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If you would like to try out GNU/Linux you can do one of the following:
0) Install a GNU/Linux distribution of your choice in a Virtual Machine.
1) Use a live image and to boot directly into the GNU/Linux distribution without installing anything.
2) Dual boot the GNU/Linux distribution of your choice along with Windows or macOS.
3) Go balls deep and replace everything with GNU/Linux.

Resources:
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Check the Wikis (most troubleshoots work for all distros):
wiki.archlinux.org
wiki.gentoo.org

Sup Forums's Wiki on GNU/Linux:
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux

>What distro should I choose?
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

>What are some cool programs?
wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications
directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page

>What are some cool terminal commands?
commandlinefu.com/
bropages.org/

>Where can I learn the command line?
mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
grymoire.com/Unix/

>Where can I learn more about Free Software?
gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html

>How to break out of the botnet?
prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux

/t/'s GNU/Linux Games: /t/'s GNU/Linux Videos: /fglt/'s website and copypasta collection:
fglt.nl && p.teknik.io/wJ9Zy

Other urls found in this thread:

sourcemage.org/Spell/Book
sourcemage.org/
gentoo.org/get-involved/contribute/
wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Contributing_to_Gentoo
help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
muen.sk/
scs.stanford.edu/histar/
freevms.net/
freedos.org/
github.com/brho/plan9
jnode.org/
kolibrios.org/en/
reactos.org/
gnu.org/software/hurd/
archhurd.org/
wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd
genode.org/
bountysource.com/
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Are you using Arch too?

Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is:
Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code.
Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package.
With even the documentation licensed as FDL.
Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages.
Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash.
Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates.
Can heal broken installs.
Can also use flags.

Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portgage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (packages) not found in the grimoire (repository) is easy sourcemage.org/Spell/Book

Bash hackers welcome! Come and join sourcemage.org/

reminder to use wayland if you want smooth scrolling videos

Install Devuan.

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>The only screensaver-esque thing built into Xorg, is the blanking.
Well, yes and no.

X11 has complete screensaver API. Sure, screensaver itself is a third party program, but it's managed in a standardized way, which means that when you're writing a program, you can suspend the screensaver no matter which one the end user has running. Which is the way it should be.

Features implemented by wayland compositors outside of wayland protocol don't really count because it's a non-uniform API and contributes to Linux being shit.

I approve these two

>contributes to linux
????

contributes to "Linux being shit"

How so?

Same feature implemented by different programs outside of a standard protocol means that there will be different APIs for the same action
Which means that developers will have to either write code that works only under specific conditions
Or study every existing API implementing that feature and write X times more code just to get it to work on most machines

But how does it make Linux shit?

>He still needs xorg
>But muh gaymes
Any games worth playing will be made in SDL which features framebuffer support.

>people shilling for wayland
is broken by desing

Tomorrow I'm gonna need to install centos to use sql loader. What's the main difference between DVD and minimal iso ? Does the minimal iso comes with a DE ?

Holy shit you're retarded. Minimal doesn't even include X. It's for servers.

>friendly thread
Hey, he was asking exactly that

Because it makes writing and distributing programs for Linux much much harder

It could have been like debian, that ask you if you want to download and install gnome or whatever DE you want by downloading it during the install

Oh, you were referring to GNU/Linux?

You must be retarded if you didn't get it from the original sentence

Wayland and systemd are made to break compatibility, on purpose.

Don't you people see, depending on these programs is too risky, and the developers are suspected to jump into a patch-like business like grsecurity by making things as messy like these are.

SystemD is supposed to solve this incompatibility problem by providing unified API for session management, device management, etc.

But the problem is that no one really agreed on this standard
systemd is developed by Red Hat
GNOME is developed by Red Hat too
Most mainstream distros, except maybe SUSE, use GNOME as a default environment
So Red Hat was basically holding hostage most popular DE to force every other distro to jump onto systemd

I had a bitter taste of said "compatibility" with pulseaudio when perfectly functional software started to get deprecated. RedHat always was a business, never cared for anything beyond their pockets, but this is nasty.

window managers are dead. get used to it

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why is void linux so shit

Of course a kike commie would only take free rides.

What is the best distro if I want a live cd to install gentoo?

kys

What's the most consistent desktop environment? I've noticed in some it suffers a similar problem like what Windows 10 has where different menus look wildly different from other menus, since different applications use different frameworks and shit

Additionally, which desktop looks the best with basically anything? Some desktops I see look beautiful but if you load in a weird application that looks wildly different the whole look falls apart (i.e. Spotify, Discord, etc.)

I've been considering KDE or an older version like KDE 4 or possibly Trinity/3

The one that comes with Gentoo.

install gentoo

SystemRescueCD is basically a Gentoo livecd/liveusb with a browser, gui partitioning tool and everything you need to install gentoo in a more comfy than using official iso, and it's just handy to have around

just buy a mac tbqh

What are some cool terminal commands?

mate looks so damn ugly out of the box, anyone have any theme recommendations? green is so gross.

ulimit -u
Now you can run a forkbomb without shitting up your system.

Hello /fglt/, I want to start using GNU/Linux.

I wanted to know which is the most stable distro and that has a wide variety of softwares.

For you pretty boy :(){ :|:& };:
though it doesn't compare to bricking a drive like you do.

Clearly Debian, but also look into Devuan.

how do you pronounce devuan?

Not the first time I've seen this recommended, thanks user.

like ur mom

dev 1

I have a running debian install
can I install Gentoo from it?

Sounds like something a nigger would name their kid.

9gag pls go

Yes, but you can't resize your root partition from a running system

thanks,
I'm gonna install on a second disk

So I've been using Arch, then Gentoo, but now, seeing so many people running Gentoo, what is the next step so I can feel special again?

think you guys could walk me through this in case I have any trouble?
not the first time installing Gentoo
but having help feels nice

Install Source Mage

install fedora and pretend you have a job

Try GuixSD.

Maybe start contributing to Gentoo since you have enough free time to jump from distro to distro

In what ways can one contribute to Gentoo? This is an important question I don't see addressed.

gentoo.org/get-involved/contribute/
wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Contributing_to_Gentoo

um why can't chrome or firefox do higher than 720p in netflix? How am I supposed to watch 1080p in linux?

>/t/'s GNU/Linux Videos:

so much to pick from

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You really need to ask?

Just pirate your shows.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

um ya? is microsoft paying them or something?

see

can someone help me with SSH keys? having trouble(edited)
on ubuntu 16.04 command line
trying to get a public key that works for this API but the keys won't work

ssh-keygen
[enter]
[enter]
[enter]
cd ~/.ssh
mv id_rsa.pub authorised_keys
cat id_rsa

tried that, didn't work

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as piracy, is in fact, unauthorized copying, or as I've recently taken to calling it, unauthorized sharing. Piracy is not the act of obtaining an unauthorized copy of a copyrighted work, but rather robbery or criminal violence at sea.

Many computer users make unauthorized copies every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the act which is widely performed today is often called piracy, and many of the people who do it are not aware that it is basically copying, and not stealing.

There really is a piracy, and some people are doing it, but it is just robbery at sea. Piracy is an act of theft: an action at sea in which goods are forcefully transferred from one ship to another. Piracy is important to be aware of, but unrelated to unauthorized copying; it can only function at sea. Piracy is normally not used in combination with unauthorized copying: the two acts are basically seperate. All the so-called piracy is really unauthorized copying.

this

Why does your pepe have that line at the bottom?

How long will recompiling everything will take? Is a vm with 2gb of ram.

what API is using ssh keys? it doesn't seem like a terribly bad idea but uncommon

you put the authorized_keys file on the server you want to connect to.
why would you cat the private key?

i have no idea what i'm doing, this is what the dev told me to do.

how do I access the pub key??

I suppose you're trying to learn something. Read up on it then.
help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys

>mv id_rsa.pub authorised_keys
>cat id_rsa
Dumb frogposter
Is this your homework?

How do I run hddtemp as a daemon on startup on Fedora 25?

I have tried adding RUN_DAEMON="true" to /etc/sysconfig/hddtemp but it doesn't work.

Help please, I never deal with systemd before.

Friendly reminder that Linux is just the kernel. Other kernels are:
The Muen Separation Kernel muen.sk/
and HiStar scs.stanford.edu/histar/

Operating Systems under GPL are:
FreeVMS freevms.net/
FreeDOS freedos.org/
Plan 9 github.com/brho/plan9
JNode jnode.org/
KolibriOS kolibrios.org/en/
ReactOS reactos.org/

Special mention to GNU/Hurd gnu.org/software/hurd/
Arch Hurd archhurd.org/
Debian GNU/Hurd wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd

EXWM, literally Emacs as your window manager. It's consistent because it's all the same goddamn program. Mix in Qutebrowser, Zathura, mpv, and a decent X terminal (urxvt, termite, etc.) and you can live entirely submerged in your own rice from the moment your X session starts.

This is not what you want to hear but it's reality - there is no unified vision because there's no one person in charge of everything. The closest you'll get otherwise is GNOME with the default theme if you religiously stick to Gtk3 and Qt5 as your only toolkits.

Don't forget Pistachio, Fiasco.OC, seL4, the Nova microhypervisor, and the OS that runs on all of those plus Muen - Genode.
genode.org/

Is Deepin botnet?

I assume this thread is a good place to ask:

Is the idea of free (libre) software being the dominate form of software feasible in our capitalist system?

Consider the following:
I want to make money from software, because it's the main skill I have that will allow me to feed myself. (This is not an uncommon situation)
>then sell your free software!
but if the source code is freely, people can and often will use my software without paying me
>people still pay for software/movies/etc. when they can pirate them!
Often because of fear of prosecution or downloading malware. Look, there are good, moral people who will purchase software, but are there enough to support a whole industry? It seems mainly large companies would be buying software, and more often than not, small projects would just get pirated.

(This argument has probably been debated before, but I can''t find where.)

Noted. And now I remember Xen is GPL too.

1. don't use netflix
2. get a chromecast or some android box (check /csg/)
3. use something else
4. don't use anything

>Is the idea of free (libre) software being the dominate form of software feasible in our capitalist system?
Free as in free market. Service oriented business model is the future, and the present bountysource.com/

Getting my thinkpad x1 carbon in the next few days.
I want to keep the windows 10 install and dual boot but I have not decided on a distro yet.
Should I just stick with ubuntu or mint or what?
Completely new to linux and I'm an incoming CS freshman.

I don't get it

I used to hate Stallman, but it soon turned in a exciting love history. I'm always browsing his photos. I'm not gay tho.

Mobile has basically crushed the software sales business model for end users by normalizing free or sub-$5 prices with monetization coming through ad revenue, donations, or selling hosted services. All of that is still possible with libre software. Internal business software and FOSS contributions are already done by programmers working for businesses not in the software business, or in the FOSS business.

The one place proprietary holds sway is specialized software for other businesses, where the act of paying creates a blame vector pointing back to the software developer when something goes wrong, and much of the money is made on support. This is an asset in oir current shitty, risk averse, lawsuit prone business culture that we've been Jewed into.

So basically you need Hitler before we can go full Stallman.

Is that a Half-Life reference?

that nigga can't count

What if I don't want to redistribute it? Where is my freedom?

If you kickstart bounties to solve performance of games running under WINE you'll get a lot of money. Is that more easy to understand?

If you're not redistributing, all Free Software under whatever license is free to use forever for whatever you want.

Yours is not a free market.

Whenever computer scientists start at 0, I wonder if it's a conscious joke or an actual habit.

I mean, what if I don't want to redistribute the code, closed source.

As long as you don't distribute binaries. So don't be a nigger and don't charge people for what was given for free to you.

I guess that if you see an issue with some code, you might say you will give $100 to whoever fixes it. Or if you want a feature, you'll put up a $500 bounty for someone to make it.

Then you're a bad person and shouldn't be allowed to do that.