pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5 >R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC >i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks >R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use >Threadripper/i9 soon
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for desktop stuff and very light game >1050Ti at ~$105. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games >1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA) >1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@100+hz >1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz. >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings >Freesync2 & Vega soon
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs >Computex in a few days, wait for it
Those looking for news on the ram issues with AM4 motherboards.
Isaac Morris
>i7-7700k - bad value but good Was this written by a manic with tourette's?
Carter Sullivan
Just add "for gaymes" at the end.
Ian Hughes
$325 (+ at least $30 cooler) for a 4 cores in 2017 is really shit. It's poor value. It has a strong point in that it can reach framerates that no other CPUs can, but that's about it.
Cameron Carter
is nixeus as good as their reputation seems to be?
but it uses that au optronics panel that has severe quality control issues, ive already returned 3 other monitors that used the same panel
Juan Robinson
Nobody should have to assume. The description isn't descriptive. >for a 4 cores Then specify "in core count". The statement "bad but good" doesn't tell you anything.
Running an RX580 8GB and Ryzen 5 1600. Problem is most of my games are capped at 60 frames (or lower) and it doesn't matter what settings I'm on. Vsync is always disabled, but I am using a 60hz monitor. Tried googling it but it seems like my problem's an isolated one. Anyone know what I can do? Does it somehow have to do with only having 8gb of ram?
Hunter King
Almost any B350 mobo will be fine as long as you dont go crazy on voltage. Asrock/ASUS boards are good for straining your VRM's with 1.4++
First time building a PC. Planning on some light streaming and video games. Nothing hardcore. Monitor listed is a planned secondary monitor that'll double as a television. Primary would likely be a 1440p.
Looking for general advice on if it's sound or not and any improvements I can make. Also I don't understand the compatibility note it gives me regarding the Cooler and the MOBO
Bentley Phillips
Which current monitor is the absolute king of motion clarity? Sick of using garbage tier 60hz PWM displays and thought I'd go straight for the best.
the problem at this point, is how powerful is your system? The current king of displays is an 8k monitor made by Dell, but you need a very powerful system to push to it effectively... and the monitor is like $5k.
Liam Harris
wut case
David Hughes
Learn how to read.
Easton Hughes
I did. You said you'd go straight to the best. I hope you have bank.
Leo Cook
he did, you said the best.
That is the best and the king of clarity.
Josiah Flores
Change the case, buy fractal. The rest is perfect.
Daniel Diaz
>motion clarity
Learn how to read.
Jonathan Garcia
it is. get over it. You asked for the best. Now open the wallet wide and let Daddy Dell take a thrust
Mason Ortiz
What would be a comparably priced cooler that doesn't need some sort of compatibility hookup to use?
Cooper Myers
What makes you think it isn't the king of motion clarity?
Carter Nguyen
there isn't one. Ryzen is new.
Jackson Ross
8k is the resolution. 5k is the price. You asked for the king of displays then bitched when presented with it.
Elijah Moore
Read the fuckin list mate. It tells you which CM cooler is compatible out of the box.
Liam Kelly
this one
Carter Edwards
so shit then
Jack Bailey
tell me why?
Jaxson Price
cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1JQEG1 Are there any ways that I can cut down the cost while still keeping it actually useful for gaming? Hard budget limit is 1100$, but I'd like to keep it below 1000$ if possible.
>non modular bays >unpainted aluminum interior >ketchup and mustard wiring >hideous fan mount on acrylic side glass
Caleb Diaz
What did they mean by this?
Austin Baker
I need a mouse Sup Forums
>~$40 >wired or wireless it doesn't matter >no gaymershit
Luke Richardson
I never want to hear you say, I want it that wayyyy
Zachary Butler
Are ASUS graphics cards any good? I'm looking at the ASUS Radeon EX-RX570-4G.
Liam Ross
um according to seasonic you have to use two sepearate pcie cables when connecting a graphics card. WTF
Cameron Rogers
buying prebuilt systems is a catch22. Yes there's a warranty, but for less money, you can often build a system with similar or even better capabilities.
BTW, no one recommends the i5 7600k anymore. Everyone recommends the AMD Ryzen 5 1600 though.
Just had a general question about CPUs. Why are Intel's CPUs only mostly 4-cores when there were already 3.8Ghz 8-core AMD CPUs in 2012 ? What made CPUs better since that time given that they all clock at the same frequencies and do not have more cores ? Is it just the RAM bridge frequencies ? Are 8-core CPUs just a meme ?
Levi Turner
Just get a wheel mouse optical off ebay for $5 and install the 1000hz driver. Don't fall for modern gamershit mice memes.
Angel Garcia
lul who would come to this shithole general full of fucking retards that don't know anything about PC hardware instead of just going to r/buildapc
Kevin Rivera
The only thing keeping me from building my own system is that I don't trust myself well enough to put it together without breaking something. CyberPower seems to give the best deals out of any pre-built seller, so I've been forced to go with them unless an alternative presents itself.
About the Ryzen, I've heard talk from friends that AMD processors, regardless of type, are universally shitty and prone to overheating like their graphics cards. Has that changed with the Ryzen 5?
Logan Garcia
First of all build your own.
If Fallout 4 at 60fps ultra @ 1080p is your goal, do this, pic related. You'll need to update the BIOS but that's all.
YES, for the last time. Ryzen is NOTHING like the FX series, for fucks sake, at least do some basic googling before coming here.
Charles Myers
Your friends are ignorant morons that parrot outdated information. You should always build your own system, it's not hard just watch a YouTube tutorial. The Ryzen 5 lineup gives close to the same performance as the 7600k for a much cheaper price.
Thomas Williams
back in 2012, 8 core CPUs were a meme. Though AMD 8 core FX chips existed, they were comparable in performance to a 4 core Intel i5.
A few months ago, AMD released Ryzen, which introduced a completely new 8 core architecture. For 500 bucks, a new 8 core AMD Ryzen 7 will dominate an Intel Core i7 6900k, which is a $1000 CPU.
>Has that changed with the Ryzen 5? What you hear your friends talk about was AMD's FX chips. Ryzen was introduced 3 months ago. The 8 core RYzen 7 chips have put to shame $1000i Intel chips like the 6900k while costing half as much, The Ryzen 5 series uses the same architecture as Ryzen 7 but with cores deactivated for 4 core and 6 core variants. The golden chip of the line up is the Ryzen 5 1600, a 6 core, 12 thread CPU for $220.
Robert Hall
Is it critical for me to use a PCIe 3.0 slot with NVMe?
I've got plenty of spare PCIe 2.0 slots, but no spare 3.0 ones.
Daniel Gomez
here. This explains the architecture and what it can do. And before you say anything about her, Dr. Lisa Su is the CEO of AMD. youtube.com/watch?v=1v44wWAOHn8
Jayden Edwards
> I don't trust myself well enough to put it together without breaking something Trust yourself a little more. The parts are designed to be assembled.
Jacob Kelly
Is the Intel heatsink any good if I apply third party thermal paste (arctic silver) to it?
Nolan Adams
temps may be somewhat lower but Intel's stock coolers are garbage.
Julian Cruz
Have you updated your gpu's drivers yet?
Wyatt Bailey
Your friends are retarded. Who the fuck do you think makes the processors that run their Xbox's, playstation's, and Nintendo Switch's? All AMD.
Hunter Turner
If you want to keep your budget to a bare minimum, maybe. But the stock intel heatsink is shit, and insanely loud. If you plan to do anything other than Word/Web-surfing, just change it right away. Anything else is better.
Asher Johnson
Alright, time for honesty. It's not me that lacks trust, it's my parents. I've tried to assure them that it's manageable with proper research, but they believe it's like neuro-surgery and that I'm incapable of it, so they demand that I get it pre-built. So, pre-built is my only option right now.
Get A zowie, i recently used one, theyre basic but good. Basically the new Microsoft intellimouse.
Joshua Watson
Hi so I'm going for rx580 Should I get Nitro+ limited edition 8G for 290$ Or Gigabite Aorus 8G for 250$
I know nitro+ is better,is it 40$ better tho?
Brody Cox
>I've heard talk from friends that AMD processors, regardless of type, are universally shitty and prone to overheating like their graphics cards. Has that changed with the Ryzen 5? Your friends are retarded and don't know anything about hardware. Happens a lot with normal people, my friends say the same and have the audacity to tell me that my R9 280x is causing me problems when it doesn't and my R7 1700 is shit when benchmarks show it doesn't Even the shittiest AMD CPUs & GPUs didn't overheat, though they did quite more than their Nvidia & Intel countertpart, but that's something of the past.
Jose Cox
just get the Aorus
Eli Brooks
Maybe emphasize that they don't get the choice that exactly fits their need and that they lose money by paying for someone else to build their own PC. Maybe invite a friend that has already built a PC and tell them he'll do it with you idk.
Jordan Roberts
If it's about the warranty, every component has its own warranty. Sometimes even longer than a whole prebuilt.
I've seen this before with friends, their parents dont trust them and they buy prebuilts, when something broke they still came to me because the warranty was gone anyway. It's ways something simple which you couldve circumvented by building yourself, like a bad PSU.
Connor Bailey
How does Zen compare to Skylake in IPC?
Isaiah Adams
Drop the 7600k and get an R5 1600 instead, not only is it cheaper because it doesn't require a cooler but it also is better. Downgrade the overkill PSU to 500 - 550w Upgrade the GPU to either a GTX 1050ti or if the budget can afford, RX 570 which is miles ahead of it R5 1600 + RX 570 are both the best value hardware there is, best performance per $
Blake Flores
100% humbug
Lincoln Williams
About 90% of Skylake's IPC when comparing most instruction sets and loads, and up to 115% in very specific benchmarks (and on Linux). I think its AES-NI implementation is up to 200% better than Skylake, but I might be mistaking that with older AMD CPUs versus pre-Haswell.
Andrew Gray
Ryzen actually has higher IPC, but it can't overclock as well as Skylake CPU's can.
Jaxon Powell
It's lower but not by much. The difference of performance is because of much higher clocks Intel CPUs can achieve and most importantly, communication speed between cores. The CCX design of Ryzen (two groups of core) make it so that when a core from group 1 tries to communicate with a core from a core from group 2, the latency is very very much higher than core communication speed of intel processors (naturally this is a tradeof for a lot of advantages this design gives). But the difference is not at big as some people would make it out to be: Most people kept comparing the R7 1700 (3 to 3.7GHz) to the 7700k (4.5GHz) on launch benchmarks (missing all the bios updates & agesa that improved performacne a bit), whereas if you compare an R5 1500x to i5 7500 it's pretty much the same thing (they have almost the same clocks and perform the same in games)
Now, if you're talking non-game workloads, there is no rule of thumb: it's entirely dependent on which workload.
Jaxon Price
Is 8GB RAM enough?
Mason Torres
Light gaming: Yes AAA gaming: No Workstation: Yes, but get more regardless.
Tyler Collins
No,this is not 2011. 16gb is new minimum for anything that is not ultra-budget or netbook. 18gb will last you for long time,5years minimum
Hudson Russell
yes, don't listen to these retards
Carter Martin
Don't listen to this retard. Open world games like fallout and witcher will eat 16gb of meme up.
>need a reliable mobo >can i even fit 2 m.2 drives on it? >best if it has 'constant 5V on all USB' or 'Audio over USB feature' >all my audio runs through an usb audio interface and studio speakers, previous mobo caused problems when transfering files over usb (sound would get either distorted or completly cut off)
>plz don't recommend going for ryzen, as amd/ryzen CPU tend to cause huge sound latency - no good for my use
also, if you got any Europe based stores with cheap prices and shipping to Austria - that would be great
Ian Jenkins
Im in the process of making a g4560 build and am wondering which is better for it the RX 480 4gb or the RX 570 GB?
Joseph Thompson
after a few days of research and thought I am going with AMD. What do you guys think of this build? pcpartpicker.com/list/rTCTxY
Matthew Young
570. IIRC, a G4560 will bottleneck a 580.
Grayson Wilson
All good. Could change a few parts to make it cheaper if you wanted, but it's perfectly fine.
Leo Jones
really like what? i was trying to keep it under 1000 and have a black and white theme but couldn't succeed so I flexed the budget.
Julian Carter
>1050ti no get a rx 570 instead
Angel Hernandez
You can save a few bucks changing the motherboard to an Asrock B350 Pro 4 or an Asrock B350m Pro 4, both of which would match the color scheme. You can get a 120 gb ssd instead of 240, but again, I can understand keeping the 240.
I'm building a PC with vidya primarily in mind, maybe VR in the future and I need help deciding on some parts. Not interested in 4K in the next 3 years at least. Not super interested in overclocking but I might get into that some day. Preferably no le gayming LED/RGB shit, I just want functionality and performance.
>CPU Need help choosing between i5 6700k, i7 7600k and i7 7700k. No idea about coolers, need help on that as well. >Motherboard Pretty sure I'll get MSI Z270-A PRO. It's Z270, supports up to 3800MHz DDR4, has a M.2 slot (just one but I'm not into hoarding data) and has Optane support. If that counts for anything. >GPU 6GB GTX 1060, thinking about Zotac AMP!, but I heard MSI has the best model - it's just that I don't remember which one it was because there's like 5 of them. >SSD Thinking of giving that up for a while, I'm fine with a 500GB HDD right now. Unless you can recommend me something reasonably cheap and cost efficient. >RAM 2x4GB 3000Mhz. Trying to save money since buying more RAM later is not a problem. Is there even such a thing as a shitty RAM manufacturer? Should I get more? I've seen benchmarks that shown dual channel is not a meme, that's why I'm not getting 1x8GB. >PSU Will 600W be enough? What manufacturer?
Nicholas Ward
Any reason to have 32 gb of ram vs 16?
Planning for 1440 in the future, MAYBE 4k
1600x ryzen is cpu, 580 or vega depending in future.
Jeremiah Turner
Why not Ryzen 5? You can get a Ryzen 5 1600 (6 cores, 12 threads) for $220, overclock it to like 3.7 on a $90 B350 motherboard, and get similar performance to a 7700k, and all reliably with the stock cooler it comes with. And even without overclocking, it puts up a great fight against the Intel i5 series.
Liam Cooper
oh i knew the ssd and a few bucks isn't that necessary thanks for your input
Hudson Green
ryzen 1700 is better then all that intel shit
Nathaniel Peterson
no, why?
Jeremiah Collins
I just heard Ryzen are no good for gaymin. Also I'd like to go with Intel even though AMD served me very well for the last 6 years.
Mason Lopez
/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General
David Clark
My PC is also used for rendering webms for Sup Forums thank you very much.
Jaxson Miller
>i5 6700k or 7600k it's shit, R5 1600 outperforms it at lower price point. Either that or a 7700k.
Wouldn't recommend 8GB for an AAA gaming build today because for some games it's already not enough. 12 or higher is pretty good.
>Also i'd like to go with X brand for no particular reason Then don't expect much advices, we're not going to give you bad advice just because you want us to.
Jackson Price
>I just heard Ryzen are no good for gaymin. lies from Intel shills. Here's the Ryzen 5 1500x (4 core, 8 thread), against an i5 7500. youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE&t=303s
Sure the Intel chips may hit slightly higher framerates, but lok how close it is. Look how much higher the minimums are on Ryzen. Look how much CPU usage is between the 2 (high usage can cause stuttering)
