Windows XP

>windows XP

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>windows

>using ancient EOL retired OS that hasn't been supported in half a decade
>on war vessels that cost millions of dollars
>single missiles that hundreds or thousands per shot
>won't update computer system to something this decade

y tho

>good enough for royal navy carriers
>you need 64-bit windows 7/8/10 for video juegos

>aircraft carrier with a ramp

>MUH RUSSIAN HACKER meme that everyone uses to cover up their incompetence
kek'd

>XP

A FUCKING RAMP AHAHAHAHAHA

What were the Brits thinking

>XP
>2017

Seriously tho, why did they have to build a computer into a ship? Why not make it a replaceable part like an oil filter or a bearing? I think this is laziness on the builder's part.

>tfw you thought the militaries use some high end secure custom military Linux with AI that checks for attacks

>they are less secure than my smartphone

Same reason a lot of banks use old software. Everything works and people who use it know how to use it. To get everything updated to a new version they'd have to make sure it is 100% compatible and stable with their hardware + train the staff to use it. It would cost millions of dollars.

they also use dos

What a load of clickbait

>OMG is dat windoze EX PEE?
>BOTNET BOTNET
>U GONNA GET HAKKURED

It's like a wangblows bait thread on here

>Windows 10
>Carrier shuts down for updates in the middle of combat

>Linux
>X11 crashes and so do your jets

>airgapped

So what?

Why can't they just make a custom distro that behaves exactly the way the old one does? Every single one of these small handful of ships are custom built already.

>Seriously tho, why did they have to build a computer into a ship?

And do what, strap a guy with a calculator onto the missiles to fly them into targets? It's not 1812 you idiot.

the F35 is an extremely complicated piece of technology way ahead of it's time.

Just wait till some fuckass, tries to watch porn on the computer.

Airgapped in theory. But the military loves "connected battlespaces" and other memes like that. Information streaming between jets, drones, escorts, carriers, and missiles in flight. If there's a vulnerability in that communication protocol, and someone is able to exploit it, it isn't airgapped anymore.

So funny...

>Millions of dollars
>Try $4,452,280,000
>le smug anglo face

meanwhile the kuznetsov is so old that it probably runs on some soviet assembly clone

>Literally just a supersonic harrier with mission creep
>Not every version even needs the finicky Harrier style engine
>Way ahead of it's time

The F-35 languished in development hell for twenty years and it shows.

>behaves exactly the way the old one does

easier said than done, there's bound to be some sort of edge case that gets overlooked

The wannacry attack wasn't targeting XP specifically. In fact most of the screenshots posted were Windows 7 machines.

The whole "XP is insecure xD" thing is a meme. Besides, the government pay Microsoft for continued support for XP.

Windows 7 was protected if your security was up to date, Windows XP didn't get a patch until after the first wave of attacks

>turns out the guardian article is total shit

theregister.co.uk/2015/12/18/windows_for_warships_not_on_queen_elizabeth_class_aircraft_carriers/

>“The MoD can confirm that Windows XP will not be used by any onboard system when the ship becomes operational,” the spokesman added. “This also applies to HMS Prince of Wales.”

>Windows 7 was protected if your security was up to date
Which it usually isn't, and wasn't for the attack to take place, especially since Windows Update works about as well as an ashtray on a motorcycle at the moment.

You can pay for windows xp support. I'm sure they did.

>a fucking ramp

>Which it usually isn't

Forced updates are the best thing that ever happened to computing.

How about walking onto the ship with a Windows 10 computer, plugging it in then installing MissileCalculate 13.6 from the CD. "Built in" is the problem, not the computer.

>ramps

Ramps are for gramps.

It's back in the air already.

literally not

>Windows
>XP

I don't think they still do, I know the US Navy was still using it a few years ago but was trying really hard to get rid of it. Although, it's probably safer to use DOS than XP at this point because very few people are actually making malware that targets DOS these days.

By "ahead of its time" they mean we don't have the technology base to actually make it work well. We'll probably have moon colonies before supersonic VTOL becomes viable.

>We'll probably have moon colonies before supersonic VTOL becomes viable.

For a poster on a technology board you sure are behind the times, grampa

No, I just don't fall for the hype.

>tfw xp didnt/doesnt get infected by wannacry network passingby packets cause the payload would crash/bsod
enjoy your botnet10 summerfags

XP was the last good looking windows.
then aero came and ruined it all and then metro came and made aero look better by comparison.

>wangblows
not even once

Can't say I'm surprised when they need to use a ramp

That's what they get for running a BSD or Linux distro/servers instead lmfao

its worst problem is that
RAMP
A
M
P

super carrier? super sinker!

it runs on a russian version of DOS

>Cuck OSX
>Navigation system fails and you have to send the entire ship back to be replaced

>Nigger OS
>Your files go missing

Am I doing it right XD?

the US military buys a shitton of IBM POWER processors, so at least for some stuff they aren't using windows

Yep, good job.

That's the excuse generated by the tech incompetents who run the military IT infrastructure.
>. It would cost millions of dollars.
Proof you're completely out of your element here. That's nothing to the military and even if they were unusually successful it would be billions.

I was in the military around the time XP was new and I had a totally knuckle dragger job and could see clear evidence of IT stupidity.
Really laughable stuff. Overheard "Yeah for whatever reason the LAN starts slowing down so every night we reboot the switches and it's ok" Lololol it's like a interview question or a cert question but yet they didn't know what was happening. We didn't just have enlisted IT staff of course there were contractors coming through all the time. I don't know if they ever managed to fix it or what. There was other stuff too but that was my wakeup call that most of the military would be cable installers on the outside.

Even the word "cyber" was universally hated by computer pros and security types outside of sci-fi but we're stuck with it because frauds coming out of law enforcement and military managed to get so much undue attention despite being total outsiders to their assumed professions with nearly no exposure to it's culture.

Oh yeah the military has been using UNIVAC computers still after decades.. these are collector's items whose logic could easily be simulated but according the the frauds in the military it's better to run those systems on machines with actual part shortages

>>Linux
>>X11 crashes and so do your jets
Nah there are plenty of framebuffer servers that are just fine

>>windows XP
It was probably SP2 when the plans for HMSQE2 were drawn up.

>HURR! LET'S SHIT ON XP BY POSTING NEWS ABOUT A RANSOMWARE THAT HAPPENED OVER A MONTH AGO THAT MOSTLY TARGETED WINDOWS 7 EVEN THOUGH A PATCH HAS BEEN RELEASED FOR IT!

Mainly hardware and specific software used.
For example, i worked in a CNC shop, we had 3 year old machines that cost about 1.2 million dollars a piece, they all ran windows XP because the BTB software was only compatible with XP and thats what everyone used and was trained on.
Its dumb as shit, but thats just how it was.
My neighbor works at a gas station that still uses Windows 95 for everything because the pumps only work with 95, there are even new chip reading card readers made in the last year that are designed to be compatible with windows 9x systems

>won't update computer system to something this decade

A navy computer needs to not only be literally bulletproof, but also fireproof.
They will translate smoke signals into machine code run on 600 tons of iron mainframes if it means the computer will run 30 seconds longer while the machine room is undergoing unscheduled renovations courtesy of enemy shells.

>Everything works
Nothing works, nothing will ever work, and if you want to have a secure system, you should use the latest stable version of all software you are using. This means either Windows 10 with the latest updates, or the latest Ubuntu or Red Hat with the latest updates. If your software breaks because you updated the OS and libraries, you need to fix your software so that it is not so sensitive to changes.

It is not acceptable to use an operating system released in 2001, when it is currently 2017. In fact, it stopped being acceptable to use XP in 2006. You have had 11 years to update to better software and chose not to.

>Windows 10
Why would they upgrade to an OS that installs updates and restarts without warning?

>2006 instead of 2009
Not everyone wanted to use Vista.

You know there are ways to disable those, right?

And nonetheless, it has been 8 years since 2009. Even if we are to give the excuse that someone did not want to use Vista, they should have at least upgraded to 7 when it came out.

>latest stable version
>Windows 10
>stable
KEK
When businesses have more compliments for Ubuntu on stability and not making problems than Windows 10, then that shows how fucked you are.

>durrr we should Install Windows 10 on military hardware
>missile launch supposed to start
>WINDOWS UPDATE IN PROGRESS
>"something happened"
>*blue screen*

Considering that Ubuntu is designed for stability and ease of use, this is pretty par for the course.

And besides that, in the military it's generally considered better to have something old with known problems that you know how to deal with rather than something new which will probably throw a previously unknown problem at you at an inopportune time. Better it fails in a way you know how to deal with rather than having to work out the problem from scratch while you're under fire.

Sure, "modern" and "more features" do come into the equation, but a feature needs to be really fucking compelling and practical for whatever the machine's intended use is to be worth making the leap. Most of the OS features we talk about as reasons to upgrade just aren't going to be relevant if all the machine in question needs to do is run this program to control these missile launchers over this interface.

you way, way, way underestimate the extent to which normies (in all areas - business, military...) hate change. They want to buy something and then have it work forever, with zero need to ever mess with it ever again unless you need different functionality. They haven't yet (and may well never) internalize the fact that that's simply not acceptable for software that connects in any way shape or form to the internet.

How are you forgetting about the embedded versions of XP? There are two versions that have support until 2019.

For a lot of things - CNC machinery, for example - they shouldn't be connected to the internet in any way, shape or form.

Most of the united states nuclear powered submarines as well as most of our aircraft carriers run Windows XP.

Source: Bunch of friends in navy make fun of it all the time.

why would a lan slow down at night? backing up?

Pro Tip:
The govt doesnt use standard XP.

They use a special release version of it tightened up my both microsoft, NIST, and DoD with long term support in mind.

It doesnt matter if they call it windows 3.1, its not the same XP as what everyone else used to use it was just developed at the same time using it as a template

>HMS Prince of Wales

Strange to have a ship named after a title, so it's not actually permanently in honour of a specific person.

Like if the USS Theodore Roosevelt carrier was just called the USS President.

>XP was the last good looking windows.

Maybe if you're a preschooler.

>X11
>on a military vessel
are you fucking high

There have been two USS Presidents
one of them later renamed HMS President, even.

>yfw you joined Sup Forums when the pre-Nanami OS-Tans were in their sunset.
Where does the time go?

>Strange to have a ship named after a title, so it's not actually permanently in honour of a specific person.
I dunno, seems pretty reasonable to me. You can have ships named after specific people as well, even if they hold/held the position another ship is named for.

the fuck did they do to os-tans
that waifu shittery isn't it

If you did the POSready2009 registry trick to keep getting updates then you got the early patch the same time as the other OS'es

The XP patch released later is the exact same update just rebranded as being for full XP.

The embedded theme is nice. Even then XP is the last windows to have the full blown classic theme.

Hospitals do this for the same reason.

The F-35 is a flying joke developed by incompetent retards.

And I'm not talking about the nitty-gritty engineers who designed it. I'm talking about the managers and project leaders who didn't plan for things like... lights that meet FAA requirements when flying in the USA during peace time, weapons bays that don't support upcoming weapons, pilot oxygen systems that still don't work properly for some reason.

The whole platform has been fucked from the start.

My internet always slowed down when it rained.

It turned out to be the exposed cable was getting sliced by the lawn mower people and water would seep into the cable causing a bad signal.

Can confirm. At my work we have a punch machine for sheet metal. Had XP and some ancient computer for NcCad till last month when the harddrive bombed out.

Hello burger.

...

Where can I get these cases?

PTS-DOS

Post-traumatic stress disk operating system?

Well how else are they supposed to play Space Cadet Pinball?

>If there's a vulnerability in that communication protocol, and someone is able to exploit it, it isn't airgapped anymore.
No, it's just not airgapped, period, even if there are no vulnerabilities. Airgapped means there's no network connection.

>old embedded OS on some old thing
Why would it have Internet access, tho?

Credit card readers and receipt printers typically come with RS232 ports (along with the USB) to connect to anything. Writing a printer driver is a fairly easy task as you can skip any GUI widgets and most of the things that actually change between windows versions. The card reader should be even easier to talk to.

I serviced cash register computers ages ago, it wasn't possible to order hard drives small enough (20 gigs at the time) to fit the spec so I suggested getting laptop drives and adapters only to get that look from my boss.

I served in the naval forces of my country, some stuff are on even older systems- win 98 and 2000.

Main reason is the don't want to take risks. these systems save human lives, they can't take the risk of upgrading them and have an unexpected bug that can potentially lead to human death.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

I can't remember the last time I laughed at how accurate something is.

>>If it ain't broke, don't fix it
"has known exploitable security holes" should be viewed as "broken, in need of fixing"

Are you guys listening?

Windows fucking sucks

It sucks for personal use and has a hundred different stupid problems and caveats that are constantly threatening to break or interfere with what you're doing, but you'd simply be a fool to depend on it for anything professional

Nobody uses Windows for their server. NOBODY. You know why? Because it's an infinite fractal of stupid, shitty designs and when you have a product or service that depends on being reliable or even working in the most literal sense you'd be a fool to depend on it

Windows fucking blows. Nobody likes it and they never did. The only reason people don't hate it more is because people hate Apple and people assume by association that Windows is good because it's not Apple

The F35 epitomises the term military–industrial complex. The thing it does best is syphon government money into Lockheed's pockets.