MSI: RX Vega (gaming) needs a lot of power

>At Tweakers forums, you can find a message from MSI marketing director, who admits to having seen the RX Vega specs

>I’ve seen the specs of Vega RX. It needs a damn lot of power. We’re working on it, which is a start so launch is coming closer

>This is the first confirmation that AMD is already sharing details of RX Vega lineup with partners. The launch is coming closer as we are still 5 weeks for RX Vega to arrive. However, there is a very good chance we will be seeing custom designs at launch

>As for the power consumption, I don’t think anyone expected it to be lower than Frontier’s, which has a board power of 300W (air-cooled) or 375W (liquid edition)

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It can use more power if it's faster, but not 20% faster for 70% more power like Skylake-X, that's just retarded.

>board power = actual draw

Thats only cant be good

Remember it has a 50% per watt improvement in performance over Polaris

If it uses 2x the power it should be 3x the performance

Two RX 580s are about as good as a single 1080 ti in games that actually scale with crossfire

Expect this card to be 30-40% faster than a 1080 ti

>Expect this card to be 30-40% faster than a 1080 ti
You are funny

4096 cores @ 1600+ mhz
it will be very fast

Consider the following
RX 480 is 2304 cores @ 1180 MHZ
Without factoring in IPC improvements(said to be 50%) the card is 240% faster than the RX 480 strictly based on core count and mhz clock. The card wont be bottlenecked by the bus width

Look at the RX 480 crossfire here its about as fast as a 1080 ti. That is with crossfire scaling which is never 100%

This

no one said 50% IPC anywhere, this is absolutely nuts and would put nvidia out of market until 2019

AMD has claimed it

wew, so they're doing the same thing they did to intel to Nvidia?

Worse

I'll believe when I see it, it's not like I have money to buy even a gpu launched in 2013

IPC=/=peak throughput per clock idjits

Clearly
Intel retards think it means per core or someshit

that was with 2xVega in CF, nice try Kumar

2xVega was on the Threadripper PCI lanes demo.

60fps for Prey @4k lmao
thanks for the reminder Singh

All aboard the hype train?

techspot.com/news/69567-purported-amd-vega-benchmark-shows-faster-than-titan.html
>the benchmark below was "confirmed" to be a fake a few weeks back

FAKE

>doom scales with crossfire or sli
Nvidiabots cant handle it

>bottlenecked by HDMI bandwidth
>bottlenecked by T.V producers milking us when we should have insanely high resolutions on the market
think about it, they have over 400ppi on phones, if you scale that imagine what resolution that would be on a 40 inch t.v

I translated the original thread using Google since there is another reply he adds which hints at the level of performance you get out of that wattage. Actual not shit translation: "That depends on the level of performance... :-)"

if it requires 20% more power than a 1080ti but it s 30% faster then it s fine .. i guess .

We can only hope, but just buttfucking Intel is good enough.

More like some dude saying it's not a good sign, then him saying it depends on what kind of performance you get back for it (the huge wattage).
Seems like he's saying jack shit for what the performance is.

but a 1180 is gonna be 35% more powerful than a Vega

I'd like to think he's hinting the extra power draw is worth it since he ends with le smiley face.

It's also likely that they're volting these things to the stratosphere to meet the lowest common denominator of functioning chips, like the first Polaris run.

There's a good chance that many people will be able to undervolt significantly, and possibly even undervolt + overclock in some cases. Default voltage is going to be near the ceiling, probably.

>muh volta
It's bigger Pascal. You'll be lucky if it's 15% faster. And it's not coming until Q2 2018 anyway.

it clearly means the guy thinks the level of performance justifies the Power Consumption so it's hella powerful

1070 levels you faggots just accept it already

Fair enough, he seems like a dick though. Asking what the cooling could be like, when clearly he'd have some knowledge of it.
I definitely wouldn't say clearly.

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2 shekels have been deposited into your account. Nice job goyim.

to be fair the Prey demo hinted in that direction

>1070 levels
>while a Fury X is at 1070 levels too

>vega is clocked way higher than the Fury X and has the same performance level

this is just stupid, they'd have to go backwards for that

Remember that AMD drones never learn.

>Fury X is at 1070 levels

Man how come all AMD owners on Sup Forums magically gain 30% more performance than non-Sup Forums AMD owners?

yeah right, it's impossible to game on ryzen, I forgot

you mean 1060 levels

it's technically possible if you turn down settings a bit you might achieve somewhat smooth 1080p 60fps gaming on modern titles yea

>Retards took one demo out of context
>Completely ignored that Ryzen 7's real competition was the i7-6900K
>Which it matched for half the price imgur.com/a/wMm1C
>All launch day issues with games have pretty much been ironed out by now

You're not making a very compelling point here, dumbass.

>AMD now trickling "Wait for Navi" rhetoric into their "leaker" guerrilla marketing arms

This damage control is so hopeless and pathetic as to be outright piteous.

RTG/ATI is over. Put a fork in it. AMD needs to sell RTG immediately before they tank the actually decent CPU division.

Ryzen can get way more than 60 FPS in modern titles at 1080p. The few exceptions are poorly coded garbage like ARMA 3 and Fallout 4.

How the fuck does any of what that MSI guy said translate to "Wait for Navi"?

>implying that CPU single-thread matters that much with 1080P gaming. Even a shitty Bulldozer can easily pump out 150FPS on those shitty FPS titles.

my 8 yo Athlon X2 can get 60fps in indie gayms too user, we're talking about AAAs such as ARMA 3 and Fallout 4 coincidentally

twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/877972194755837952

>J-just air for Navi... You'll see... Trust us...

sounds like they were close to 1080ti performance and decided to beat it at the cost of efficiency

expecting a superb price/performance card near nvidia's top end

>AAAs such as ARMA 3 and Fallout 4
They're dogshit. Fuck you. Fuck off.

Navi is supposed to bring Infinity Fabric to GPUs, which would be pretty amazing .. if they can pull it off. Remains to be seen if they can. He still says Vega will be worth it, though.

Todd, is that you?

amdbro's, is it over for us? is zen the only thing we can look forward to these days? i really want vega to be good, but there's no way they will even steal marketshare from nvidia even if it is somehow the next r9 290.

who the fuck spends hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on a cpu, just for gaymen..

if what twittergoy said is true,
Vega confirmed to be 90% 1080 levels @ slightly above 1070 price, which is a cute little niche i guess

I seriously doubt Vega is power efficient.
AMD GPUs aren't efficient in any aspect.

Vega will be 10% slower than the 1080ti
Faster in AMD titles (AOS doom)
Will beat the 1080ti in 1 year after driver updates.
Then the 1180 will come out and AMD will be 2 years behind again.

>Vega will be 10% slower than the 1080ti
they actually hinted it to be 10% slower than a regular 1080, but much cheaper

You know, I actually wouldn't mind this, as long as it's significantly cheaper. Like so cheap, 1080 is a fucking retarded purchase, even after an Nvidia price drop

Sounds like Vega is going to be a repeat of 290X

Aw man
Guess we'll just wait™ for Navi then

A 1080 is literally the only GPU worth buying right now due to mining inflation, 1070's cost the same amount as 1080's now. Meanwhile a 1080 is only $400 in the US.

>some random retards on twitter shitposting
>hurr durr vega is DOA

kys cuck

more power to you firend,
still I'd get a 1070 bc of better power consumption and features

it's not about the 2 assholes shitposting, it's about the guy with inside knowledge stfu when they did and being too scared to prove them wrong (hint. he couldn't bc they're right)

Retard #1 is just trying to bait more info. Doesn't make any sense to bite. NDAs and all. And retard #2 doesn't even seem to realize consumer volta isn't coming out until next fucking year. Neither of them are worth replying to.

Yeah, the response is "depends on the performance you get in return [for the wattage]".

Seems to say that yeah, it uses more power than a 1080 or 1080Ti, but it's also better performance (at least in DX12/Vulkan and 4K, presumably)

No read the thread, insider guy admitted volta>1080ti and somewhat above 580 but with better price.

My guess: 1070ish levels maybe a bit weaker but excellent price/perf

I meant

i think it will probably be a 1080 ish with 1070 price

That would make sense. Nvidia has a shit presence in the midrange and budget market, which are the most profitable

Fury X is already on 1070 levels user

This is specifically referring to the tessellation throughput of the front end, it is not IPC, or even total performance.
Don't make wild assumptions about things you don't fully understand. AMD fanboys always build up undue hype then end up burning everyone when reality doesn't meet your false expectations.

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My homey Fott is just trying to get more traffic to his site. He lives off of the money he makes on BitsandChips.

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Is that the same face you make when you're a balding hack?

maybe dx12 vulkan mode that no games use. real numbers point to 1070. going to be delicious when I shove your face in the benchmarks cuck

A balding hack that made himself a millionaire from talking into a camera for youtube AnCaps.

>AMD GPUs aren't efficient in any aspect
Having proper scheduling is totally worth 20-30watts of overhead.

Reminder to report shitposters.

Anyway, AMD is sandbagging as always.
Boring.

So you're telling me a 1060 is faster than a Fury X?

real numbers:
2xVegaCF=90% 1080ti
meaning
Vega=85% 1070

user Fury X at ~1500mhz is some 15% slower than 1080ti. Stop shitposting you tech illiterate Sup Forumsedditor.

Whole lotta
>Source: My ass
going on in here.

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Sorry buddy but everything I've seen lately tells me Vega is going to be another bulldozer

It seems they have somehow regressed performance from polaris - and if they just put out a polaris card with refinements they would've actually been better off.

That's why we haven't heard a peep about how good vega is. It's probably going to be 1080-ish, overpriced, and draw way too much juice. I might be better off buying a 1070 even though I hate nvidia.

AMD seriously fucked this one up.

Put white people in charge of development, stop the diversity hires.

RX480 with 36CU offers over 60% of the GTX 1080's performance at 1080p.
Thats 36 Polaris CU at 1200mhz~

Vega has higher IPC, 64CU, and is clocked over 1500mhz. Even if IPC were totally the same the GPU would perform better than the 1080 simply by having more CU and adequate memory to feed it. With higher clocks it'd outperform the 1080ti.

AMD could have just made a bigger Polaris with HBM and beat the 1080ti.
Vega is targeting Volta performance.

>Vega is targeting Volta performance.
Nah, the die is too small.

>excellent price/perf
>375 watts

Yeah I'll believe it when I see it.

Everything about this thing screams mistake

Its not, not even close.
64CU, IPC improvements, high clocks.

GCN's only hitches have been low clocks due to the short pipeline, and poor memory management. AMD has been addressing both of those head on.

They aren't putting that fuckhueg die into consumer volta, else it's going to cost as much as a small car.

>Put white people in charge of development, stop the diversity hires.

This is Sup Forums. Take your antiscience garbage elsewhere.
What the heck does skin pigmentation have to do with ability to design GPUs is beyond me.

Is it something about sunburn or what? Idiot.

That's the worst bait i've seen today.

>Even if IPC were totally the same the GPU would perform better than the 1080

Here's the mistake you've made:
You've assumed they improved IPC instead of regressing.

It wouldn't be the first time AMD's achieved such a feat.

>ethnicity is only skin color
You're the one espousing the antiscience opinions there, pal.

go back to Sup Forums

GV102 is certainly going to be ~550mm^2.

Actually it is just skin color. The concept of ethnicity is based on country of origin and melanin saturation in the skin determined by sun exposure. So yeah.