and irregular), so forget about preserving texture quality outside of slow-paced scenes or still images. The only way around this is to upload high bitrate x264-encoded videos at a high quality preset and hope Youtube's reencoding software doesn't fuck things up even more. You'll need to toy around with the settings to get the best possible video quality at the smallest file size, since uploading will take a significant amount of time. >1080p(60) on twitch Not happening until you get partnered, which could take time. Your best bet is to stream at 720p 30FPS at the maximum 3500 kbps bitrate allowed by twitch for non-partnered users. That might seem like a downgrade, but it's the highest-quality video setting you can get away with without going below HD.
Either case, live encoding requires a lot of grunt, as does running most modern games. The R7 1700X can pull both tasks off, and the only way to get better results is to use a two-computer set up where you have one dedicated gaming system (an i7-7700K fits the bill) connected to a encoding and recording PC (the R7 1700 works here) that does the live encoding and uploading to twitch or Youtube while encoding and recording a separate stream onto a local drive. But as you can tell, that costs a lot more money, since you'll need to invest in a $400 HDMI 2.0 capture card, an HDMI 2.0 splitter, and an entire computer on top of that.
>Regular videos/vlogs etc dont take much computer power to transfer I'm sure. They do take
Evan Nguyen
You really don't need a high end CPU on a dedicated streaming machine. I'm pretty sure that dual core Pentium could pull it off.
Joseph Perez
Can anyone tell me if I need to upgrade my mobo? I picked the cheapest one that was compatible with my PSU because I know that I won't be overclocking and I trust ASRock, I just want to make sure I'm not missing out on any important features or capabilities down the road.
>Regular videos/vlogs etc dont take much computer power to transfer I'm sure They do take processing power to render to a Youtube or livestreamable format, since you'll have to re-encode the video source down to an h.264 4:2:0 format video. Most cameras already do this, but higher end 4K capable cameras have their own settings that requires a bit of live encoding to make it streamable to twitch.
It will need to do both streaming and recording, because using archived footage from twitch or Youtube to make a video out of will lead to significant downgrade in quality. It will also need to be able to edit and process videos as quickly as possible in order to keep up with a daily video upload schedule (which draws the most viewership and ad-revenue on Youtube, if I'm not mistaken). This set up could allow him to both livestream from the gaming PC and encode past videos on the R7 1700 PC at the same time.
