/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5 >R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC >i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks >R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc >1050Ti at ~$105. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games >1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA) >1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@100+hz >1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz. >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings >Freesync2 & Vega soon
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs >Computex in a few days, wait for it
What 4 TB hard drive should I get? Speed isn't very important, I just need a reliable drive for as low a price as possible.
Kayden Davis
Which of these two would you pick? - Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 for ~125 USD - MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON for ~147 USD These are the only B350s featuring the better Realtek ALC1220 audio. The MSI also has Intel LAN which should be better but as neither feature wifi, it probably doesn't make any difference in my case because I'll have to buy some additional wireless card. The MSI has obviously better phases, better vrm cooling etc, but is it worth the higher price?
Jace Bell
don't buy any What a shill fucking OP How much is AMD paying you?
Isaiah Nelson
B250 offers better audio and Ethernet NIC from the same manufacturers across the board. You'll need to pay more for the X370 to get more options.
Justin Murphy
Weston Digital Blue seems to be the go to option. A thousand or two have been in theses thread, and not to my memory a single complaint. Roughly $110 four 4tb. As opposed to your ravings of a madman.
Kevin Martin
>intel no thanks
Carter Thompson
I see nothing shill-related in that OP post, the second one is just opinionated, but not inaccurate. No mentions of any Ryzen CPUs though.
Nolan Lee
Depends, overclocking go the MSI. but if you're running stock as a rock the AB board should suffice. For your WiFi it's best to use a card if you're over 10mb/s connection. If greater than 25mb/s you'll need a 5Ghz card, AKA dual band. Check your router to make sure it's also dual band, code should be 802.blah.blah c.
Adrian Ward
>WD Blue LOL no Toshiba X300 4TB, or the X300 5TB for $15 more.
Daniel Sanders
Depends on if you want to overclock and which CPU you're getting. You should be able to OC moderately with a 6 core on the gigabyte. The VRMs are suck but there's still 4+3 phases of them so they should be able to handle that much but you will probably kill it with an OC'd 8 core. The MSI board will be able to overclock an 8 core though
Jaxson Diaz
>What a shill fucking OP >How much is AMD paying you? Jesus christ how stupid do you have to be? This OP has been made and edited my multiple persons throughout all the threads There's no fucking shilling in there, you're just autistic
Leo Lewis
I'm a bit poor so I made the Ryzen 5 1600 choice and overclock I think I'm leaning more towards the MSI, but then the Gigabyte has dual bios and power outages happen quite often in the shithole I live in. Internet is adsl "up to" 10 Mb/s, in reality around 6 Mb/s.
Hunter Moore
What a fucking liar. Those motherboards simply don't have the headroom to push 80% of Ryzen 5 1500X to 3.7GHz, let alone Ryzen 5 1600X to the same level. The mosfet quality on most B350 motherboards are Chink-tier or worse and will give out because board makers don't give a flying fuck about how long those components last. If you push more than 1.3V through one of their boards and try to RMA them when they do die in half a year, they'll tell you to fuck off and buy another one.
Pay more for a X370 and you'll alleviate most of those issues. The B350 is a horrible choice for overclocking, just like those Z270 motherboards that sell for under $140.
Carter Baker
I got an R7 1700 & Asus Prime b350m-a and can oc at 3.7GHz stable under prime95
Nolan Davis
>ASUS Prime Oh, you mean the motherboard that can't use memory faster than 2400MHz without shitting the bed? And is apparently such a known issue that ASUS customer service ask people what RAM kits their customers are using when they troubleshoot overclocking issues?
Ethan Reyes
What am I doing wrong? Why is my build so much more expensive when compared to others? pcpartpicker.com/list/NsYGYr
I intend to use it for playing video games at medium settings on 1080p.
Alexander Robinson
I missed a post. Go to the thread, it's all from as the OP. If you're interested to go back further he's been trying to hijack for a while now. Congratulations on your first successful recommendation :D Dual bios is handy for setting up your overclock so you don't have to clear CMOS should you 'hard brick'. It should have overclock profiles that you can save setting to, that way you can quick swap between power saving and high performance profiles you've made. >6Mb/s You can get away with a wireless dongle thingo. Like $5. But I wouldn't expect it not to fuck up on you while tearing through data. They have a tendency to overheat. Can get you through most gaming.
I can't help you with power outages other than suggesting a 1500X. But you've already got a pretty low consumption chip, unless the cost of power there is high.
Blake Rodriguez
3.7GHz is stock for a 1500X, and if they didn't have enough headroom to completely max out a 1500X they wouldn't be able to run Ryzen 7. The rest of your points are so off base and laden with hyperbole that they're not even worth responding to.
Asher Young
Which build is better if gaming is not that important
>What am I doing wrong? What games do you normally pay? The Ryzen 5 1500X is a poor choice compared to other CPUs for gaming.
You have a very expensive cooler that performs about the same as a $25-40 cooler from a non-poo brand You're using a motherboard that also has known RAM issues past 2666MHz and still hasn't gotten the latest BIOS update that AMD rolled out weeks ago (but at least you're using RAM that works). You're paying $100 for a full-tower case when most mATX cases are about $30-40. And you don't need a 80+ Gold rated PSU.
Nicholas Thompson
You don't need a separate CPU cooler, the 1500X comes with a pretty decent one in box. The PSU is overkill as hell and the RX570 can do 1080p at high/max let alone medium settings. That's where I'd start trying to cut costs at least.
Ian Russell
>it's all from as the OP Funny, that isn't me. Nice accusation though.
Jeremiah Fisher
Yes, that one. Next agesa will see improvements though. The previous bios updates could reach 2600MHz (or plus?) easily but the agesa fucked this up.
Adrian Flores
>pcpartpicker.com/list/NsYGYr You can get away with a cheaper CPU cooler (or the included one with the CPU if it comes with one), a cheaper case, and maybe a cheaper PSU (though I'd keep the one you've got, I've had cheap PSUs burn out).
Cameron Reed
3.7GHz is its Boost clock, you fucking moron >i don't have anything to dispute those claims, so I'll dismiss it as hyperbole noice
Gavin Gonzalez
>he Ryzen 5 1500X is a poor choice compared to other CPUs for gaming. How so? The R5 1600 is a neat CPU but it doesn't mean the others are bad. The 1500x is a fine CPU even though it's 4 core because of SMT.
Parker Turner
If you were using a i5-7600K and a Z270 motherboard, then you wouldn't be having ANY of those issues, senpai
James Walker
You don't need this CPU cooler (in fact you don't need any) and with the money saved by removing it you could up to an R5 1600 instead
Blake Rivera
the point about power outages was related to the dual bios thing, so as to not brick the board while flashing updated bios
Connor Ramirez
I've heard Toshiba have awful warranty policies though.
The Core i5-7500 costs roughly the same, but performs better in nearly all AAA titles. The Ryzen 5 1600 has more cores at similar clock speeds. The quad-core Ryzens are DOA options that should never have been released until Ryzen can figure out how to electrically disable half the cores in their CCX without creating stability issues.
Brody Campbell
The g4560 build would be better at gaming but outside of gaming you don't really need such an expensive GPU or 4c8t (R5 1400) The g4560 would be better for money saving purposes.
Xavier Murphy
Failure rate isn't that bad tho.
Isaiah Reyes
They do, but they're cheap and roughly the same price as WD Blues (which are 5400rpm drives). X300s are roughly equivalent to WD Blacks in performance, but just as loud.
Read the whole post before spamming your videos again, you moron. And yes, you are spamming.
Justin Phillips
>3.7GHz is its Boost clock Oh yeah so it is. Also it's just impossible to convince you otherwise, i could point out the people running ryzen 7s and ryzen 5 OCs with that exact board but then you'll respond with "well those are going to die in 6 months" and neither of us have enough information to prove our points. My logic is that if the VRMs can handle the strain of an 1800X a ~3.7-3.8GHz 1600 probably isn't going to be a suicide overclock for such a board but you don't seem to think that makes any sense.
Bentley Gutierrez
I've read every single of your autistic posts, but you can't even bothered to watch my videos. You make claims, those videos debunk your claims, end of the story.
Jason Perez
The person to who you replied to here: Which motherboard and PSU would you suggest?
Christopher Peterson
pcpartpicker.com/list/JbChLD Here, it's still not ideal but it's a decent start to getting the price back down to earth.
Joseph Morgan
Actually he was claiming the 7500 was faster than the 1500X and was arguing a 1600 was a better buy. You clearly didn't read his autistic posts.
Bentley Sanders
I recommended either the i5-7500 (which is still the better overall choice) AND the Ryzen 5 1600 (which is the bare minimum choice of the entire line-up without falling into buyer's rermorse territory fullstop). And you're jumping accusations like a paranoid shill. Is AMD cutting your wage again? Are you feeling the pressure from your corporate masters to shift more outmodeled and gimped Ryzen 5s? Poor you.
Buy a cheap motherboard for overclocking and you'll pay the price in under a year. This has been true for decades on both CPUs. B350s have the same low or poor-quality mosfet and chokes as cheap Z270 options meant for pre-built builders and budget users who will not overclock.
>he's now resorting to cherrypicked benchmarks JUST
Isaac Garcia
Okay, but you totally didn't know that's what he was saying and even turned around and claimed you'd read the entire reply chain when he pressed you on it.
Ian Baker
>is given evidence his opinions are wrong >CHERRYPICKING sounds like an assblasted Intel/Trump dick sucker. So what's your plan to "Make Intel great Again"
Jack Walker
My bad, for some reason they decided to do a bios update that didn't include agesa, even though they did a beta bios including it 6 days ago
Austin Jackson
Look at the price on the X370 motherboard, the memory kit used with the Ryzen 5 system, and then compare it to the overall cost of the i5 system. It's a hundred dollars worth of difference just to eek out a barely insignificant advantage over a stock-clocked and cheaper i5 system.
Henry Garcia
>>he's now resorting to cherrypicked benchmarks I literally just searched for benchmarks that showed actual recorded footage of the benchmark with Afterburner stats being shown, because that's a much better way to compare CPUs in games than looking at a graph most of the time. Just because it doesn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's cherrypicked.
Henry Wilson
Should I change anything on here?
Leo Cruz
I'd recommend getting a better cooler (the 7700k heats quite a lot at times) Also could save some money on going for a non-samsung SSD
Alexander Nguyen
See That reviewer had to pay much more than the equivalent i5 system just to get performance parity. If that's not cherrypicking to an extreme, then I don't know what is.
Colton Fisher
Thanks for the suggestion, your builds price is vastly better than the one of my build.
Josiah Sullivan
>pay attention to me samefagging myself! >I swear I'm right
SSD choice is purely based on lower price. (ideal price to gb/lifetime) You won't notice any speed differences in consumer usage.
Henry Ortiz
Thanks
Luis Morris
>Oh, but it's strange how they don't ever test out older AAA and MOBA games that people still play in their millions... Stop being paranoid acting like everyone is partaking in brand wars, they aren't.
Jayden Cox
Oh and get a HyperX Cloud II if you don't have any peripherals (assuming you don't based on the kb+m pickup)
Samuel Bailey
Ditch the case for a cheaper one. Phantek's own P400 is half the price and offers similar build quality. And Corsair keyboards seem to suffer from failing backlights after a few months. Also >SATA-M.2 He might as well buy a regular MX300 that's $20 cheaper.
Caleb Bennett
Ram speed is listed, it's 2400MHz, with an Asus Prime b350m-a. The intel system has a Asus Z170-P.
Luis Nguyen
If you're really looking for just medium settings like you said, you could drop it even further by replacing the RX570 with a 560 or a 1050ti. I'm less up to speed on lower end cards though so I don't know which ones the better buy.
Ian Martinez
>already bought all parts except gpu and ram >want to buy rx 580 >can't because it's all sold out T-thanks AMD.
Hunter Martin
But it's not $20 cheaper, user. Price was sorted by GB/$. It's on sale or the prices are fluctuating, as they literally always do. Did you even read where I said I chose it purely on price?
Oliver Turner
Not giving benchmarks on the most popular MOBA titles in the world seems a little shady if you ask me. It's a given that Intel simply performs better in DOTA2, Starcraft, LoL, Overwatch, Rocket League, and other mainstream titles. Even when streaming to twitch, the Core i5-7500 offers a higher average FPS than the R5 1600 does. I should know, I've tried both systems and came away with the same results with different MOBA and AAA titles.
Nathaniel Hernandez
Dont worry, Vega will be out Soon™
Carson Clark
It's listed as $159.99, but Micro Center had them on sale for $139.99. Am I missing something here?
Hudson Jackson
>I swear I'm not a shill guys! Promise!
Aiden Parker
None of the motherboards are worth it right now. Asus hasn't released their top of the line board yet.
Ryder Stewart
What is a good speaker?
Jose Nguyen
1050's are rock bottom. But they trade blows with 460's. They're capable cards for a lot of 1080, but in that price range you should aim for longevity. And there's not much resale value even now. I can't recommend either. unless you want an in-between card you can keep as a backup should shit go south in future.
If you see yourself buying something else in 6/12 months time, go for that. But if you want it to last longer go for a 570/580.
David Perry
Need a good desk that can fit and show off my mid size tower. It has a window so I want to be able to look at all the pretty internals.
Levi Thomas
And ASUS won't if they know what's good for their business.
Cooper Williams
Can't really help you with that. No because we're a PC thread, but because things may not exist where you are. But still, try out (battle station thread) They should have a few ideas for you. Avoid the Herman miller shill.
You forgot to add that you need at least $150 ram to achieve this with ryzen
Oliver Gomez
>uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NcNmpb If you're going to use 2133MHz RAM, then you might as well buy an H110 motherboard. All of the ones in stock have the BIOS update that lets them use Kaby Lake CPUs. >802.11n adapter Do you not have an ac WAP? Because that's a bit expensive for a n receiver
Luis Campbell
Nah, it's there. Bottom left.
Nathan Ortiz
Where? You mean the reservoir?
Grayson Gonzalez
All three videos in the post show specs in the description, and naturally they don't align with your claims. Time to leave the thread.
Nicholas Carter
It was recommended by someone before and I haven't looked into wireless adapters, any cheap ones you'd recommend?
Caleb Diaz
What router/WAP do you have at home? Look at this twat What a salty cunt he is
Zachary Butler
Of the board... The fuck... Are they really cooling the 3.3v regulator? Guess the pump is at the back.
Juan Powell
Found it.
Christian Evans
It's the TalkTalk HG633, which is 802.11ac
Carson Nguyen
System: Windows 10 AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2Ghz Asus PRIME B350M-A Intel i5 7600 3.5Ghz Asus Z170-P GTX 1060 6gb 16Gb RAM
>16Gb RAM You don't need to know how much that 3600Mhz RAM costed, goy. However cheaper ryzen is, in the end ryzen system will cost more, as it requires high speed ram. And mostly specific high speed ram.
Jordan White
Oh nice, you proved that the RAM was uncertain instead of the $150 that other guy claimed, thank you Thank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz, proving you wrong.
Jace Butler
There are cheaper or similarly priced 802.11ac adapters you can use, although I'll recommend sticking with ethernet over any wifi.
Kevin Sullivan
>Thank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz, proving you wrong. Only they indicated the same vague >16Gb RAM I hope you at least are getting payed for spamming these threads with same shit everyday, and openly lying to anons. Every non retard knows - intel can work well with any ram. Amd requires high speed ram from with specific chips. All in all, amd system will cost more due to expensive ram. And then that ram won't work at specified speeds, as is now the case with 90% of ryzen users.
Grayson Hall
>hank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz There is a bug with some ASUS BIOS that reports the wrong RAM speed on any monitoring software. 2400MHz is the default speed related to this issue, so it could be a 1-in-100000 luckyass motherboard that can run 3200MHz stable, for all we know. You need to stop shilling right now. It is against the board's rules.
Andrew Cooper
even though this is amd central right now. Does amd install telemetry with their drivers like nvidia does for some reason right now?
Oliver Peterson
100% fresh new ryzen 5 1600 build keeps freezing after installing win 10 (b350 wouldn't let me install windows 7 cool your jets). RAM is compatible, just lowered it from 2400mhz to 2133mhz. I installed all the drivers that came with the disc, should I look for an updated chipset driver?
Julian James
obv update bios
Asher Diaz
Have you run a memtest yet? The RAM could just be faulty.
Christopher Rodriguez
>i-it's totally not the right RAM speed guise! >i swear, just a bug! What fucking bug are you talking about? I own the fucking board that the Ryzen system is being tested You're just pulling things out of your ass
