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How do I "enter" a jail? I understand chrooting but just started working with BSD and haven't done any more than skim the jail manual.
I saw something like
jexec -paramIdentifyingShell tcsh
But I am stupid. Help pls I want mpd to work finally
>cuck license
this
ebin
Wizards assemble !
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>How do I "enter" a jail?
kek
Any FreeBSD fags here? Can you post
man wc, man cat, man basename?
>How do I "enter" a jail?
Get arrested. Do something illegal. See sudo (1) or orangeisthenewblack (5)
Go nuts with their site mah niggah.
Based FreeBSD (and other *BSD too tho) making all manpages available for every revision of the OS.
freebsd.org
freebsd.org
freebsd.org
Hmm, as expected. Unix tools aren't unix themselves.
Of course not, why reinvent the wheel multiple times when you could also focus on developing completely new tools. Aside from OpenBSD and systemd wanting to rework/rewrite everything because of Not Invented Here syndrome.
Think you mean the GNU versions of these tools, those are indeed the re-implemented ones. The origin of most tools in the *BSD's are from the old early UNIX/BSD days which are just further extended on.
Is freebsd the only is with a jails type environment, and what can be ran in "jails"?
Not interested in chroot for this question.
No. Illumos has zones which are arguably more useful, until we can get VIMAGE stabilized properly and add further resource virtualization for jails. That said, it's still far better than what any Linux technology has to offer
Can 64bit os be ran in jails, and which bsd version would be the best to use as a desktop?
Heh I like the unix philosophy, easier to develop software this way. write simple software and pipe them to make them meaningful
>Illumos has zones which are arguably more useful
Neat, so if I was interested in setting up jails/zones I would be only interested in freebsd, and illumos?
FreeBSD invented Jails back in version 4.0 and only DragonFly BSD has it too for as far as I know. Ofc every BSD like TrueOS which are directly based on FreeBSD has jails too.
Of course, see a default (FreeBSD) jail just as another barebone FreeBSD installation on your system.
>Best Desktop version
TrueOS (Allmost all modern desktops) or GhostBSD (Mate based).
Both are based on FreeBSD but just include a default configuration to make it "Just Work".
Illumos is very interesting with their Zones implementation. (Solaris/Illumos still keeps a special place in my heart)
Yep if you want BSD go FreeBSD or else Illumos :)
Indeed, it's the only correct way to keep things sane in the long run.
I'm interested about freeBSD but what are the benefits of using freeBSD instead of linux? Would freeBSD be better on servers than linux?
FreeBSD is more stable, has a better performing TCP/UDP network stack.
Hence Netflix is using it for their backbones. quora.com
openconnect.netflix.com
In practice FreeBSD can run the same database and (web)server software and libraries that Linux can.
It's just down to personal taste these days, and of course what most webhosts or VM/barebone/appliance providers are using or offering.
Illumos is just a kernel and coreutils. What you want is a distribution of Illumos.
I think the only remaining one worth considering is OpenIndiana.
>FreeBSD is more stable
Define stable. I'm interested in what measurable quality you come up with.
For a stable production environment, I would say less changes in the underlying API and ecosystem as everything is pretty much tested through and through over the years.
We run a triple shop with previously (open)Solaris, which is now Illumos/OpenIndiana, FreeBSD and CentOS/Redhat.
The transition from (open) Solaris went pretty much without any big problems to OpenIndiana as most things only required a recompilation with slight modifications (replacing already obsolete Solaris calls with the current ones).
The transition from Centos/Redhat 5 and 6 to 7 was (still is) one big fucking mess as most service scripts and control tooling had to be re-written to account for systemd and the changed output of most tools or which were or will be obsolete soon.
(Yes, I know using the output of cmd tools is a bad practice but everybody and his mother used it way before I started working here, you don't change big corporate projects in a few years without budget for rewrites)
Freebsd is pretty much problem free, if you don't use the ports and bundle your own stable (and security patched) set of applications and libraries on top of the OS.
We're migrating from 9 and 10 to 11 as a test now without problems. Only some clang/gcc cpp related stuff but that is easily fixed in the (c)make files and build scripts.
HardenedBSD on my servers works fine whew
>HardenedBSD
>SafeStack
It's nice but we're still in the process of fixing all the legacy code before we can switch it on ;_;
Yeah, RHEL7 changed a lot of things. Though it seems RedHat has stabilized on one init system so upgrade to 8 should be a lot smoother in the future.
I certainly understand the appeal of stable environment, but then again, how often do you upgrade to a new version and how often does a distribution switch init system?
More like, what tools will be replaced in the future and absorbed into the systemd project.
Uniformity is a good thing, as the different BSD's pretty much work like each other due to the common unix way of working and tools.
But what systemd does is just ridiculous, why change the whole interface side of various tools and thing and breaking compatibility even between major systemd versions.
With the current state of things it would mean that the tools we develop to talk to systemd directly, instead of using the userspace tools output, will have to be changed or even rewritten with the release of RHEL8 as that one would be running on a completely different systemd version.
Currently systemd is still not certified for military/aerospace or automotive industrial usage as the source code (and the project) is extremely volatile. (Which I don't see happening anytime soon also)
Most of our clients, which were using Wind River Linux or RHEL pre-systemd, requested to transfer their critical software to FreeBSD or a Yocto initd/busybox based appliance or even to a proprietary realtime embedded solution.
Continue'd.
We upgrade pretty fast, especially on the hardware support area of the FreeBSD and Linux kernels. With new ARM (but also Intel) chips coming out fast you really want to have the best and most recent stable support for those processors to stay ahead of the competition performance (and power usage) wise.
Stay behind and another competitor who didn't fell asleep will take over.
Friendly reminder systemd shitters don't know enough about anything that matters so the go after systemd
>More like, what tools will be replaced in the future and absorbed into the systemd project.
Hopefully none, but I guess that's too much to ask.
>Uniformity is a good thing
Then I'm sure you like systemd which plans to make Linux uniformly bad.
>common unix way of working
That must be a BSD thing. Every UNIX I've worked with differed in some key thing (usually discovered after several hours of troubleshooting).
>But what systemd does is just ridiculous
Yes, and everyone I know, myself included, complains about it. But every major Linux vendor uses it so we're stuck with it for the time being.
It's stupid of them to throw several of their customers under the bus and it will bite them back because that's the nature of competition.
Read and quote the whole post.
And yes, all non BSD unix flavours suck dick. Don't have to remind me of the horror that is HP-Unix.
Using OpenBSD on a old latitude laptop since 5.2
Nothing to configure, nothing have broken. Feels good to get shit done.
too free for gplfags
/etc/rc.d/jail console
>Hopefully none, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Yeah lets just let software stagnate, nobody wants to use systemd-nspawn over chroot and nobody cares about booting without bash like init and getting to X in half the time!
All UNIX just sucks, you are worshiping a proprietary system from the 70's that was so horrible that people that demanded freedom created GNU and Linux.
>cancer general
Good job OP. Sage.
Bump
shilling for HardenedBSD
am i 1337 now
How do I become a gnu/linux sorcerous mage myself?
How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?
just gay
illumos is actually pretty great.
openindiana takes like 60 hours to start up