/pcbg/ - PC Building General

/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks
>R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc
>1050Ti at ~$105. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
>1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@100+hz
>1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon

General:
>READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
>Computex in a few days, wait for it

Other urls found in this thread:

videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon RX 560&id=3708
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125975
geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de
geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-560-4gd5-11267-00-20g-a1615318.html?hloc=at&hloc=de
pcpartpicker.com/list/Zkvxd6
pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9NhLD
pcpartpicker.com/product/Ktzv6h/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a240g
pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25
pcpartpicker.com/list/sMXzd6
pcpartpicker.com/list/PbK9Yr
pcpartpicker.com/list/wdR3nn
pcpartpicker.com/list/nrYF9W
pcpartpicker.com/list/dHRPd6
pcpartpicker.com/list/hJg7Fd
pcpartpicker.com/list/g7GTxY
youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE
pcpartpicker.com/list/t7s43F
pcpartpicker.com/list/btWq8K
github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19
community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Is this the real thread or the butthurt drama thread by the guy who calls everybody a shill

This is the real thread, contains the same OP as all the previous ones

repost from old thread: videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon RX 560&id=3708
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125975
Passmark says 560s are 8x PCIe, product listing here says 16x. Can non-ref cards change the architecture like that, or is newegg's listing wrong, or what?

One of them is wrong but why does this matter to you? RX 560 is way to weak to come anywhere near the bandwidth limits of 8x regardless

would a z170 chipset mobo be efficient with a kabylake cpu after the bios update?

Alright ill post it in here too

I cleaned out dust on my cpu fan and the heatsink, when i put everything back together, my fan blade broke. I guess it settled in the dust and cleaning it fucked the bearings..

Went and bought a new one. It starts fine till it gets between 55c-63c and it shuts off. Im almost positive i installed it the same way as the other one. Any suggestions? My only other guess is new thermal paste

Only ever built once

The newegg one is 16x which can easily be seen looking at the PCIe connector

Yes. But you have to be 100% sure you'll be able to do that bios updates, which can't happen with kaby-lake CPUs.

Are you sure you didn't install the cooler wrong?
What cooler did you get? How much thermal paste?

I bought a i6 6700k with a maximus VIII ranger and the guys putting it together promised the bios update in case I want to upgrade to a kabylake cpu later
it's fine as long as 6700k is there then?

An i5 6700k is skylake so it won't need a bios update. If you want to upgrade to Kaby Lake later on you can always do the bios update yourself on your i5.
Also, why did you buy an i5?

i didn't buy an i5, 6700k is an i7

bros

geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

or

geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-560-4gd5-11267-00-20g-a1615318.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

Seagates HDD okay?

how do you pick a mobo? Is it worth paying 200$+? I'm only going to do some gaming at 1440p/144hz and some gamedev/programming. No fancy stuff (what even is fancy stuff anyway?).

Also do current mobos affect what kind of ram and cpu you can put in it or do they all support old and new types of both?

Oh right, you wrote i6 so i got confused and thought you meant i5.

Picture related is how the 560 performs.
I'd recommend getting a GTX 1050Ti because RX 560 is quite low end.

Yes

Its just a stock fan i replaced with an insignia brand 80mm. Just the same dc and what not. It plugs directly into the motherboard. The only difference is its 3 pins vs 4 skinnh lil shits.

It runs nice, i can hear it adjust. Should i flip it?

I didnt add new paste.

pcpartpicker.com/list/Zkvxd6

Is this PSU really adequate?

Get the correct socket with enough SATA for what you want.
Higher end mobo are only worth it if you plan on overclocking pretty high and don't want to keep crashing or melt your mobo, but in the case of ryzen it's efficient enough that they're not necessary under an 8 core.

a 16x connector doesn't mean running at 16x.

You pick a mobo based on overclocking & feature needs (SLI / Xfire, PCIelane, wifi, SATA ports, PCIe slots, etc)

>Also do current mobos affect what kind of ram and cpu you can put in it or do they all support old and new types of both?
Specific CPUs go into specific sockets. A b350 mobo is AM4 socket, so an AM3 CPU or Intel's LGA 1151 CPU won't go in there.
RAM depends on what the CPU support. If it supports DDR4 then only DDR4 can go in, if it supports DDR3 then only DDR3 can go in.

>I didnt add new paste.
You didn't put thermal paste between the CPU & cooler?
That's why it overheats then, always clean old thermal paste & put new one when changing cooler.
Preferably using some alcohol to make sure it all goes away.

No GPU can come anywhere near the bandwidth limits of 8x PCIe 3.0.
The 1080 only loses 4% at 4x even

Good to know that this doesn't matter, thanks

I thought i might gotten away with it, plus Shitbuy didnt have any paste at 830pm. As5 is the standard still?

Also whats the consensus on fans on the heatsink, blow air into it or out?

If I get 2 fans to put on a air cooler do I need a splitter cable for the cpu fan pin on my mb?

Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates

most modern motherboards have multiple fan headers

>Also whats the consensus on fans on the heatsink, blow air into it or out?
You blow air into it, that's the best way to carry it away.

So it's AMD approved?

pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9NhLD

How's this?

The cooler that comes with the Ryzen 5 1600 is good enough?

It has no brand approval.

No, I'm asking if the OP has AMD's Seal of Approval.

Thanks user

Could save money by going for either of these SSDs
pcpartpicker.com/product/Ktzv6h/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a240g
pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25
The stock cooler is good but only for slight OCs.

No.

Then what's the point? It's recommending too many Intel stuff, IMO

>Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates
STOP BULLYING HIM

>It's recommending too many X brands
Go away.

I had an xps 430 that went sideways, the morherboard is dead now but i still have it around collecting dust. Pic related

Also in pic, said fan that fucking ate it. In its installation configuration.

Thanks boys, ill get some paste and hope thats all it is.

so mobo+cpu+ram are all linked tightly together

well that's good to know.

>Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates

pcpartpicker.com/list/sMXzd6

First build in 6 years, please rate and give advice.

On loonix and in yurop if that matters.

It hurts me to see that fan damaged like that - those particular fans are absolute beasts.

Its ok user, im not learned enough in hardware. Not THAT stupid, only stupid enough to not put new paste.

Also my xps in previois post is sideways and thats a pc from 2008 if i recall

Ditch the cooler and get an R5 1500x instead, the 1400 is quite low end and has much less cache than the R5 1500x making it perform noticeably worse
The stock cooler is very quiet

I know, it turned on and spit the blade out and make terrible noises.

Big one works but not in my current pc, pic related is current pc.

Will do, the price difference between the 1400 and the 1500x is

Can someone suggest a mid tower case that has good cooling with minimal LEDs? Don't care too much about silence, would rather have better cooling.

pcpartpicker.com/list/PbK9Yr

Big one to check is if 1) the hyper evo inherently fits AM4 and 2) if not, is it worth the effort to bitch at coolermaster for a bracket?

It requires a bracket
Pretty much all cooler do, unless they have an AM3+ mounting mechanism

pcpartpicker.com/list/wdR3nn r8 or h8

>Is this PSU really adequate?
perfectly. Though you could step down to 80+ Bronze fully modular to save some money. That said, yea, that PSU is perfectly fine. Your system isn't gonna spike to 400 watts, let alone 500.

Can't find anything wrong. Decent build m8.

Is that expensive mobo needed?
Also, could save money by going for either of these SSDs
pcpartpicker.com/product/Ktzv6h/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a240g
pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25

What's the best place to buy pc parts in EU?

black NZXT S340. Just add a few fans to the front. Case doesn't come with them because it's built for water cooling.

are they fast?

Yes. Both very, very close in speed.

what do you do about the OS, specifically windows?

about to pull the trigger on this. Rate it please

pcpartpicker.com/list/nrYF9W

what about it?

pirate, OEM, etc?

barring installing gentoo, of course

and heres the case

Download official iso from official microsoft website then crack using KMSpico

Can anyone spoonfeed me a safe win 10 activator? been scouring the net and nothing seems very promising
>hahahahah windows 10
Have you ever used a god damn b350 motherboard? It's a nightmare.

r8 pls, I never really build PCs.

I'll probably be skimping on some bits to go a bit cheaper, as I was hoping to be lower than 800.

Budget is 500-800 or so, a mid-level "good" gaymin' PC, here's what I have for now.

pcpartpicker.com/list/dHRPd6

>It's a nightmare.
Why?
For the W10 activator there's KMSPico, you can get it on pirate bay.

newfag detected

pcpartpicker.com/list/hJg7Fd
If you want to OC in the future as both this CPU and motherboard allow for it
pcpartpicker.com/list/g7GTxY
If you don't care about it
No i5 because the R5 1500x is slightly better, and can be overclocked.
Video of i5 vs r5 1500x:
youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

If you can afford to build/upgrade a PC, why not a legit OEM key?

>why is it a nightmare
>666

Bruh, need I say more? This things cursed. Seriously tho, I couldn't install windows 7 without a ps/2 kb+m even using usb 2.0. So I had to use win 10

here.
pcpartpicker.com/list/t7s43F

Ehh I might try to OC but I feel like I'd be likely to fry my PC even though I'm told it's simple as shit nowadays.

>frying a computer because I try to OC it and fuck up
>My potential face when this hypothetical situation

can the Ryzen 5 work on win7?

I have around the same budget, but where I live the 1070 would be too expensive to fit in 800$ budget (with the same parts you recommended, no OC). So 1060 or 570? RX580 is 300$ here

This was the AMD one I was looking at.

pcpartpicker.com/list/btWq8K

No need for a SSD, I've already got a new-ish one I'll be recycling from my old PC.

those 20$ OEM keys you see are likely pirated keys.

What's adequate cooling if you live in south Florida, and ambient temps in the day are 90+?

Blasting AC 24/7 isn't logical, and it doesn't reach where I'd put the tower so no circulation.

Technically Ryzen & Kaby-Lake CPUs do work on W7, but you'll need to include mouse drivers in the windows USB & download something to unblock updates

github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19
community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port

Nope

how can you afford a nice computer and not afford air conditioning?

I mean full-on legit, not stolen.
10 Home is $100, is there a real reason why to avoid it?

Nothing about not affording it, the room I'd use it in doesn't have a vent to receive it.

And no it's not a basement. Just curious if I'd have to supplement cooling because I prefer to not have ambient noise.

Is there such thing as a trustworthy free VPN?

I have an i5 3570K, 1080p monitor and just ordered a GTX 1060 3GB

How fucked am i

because i'm not shilling microjew 150 CAD to spy on me

none

yah cause if you can't get AC and don't wanna spin the fans at 100 you'll probably need water cooling.

Ok cool

Is nvidia better for gaming and 570 for other purposes? Also freesync wouldn't be a dealbreaker with budget card

fair enough on the SSD, but I really would spring for the Asrock Pro 4 B350 motherboard. Unless you never plan on adding more ram for 16GB.

No brand is better than the other for gaming.

But is spending extra sheckels on 1060 worth the performance gains over 570

AMD and nvidia are basically identical in GPUs right now with only price brackets determining which you should go with, with the exception of the ultra low budget where power consumption becomes important in not blowing out a 250watt prebuilt's PSU

As5 or ceramique on cpu?

What's a good ATX tower for a mid tier build?

3GB version? no, it's not worth at all
6GB? At that point you reach RX 580 8GB pricepoint and it's generally a more appealing card
Yes, it's somewhat worth the extra shekel

NXZT S340

It is faster, yes.
If it's within your budget you can never go wrong with spending more on a GPU as long as that gpu is actually faster.

Why didn't you buy a two dollar mouse or something at a secondhand store if it's for the sake of avoiding Windows 10? It seems like a good investment to me.