>shitton of updates available
>net upgrade size:
> -12MB
OBONGO BABBYS BTFO
DEVIAN FAGS BTFO
FEDORA NECKBEARDS BTFO
My system gets smaller and faster with every upcoming update.
How do you even live with your 15GB desktop environments? I couldn't handle that bullshit for one day. And god knows what spyware they could've just bundled in your bloatware :^)
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kek, I love how debian and ubuntu broke the erlang and some c dev packages because they are stupid but they work flawlessly in arch, these distros are made for idiots man
Good luck when you need to print something or hook up your laptop to projector.
I bet you can't even connect your phone properly on it.
Arch developers are fucking geniouses. They don't give priority to user-friendliness, stability, backwards compatibility (although they DO care about those things - look at how detailed the Arch Wiki is and how most of the stuff from the official repo Just Werks TM) - the only thing they care about is the quality and simplicity of the distro.
They will break things, if neccessary, just to make things better, faster, more efficient. I sense a lot of similarities to Terry A. Davis' stance towards TempleOS.
Arch is literally the closest thing to God's OS we can have in Linux. (yeah its linux fuk off stallman)
that is why it still uses systemd
kek
and 140MB of memory cold boot.
Why would I worry about downloading packages If I can keep 60% of the repository on the hard drive?
archfaggots on suicide watch
>what is cups + print-manager
>what is xrandr/arandr
lol just because you're a brainlet doesn't mean a distro is hard to use.
There's LITERALLY a fucking printer-dedicaded page of Arch Wiki just for people like you.
I've had plenty of negative size updates in Ubuntu. Nice bait OP. Now kys
arch has a good natural selection barrier from preventing morons to get inside, its why Sup Forums hates it I guess. it shows them their real intelligence
>his distro's repository is so outdated he can keep it all on the hard drive
wew lad
>his distro uses systemd
I was just using those as an example.
You will need one of those "bloat" features sooner or later.
my root partition is barely over 9G
>implying you actually know shit about init systems and aren't just following the "WAAAH SYSTEMD IS EVIL" herd mentality
kys cuck
>I am dumb therefore everyone has to be
Is it the mentality of an average arch user?
Really destroyed my xorg.confs
Still uses systemd.
Install Void.
I'm not talking about size, you moron. If you can keep the whole repository on your hard drive without needing to update them every few weeks (which would render your hard-drive repo useless), then it implies that the repositories themselves aren't updated for months, otherwise you would have compatibility issues.
Enjoy your swiss-cheese security, brainlet.
Is this a cringe thread?
Okay cuck, I'm listening.
What issue did you ever have with systemd?
Explain yourself and you get another (You).
Only by default
wiki.archlinux.org
systemd-free.org
>be bloated American
>complain about bloated software while you continue to bloat yourself more
what did he mean by this
Do you really expect me to spoonfeed you?
Do your own homework kid, there are plenty of resources available online.
MAYBE if you weren't wasting time on maintaining your desktop system you'd probably have enough time to learn about it already.
im sure if i was running a Ti89 id care about a few measly gigabytes too :^)
Don't bother explaining to those brainlets. Those Windows babbys still think a "distro" is something you install and can't change ever.
Those are the same people who hate Obongo just because it uses Unity.
>BABBYS
>BABIES
arch is actually good but removing unnecessary stuff is easier than downloading whole lot of stuff yourself it wastes a lot of time if you are fresh installing.
but a lot distros, you can hardly call them bloaty like 1000s of packages installed and all of it takes just 1 or so gb while people are using 20 gb windows. like you wont know what you need until you actually get stuck in situation like in a presentation you are suddenly required to use printer what if your arch can't support it, i know its easy to fix but its a hassle and will cause some disturbance on the spot
i am really loving my #!++
>Do you really expect me to spoonfeed you?
lol a retard doesn't have any issue so he pretends that I'm the one ignorant on the subject so that he can still feel superior
>WAAAH ARCH LINUX BREAKS ALL THE TIME
>"well systemd works out of the box"
>WAAAH SYSTEMD IS EVIL
>"what issue did you have with it?"
>WAAAH I DONT WANNA SPOONFEED U IM ELITE WAAAH
you're pathetic
welcome to Sup Forums :^)
>> -12MB
Yeah, but all packages are cached on the disk and you have to delete it with a separate option.
>you're pathetic
says the person with smug animeshit reaction image and a bunch of strawmans with a sprinkle of adhominems as his counter argument
kek
systemd goes against the entire unix philosophy you fucking ape, not even the guy you are talking too.
if you need it explained to you why systemd is a bad, you know diddly shit about the concept of the operating system youre running.
>this entire thread
than why manjaro is hated too it doesn't use systemd, if systemd is that bad than people should ignore some hiccups to run an os without systemd and also can we change init system on any OS just curious
>muh unix philosophy
If you don't like it, don't install it. I like it, I've never had an issue with it, so I keep it on my system. As simple as that.
You obviously can't even rationalize your own opinion, let alone explain it to another person so please keep you cuck anti-systemd opinions to yourself.
shitteee
>20 packages
>shitton up updates available
Are you honestly surprised?
This fucker made emacs and literally every GNU software is a bloated monstrocity that fucks standards to be more `compatible'.
I wish I will have GNU-less distro one day, I only have to wait for when you can compile kernel with clang and to find what the hell needs coreutils in Void.
i am having hard time finding why systemd is bad on google people are just talking its trash and shit no one is talking about backdoors and shit but i saw an user here talking that the reason systemd is hated is because its pretty much proven that fbi has a backdoor but i am not seeing why people are getting angry here if it just werks for others if there is no security issue, on google everyone is just telling its flaws no fbi nasa stuff like windows
My personal grudge is with systemd's fucked up fsck handling. You can not skip it and when I tried f2fs which had no fsck at the time, systemd fucking bootlooped.
And it didn't even give any warning or anything about fsck.
Developers say that the way systemd handles fsck is a 'feature'. Fuck that. Never turning back.
>What is BSD?
What did he mean by this?
>fbi nasa stuff like windows
Fucking NASA. First the fucked Challenger and now they're fucking our OSes.
lennart you're getting low now
*they
Sadly, BSD is incompatible with my hardware.
so if it works for others than why all that hate you are just harming yourself (to all people who start ripping their hair our on syetemd) its just flawed like a lot of other things. and also doesnt stallman use trisquel it uses systemd
Ah. Apologies for the condescending tone friend.
>why all that hate you are just harming yourself
I only comment on systemd when people say that there is no problems with it and everyone who hates it just wants to be cool.
>RMS
You may see my opinion of him in this post
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Enjoy your (you)
No worries. I wish I could try BSD one day,
i still cant find some actual things that make your almonds activated like all the controversies about windows and its telemetry and other privacy compromising things that really made me scream out that really rolls my jimmies and i am using debian now and i am really enjoying it
Might as well install gentoo
*hands a chill pill*
>bloated monstrocity that fucks standards to be more `compatible'.
wtf are you smoking? What standards have to use a text editor with epic feature creep? Yeah, nothing.
Shitty clang can compile patched kernel. coreutils isn't flawless but the best for general use cases.
I used Arch for about 7 years, slackware before that.
Now I unironically prefer Windows 10
and I like VS:Code more than vim, come at me
>come at me
Why? You are already punished yourself with shitty tech.
>if you dont like it dont install it
>i like it so i installed it, therefore im right
I merely said that the reason why systemd is bad is obvious, if you disagree, go ahead and use it I dont give a shit. But youre not "right" or any derivative thereof just because you use systemd.
>unix "philosophy" makes sw good
It's 2017, not 1987.
But why. That OS is buggy and bloated. Not to mention the menu fragmentation and registry. How can an Arch user seriously enjoy that?
Arch has the shittiest repo of all distros. AUR is a biggest mess than Ubuntu's ecosystem
If you are enjoying it, good for you.
My problem (becides the god damned bootlop on a pc, FFS, how is that even possible) is that it consumes and integrates some pretty cool utilities, making them inseparable part of systemd.
I strongly dislike this practice. (Also, most of the stuff on without-systemd web page makes sense to me)
y even use aur
I use official repos for everything except neofetch (need it for ricing threads lol)
>wtf are you smoking?
nothing. Look at bash, gcc or coreutils. Each of them has the parts I've been talking about.
Not to mention the dependency nightmare it create. My browser should never expect a certain init system to be installed. In face I'm not sure why my browser should even care about my init system at all.
50% of the programs I use arent in the official repos or they're up to date on other distros but have abandoned packages on Arch. I want to like Arch but it seems like i can only use it for funposting and watching anime
> If you are enjoying it, good for you.
/thread
It's just fine. No headaches, no bother, does what I need it to do.
Arch was fine until something went wrong, then it was absolutely, completely, very definitely not fine. I've had similarly bad experience in Windows years ago, but Win10 is pretty alright.
>systemd makes linux good
Its 2017, not 1984
Is this copypasta? It smells like it, but I don't recognize it
>but Win10 is pretty alright.
This is either bait, or you haven't experienced any mayor update.
Being using win 10 (LTSB) since 2015 and never had problems. It does have glitchs with big games, but i don't even play them, so.
Not the quoted.
No, I wrote it out of my head, but it might just become one. Just need to spam Sup Forums a little while and people will catch on.
>Really destroyed my xorg.confs
nearly every thread on this board is.
>OBONGO BABBYS BTFO
>DEVIAN FAGS BTFO
>FEDORA NECKBEARDS BTFO
Only on Sup Forums could a post so childish and inflammatory get so many replies.
>50%
list 'em because i smell bullshit
if it's not up to date you can check the pkgbuild
no one forced you to use it either way
if you want pre build binaries use launchpad - have fun finding out how they were build
Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer
perspective, not the user one. Using systemd made it simpler than ever
in that regard because much more work is taken care of by both the
systemd developers and all of the projects shipping unit files.
It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare
compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional
whenever possible.
It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom /
choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases
where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of
the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the
comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken,
as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of
python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't
strive to offer choices like this, and never has. It would mean a *lot*
more complexity on the development side of things along with major
deviations from upstream.
Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users
has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there
aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are
made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity.
> it is not simple, not minimalist, and not user-centric.
Certainly not minimalist, but those other two claims are questionable.
Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module
available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat
related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional
features enabled across all the packages, etc.
Arch is actually really good. Been using it for a few years now without any breakages.
Arch is the opposite of a distribution with lots of user freedom. Users
will come and go based on whether they like the technical decisions made
by the developers. The popularily of those decisions has no impact on
how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it.
and?
You can still use it, it's just becoming increasing more difficult at a
pretty steady pace. Those packages didn't suddenly pick up systemd
dependencies in the past few weeks / months anyway. The version control
logs disprove the claim that there are many recent changes.
I use windows mainly because it's the only os which actually gets hibernation working
If that wouldn't be an issue I'd switch to arch
>hurr durr
Have you even read the fucking Hibernation section on arch wiki? It tells you literally how to enable hibernation service in 4 steps.
Hibernation, reboot, suspend, hybrid sleep - they all work perfectly on my laptop. Youre just a lazy brainlet.
The extra packages in Debian is well worth the stability and ease of use. I've never had to repair my system or manually remove broken packages. Everything is automated through the package manager and it works like magic.
Also I'm not poor and my boot drive is 1TB so update sizes mean nothing to me.
I use Ubuntu because I don't have time to dick around with my OS. But I know they haven't bundled spyware with it, because there are people out there who do have time to dick around with Ubuntu, and if there were spyware in it, they would know, because Ubuntu is open source.
But not for me you sack of shit
The GPU driver hangs after waking up
Also it's slow as fuck compared to windows
>I bet you can't even connect your phone properly on it.
Sure you can, it's simple.
>xorg.confs
Better watch out for the Y2K bug too.
>stuck in situation like in a presentation you are suddenly required to use printer
Put the files on a thumb drive and print it from that. You can run into issues like this on any OS, tbpf.
The annoying guy who is using anime drawings to express emotion in the thread is getting lynched by maybe 1 or 2 disgruntled gentlemen and it is hilarious.
Really though. As annoying as the guy who posts anime is, he actually has a valid point and that is that you people argue like children.
There is nothing constructive about your opinions which leads me to believe your motivation for flinging them in here is due to your inability to control your emotions.
You're like the SJW of the software world.
>unix philosophy
Take your philosophy to MacForums please. Linux Is Not UniX.
>anti-bloat
>systemd
Pssst, don't say it too loud
>but have abandoned packages on Arch
Then contribute the packages you want to see to the AUR. That's why it's there. Don't like something you see in the AUR? Bitch about it in the appropriate way, and it'll be removed. Christ, you people act as though Arch is a punishment.
>The popularily of those decisions has no impact on
>how things are done, regardless of how vocal users are about it.
So it's just like Debian? Hmm, I'll have to check that out.
Systemd is the future, kid.
>break things
>just to make things better
I don't want my X to stop working after an update just so it could be "better, faster, more efficient" in the future.
This is why Debian has stable, testing and unstable. If you don't mind things breaking while they become better, use unstable. For everything else there's testing, so you can have a reliable OS that won't fail on you.
>he unironically praises Arch for being perpetually unstable
>he still thinks X has problems on arch
sounds like the arch natural selection got you buddy
arch is a tinkerers OS.
its nature isn't productivity.
its self-contained creativity.
The Unix philosophy isn't necessarily a good thing. The only web browser that might follow it is Mothra and it's an unmaintained piece of shit.
How can SystemD be the future if it is bloat?