/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you too lazy to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good for higher FPS; may have heat issues
>R7/Xeon/Threadripper/i9 - compute/Multitask/mixed use

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for desktop stuff and very light game
>1050Ti for low budget. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA/miners buying all RX570s)
>1080 - 1080p@100-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon

General:
>READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity/scratch disk/VMs
>Stop confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>mATX board + case is often cheaper
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs

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pcpartpicker
youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4
pcpartpicker.com/list/RwJq2R
pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTmpb
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

New builder here.
I am troubleshooting my build as it keep freezing after booting.
Will I potentially damage any hardware if I hold down the power button to turn it off?

pcpartpicker com/list/wWmRXH
Budget is around 600$ How did I do? Anything thats overkill or wont gain from or anything I can swap around?

RX570 and RX580 are hard to find and going for $300-$400 on ebay due to Ethereum value skyrocketing.

1060 6GB at $215-$230 is a pretty good alternative.
Don't worry about whether it's a newer 9Gbps VRAM model or not. Benchmarks show it makes a much smaller difference than the difference between RX470 and RX570 is.

But I kept them in the OP because you should still buy RX570 immediately if you see them around 170-185US/EUR for the 570 as it's the much better value for 1080p gaming, and you can even mine on it as well and it recoups its cost in under 2 months.

Is it bad idea to buy used SSD on Amazon?

Buy a window OEM key from Kinguin. That is only 25 euros saving you 75 dollars.

Or from one of the stores on allkeyship, that's 5$.

>Is it bad idea to buy used SSD
Generally yes, because you'd risk getting one halfway through it's life span.

Yes.

>Will I potentially damage any hardware if I hold down the power button to turn it off?
Yes, it's something you want to avoid. It's rare to break it that way but if your hard drive happen to do some writing or reading when the power suddenly goes down it can and will at times fuck up some files.

it's not very probable. But it should be taken as last measure, since if you do it in any crucial OS process, it can damage the software. Other than that you should be fine.

Are you trying to OC?

Get a G4560 instead, it's much cheaper but performs very very close.
That's an expensive motherboard for a locked CPU, and if the logic behind it is that you're gonna end up upgrading the CPU then getting a low end PSU doesn't make sense for it

My build has no HDD as I figured that would happen. I am booting / installing windows on my SSD. The problem is that it constantly freezes mid installation forcing me to hard reset it.

I am more worried about the other parts like my GPU, CPU, RAM etc.

Nope. Just putting it together. First time getting a custom build too. Put it together. Tried installing windows. Froze. Checked everything. Still freezes. Took everything apart and put it back again. Still freezes at random points when installing my OS onto my SSD.

If it doesn't damage my hardware, I should be able to keep my GPU plugged in while troubleshooting it right?

>pcpartpicker com/list/wWmRXH
>how'd I do
Pretty shit.
You got a lot of overpriced garbage which means no SSD which means you're going to get bottlenecked by that HDD in many cases.
And cheap Corsair PSUs are garbage.
i3-7100 is not worth getting except when you could get it for $77 from Frys sale.
You're better off with a G4600 using the iGPU, or G4560 if using a dGPU.
Get windows for cheaper/free, and get a 480-525GB SSD instead of the HDD.
Get a mATX motherboard and cast which saves like another $40.

For ~$625, you could really get a R5 1400 and SSD if you budgeted better in other areas.

At $159 from Fry's there is the i3-7300 and a B250M motherboard. That's the only case I'd get an Intel 2 core besides the G4560 and G4600, when you are getting like $35-$60 off like that
But even then, I'd only recommend that combo for an HTPC with no dGPU.
If you're getting a 1050Ti, I think you should be getting it with a 1400, 1500X, or G4560. If you're getting an i3, the only thing that makes sense is getting it for the better iGPU for use in emulators.

>My build has no HDD as I figured that would happen. I am booting / installing windows on my SSD
It doesn't matter, if the SSD is doing some writing while you're doing this it will still fuck up the files

GPU, CPU & RAM will do perfectly fine.

READ THE OP
Ditch the i3 for a G4560 ot jump up to ryzen.
Also, you can get an Ultrastar 2-3TB HDD for like $10-$20 more.
As the other user mentioned, get Windoes from Kinwin

It's a bit of a gamble, but if the price is low enough I'd go with it since you get excelent client protection.

I just did Prime95 test on my Ryzen 5 1600 stock. It rose to 75.5°C in 2-3 minutes and then it stayed around that value for next 30 minutes. Maximum was 76.3°C. Are those temps OK for Ryzen? After I turned Prime95 off it went back to 33-35°C in around 2 minutes.

Also what is the difference between those 2 sensors highlighted in red?

Which Windows and what kind of SSD?

>GPU, CPU & RAM will do perfectly fine.
Alright. That settles one of my worried at least. Still have to fix it. Tearing my hairout here.

Windows 10. Samsung 850.

Try another iso, then try installing it on a hard drive instead, and if it doesn't work i'd just RMA both the CPU, RAM & mobo

One is the sensor on your motherboard and the other is your cpu's.
You can usually tell the CPU sensor because temperatures will immediately spike up when stressed but the motherboard's is slower.

I'll try. I will figure this out I guess. I am more worried about me potentially damaging my hardware while trying to figure out what is wrong.

I've seen people post like $725 builds in previous threads with a 500GB SSD, RX570, and 1500X, which is about 75-100% faster than that build for only $110 more.

But I'm not sure you can still find RX570s for $170-$180

>what kind of SSD
Corsair MX300 or ADATA SU800 are the best reasonably priced ones. Only 1-9% slower than a Samsung 850 and they seem to be more reliable by the user reviews.

Any one try one of these scandisk ssd;s? I was thinking of picking this one up or should I just go with an evo 850?

You should undervolt.
See what the lowest stable voltage you can get for 3.6 or 3.7GHz all cores is, on most 1600s this will make it cooler but also faster than stock.
Aim for [email protected], a lot of 1600s should at least boot with that then if it's stable lower it bit by bit until it isn't, if it's not drop the frequency down a notch or the voltage up if you want.

Is freesync really that great of a feature? I'm thinking of just settling for a NVIDIA card because all AMD cards that support freesync are expensive now thanks to mining, even the R9 380.

Samsung EVO are good but overpriced, you can settle for a Sandisk.

Try updating the BIOS with a flash drive.
Check the ram frequencues and compatibility.
if you are having trouble witht he instalation of win 10, you can always watch Pauls video. it's very complete, you probably don't need it but it's always good to go back to the basics. (also, he makes a mistake when selecting the bootdrive, which he explains in the viedeo after)
youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4

run memtest, if you have troubles getting through OS install it's possible the DIMMs are busted

Lower one is most likely a sensor around the socket, since it is listed in the motherboard tab. The one on the top is the sensor in the processor die itself.

Free sync and G sync are amazing if you can afford it. Think of them as the mech keyboard of monitors. You don't need them but once you get them it is hard to go back.

I just shied away from it myself.
'Like new' only refers to the exterior. You might get something that's been abused in a high read/write environment for a few months.

Fugg. Guess I will just have to wait months for the cryptomeme bullshit to end.

>tfw have to suffer with a radeon 4350 until then

Just check the user reviews on various retailers. ~10-15% lower score than SU800 and MX300.
And you can get the SU800 1024GB on sale for $250 like once every month.
The MX300 1.1TB was $200 last black friday.

I'd try and wait for a better deal on a better SSD when it comes to 1TB costs.

Even if you have an Nvidia card, you can get a 75Hz Freesync 1080p monitor for the same price as 1080p 60Hz no-sync.
Same when it comes to more expensive ones.. you can get a 1440p 144hz Freesync IPS for $400, which is roughly the same cost as ones without any sync tech. I think there are some $300 no-sync ones like that but generally they're worse picture quality as well.

Maybe next year or late this year when RX600 comes, which should be smaller Vega with GDDR6, you'll wind up upgrading and can use the Freesync.
But with a 1060 6GB, you won't have any problem maintaining 75fps in almost every game to take advantage of that 75Hz freesync monitor.

Apparently even RX 280X are selling for $150-$250 now. I've heard for them going as much as $300 on Craigslist lmao.

I have 2 old 7970s I'm using for mining. About $2500 a year profit now.

Just wait for the bubble to hopefully burst.
Plus Vega will be out by then.

I have a 290x I just changed out for a 1080ti. Wonder how much I can sell it for.

pcpartpicker com/list/p9PhNN
Better then the one started at the thread? I mean assuming Kinguin is legit for OEM (never used) I have even more room to hit my budget. 650$ max. Anything I should change?

How would it be possible to get 3.6 or 3.7 on all cores when I undervolt? Right now it ran at 3.4 at all cores.

Vegas will sell out within the first 3 hours and have no availability for months if they wind up being 2x RX570 performance in mining, which they very likely will.

I'll buy 3 of them, maybe more, even if they're $2000 for the Frontier Edition and can do around 50 MH/s at

I'm running 3.7GHz all core at 1.1V on my 1600X. It is completely stable, not just "stable for web browsing". I can get it down more like 1.0625V for stable enough for everything I do but it won't pass AIDA64 stability test for an hour like that.

If you're less lucky, yeah it might take 1.15V-1.25V. I think I got fairly lucky with mine.

It can also depend on your motherboard.
A less good motherboard could need 0.075V higher for a given frequency because its voltage regulation isn't as stable.

I just have a Pro4 which is just decent VRMs. But if you have one of the shitty Gigabyte 3 phase that looks like 4 with crappy quality phases, I imagine I wouldn't get such a good undervolt.

Well, I have AB350M Pro4, however I guess I'll first update BIOS since it's P1.00 right now.

is there a way i can install win 10 on the ssd im getting through my laptop?

have the same one, the update does help a lot, finally could get my RAM to 2667.

some major BIOS update is supposed to be coming out soon aswell, so look out for it

Could get much more performance by going RX 470/570 if you manage to get one when it gets in stock
Also please stop putting spaces in your link

Just plug it?
But you're gonna need an extra sata cable to plug both your hard drive & SSD

Anyone have any idea what VRM this uses?
Looks like 3+3? Or 4+2? Anything else about them?

Picked this up today from a scrap dealer for $10. Dell XPS 720.

Don't really know what to do with it. It was rained on many times so the internals are probably dead and rusted. My thought was since it is such a huge case I could gut it, and then install one of those huge dual socket SuperMicro Motherboards and make a dual Xeon system.

how about it?

Question is this normal for i7-7700k?

>4.2ghz
>idle 34-35 x 4 cores
>100% for an hour 60-61 max x 4 cores

>5.5 ghz
>idle = same as 4.2
>100% for 2 hours 80-81 x 4 cores

Cooler is h100i blowing outwards.

*inb4 housefires.

Do you mean 4.5GHz? 5.5GHz is enormous
Yeah it's not that rare to see such temperatures, the 7700k is shit at spreading the heat on the IHS

Oh. Why were you using launch BIOS?
Just do the internet update through the BIOS and make sure you don't turn it off or anything until it's fully done updating.

Most people can get 0.05V lower with the BIOS updates on all boards since launch.

>pcpartpicker com/list/p9PhNN
Drop the HDD and get a larger SSD.
A tiny SSD that can barely fit more than your OS is stupid.

If you mean 4.5GHz, yeah 80C sounds normal for a delidlake CPU.
I don't know what you were expecting. This is what people have warned about in every thread for months.

Yeah, that'd fit ETX or larger I think. Sounds fun.

Also forgot to ask. Are those temps ok for stock cooler and frequencies? From what I've seen it seems they are a bit higher, but it's also rather hot in my room right now (27.5°C).

What cooler

What CPU is this, what is your temps so shi-

>Ryshit

Why do I even bother...

it's stock cooler

>A tiny SSD that can barely fit more than your OS is stupid.
I have my OS and every program that's not a game on my 90GB SSD, and I still have 44GB free.
120GB is a very workable amount.

Cherry picking again pajeet?

pcpartpicker.com/list/RwJq2R

The PC I'm gonna build in a couple days, what's your opinion? any recommendations about changing any part?

Hi there, going to build this PC in summer:

pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTmpb

Any suggestions?
What monitor should I pick? 200/300 range, I have literally no idea

??????????????????????????
are there really people in here retarded enough to think that the $140 GTX 1050 TI does not get beat by the $170 RX 570?

Why is aida64 considered stresstest? It barely puts any stress n your CPU at all.
Even CPU intense games put my package at 120w... Aida doesn't even hit 90w.

True stability comes from IntelBurnTest and prime95.

I meant the 580 beating the 1060

btw. total newfag here, I know between potato and nothing

Because it's a DX12 title and the 580 generally does quite better in D12 & Vulkan titles???
The point of the picture was to showcase performance difference between 1050ti & 570, why are you talking about these two GPUs even

what's a good MB, CPU, GPU combo for a computer that's sole purpose is Solidworks and AutoDesk 360?

whenever these newfags post these frog, wojak or facebook memes pictures i feel much inclined to help them

That's not what he was referring to.
But in the vast majority of games released in the past 2 years, including BF1, the RX580 handedly beats the 1060.
If you go back further and include older games like GTAV and such, then yeah the 1060 does better, but the RX580 is still better on average.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/RwJq2R
looks good for gaming, you know, for anything else i'd go with Ryzen.

>pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTmpb
If you can , you want to have higher frequecy RAM for ryzen. recommended around 3000MHz.
Also, have you done some research regarding the cooler? Depending on your OC, you might want to spend $10-$15 more for more performance

Is i7 7700 worst than a i5 7600k?

No, it won't.
If hardware broke from resets, there'd be no reset buttons on computers (it's the most retarded button anyone could put on a case though, the only purpose it serves to to accidentally restart your pc).

What says may be true, if your HDD is writing at the time, something could maybe go wrong.

I've already have the RAM, bought it long before knowing...
And no, not really, I've been looking up some videos, but I have been recommended to buy that one

>every game that nvidia works best on is shit minus the witcher
really activates my almonds

overkill PSU and getting 144hz at 1440p will be hard with a 1080, you should aim for a Ti
AIOs aren't that much cooler from air coolers but cost a lot more so you could also make some saving there

Witcher 3 doesn't even count because you can force tesselation in AMD drivers but not Nvidia, so Nvidia cards were all forced to run like shit in this game thanks to the default unchangeable x64 tesselation, whereas AMD users forced 8x / 16x and had much better performance

>intel
>2017
ryzen is better than both so its a moot point

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

I bought an msi rx 480 gaming x 8gb about half a year ago, and I've used it very lightly. I don't think I've even played a PC game in the past 3 or so months. How much would I be able to sell it for? I'm seeing similar models go for up to $350 on eBay, so I'm thinking slightly lower than that.

Background:
I wanna buy a new pc with a r5 1600/ MATX B350 mobo but I'm having trouble getting a set of QVL 2x8 DDR4 3200 that doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out because of its price.

Question:
Lower speed kits (like say 2800 or 3000) don't come with XMP profiles above their rated speed, right?

whata the point of fan controllers? dont they adjust automatically and cant they be done from software?

You are right about the psu its overkill on 850 I think Ill be fine with one of 650w.

The hydrocooler isnt alot more silent tho?Thats why I want it.

The 1080 is that underpowered for 144hz/1440p? the Ti models costs 200 250$ more and they are way out of my budget

3pin need controllers, or converters.

DELETE THIS

You might be able to sell it for a bit more if the cryptoniggers get desperate enough.

What temps do you R5 1600 / 1600x people run at?

Just curious how I am doing since I just put my build together today. Seems to hit around 50C on full load (100% on all cores).

Tfw I bought a 260 euros rx570 4 just to not wait another month and get a 580 for almost the same price..

Yep sounds about right.

dang, they really run at the same speed without a controller?

1080 will do 60fps+ at 1440p without dropping settings fine. But it will very, very, very rarely do 144fps on newer games. On Overwatch and maybe R6 Siege, sure, but that's about it.

bump for relevance..halp

If I'm just intending to stick to 1080p gaming, are we at a point where a current ~$1000 build will be able to handle all games in the near future (6 years or so) as long as 1080p is forced?

3pin run at max speed, unless you have a controller, a pwm converter (needs be a "box"), or a resistor.

What do you guys mini ITX builds for high end gaming? I like to have the compact looks of the smaller cases but worry of the air flow since the parts will be slightly clustered. Looking to get an MSI 1080 ti and i7 6700k.

Any mITX cases suitable for this build or should I go for the ATX form?

Probably not, no.
6 years is not really "near future"

i got a corsair vengance LED 2x8 GB 3000MHz kit for a fairly decent price and comes with XMP 2.0

are you running it on a ryzen? whats the highest speed profile your rams have built in?

yeah, im on a 1700 and AB350M Pro from AsRock and I can only make it work with 2667 so far. If it turn it up any more it loads at 2133, with XMP enabled. Updates are supposed to make ram frequency compatibility much better

>allkey
Why are the keys here cheaper than on Kinguin? 6 dollars? How can such be? Do these keys get deactivated quickly or what?

>1080p is forced?
What does that even mean, as if games are going to try and make you NOT use 1080p in the future?

Anyways, no, because CPU usage in games scales regardless of video resolution.