We are starting a hub for anons interesting in VR. All text is a WIP.
>What is VR? Why should I care? Virtual reality seeks to fool your perceptual systems into believing that you're in a different world. It's been a sci-fi meme for decades that once was even attempted and failed, but consumer technology has advanced to the point where it's now possible.
>A not very serious compilation of trailers demonstrating current VR vimeo.com/222520924
>But VR is a dumb gimmick and- This thread isn't for you. Go shitpost somewhere else. If you're genuinely curious about VR, keep reading to learn more, and post if you have questions.
>I'm not sure I believe the hype. The only way to truly understand VR is to experience it. If you're skeptical, try a live demo and make up your own mind. Or keep reading for a comprehensive intro.
>News and developments -Echo Arena beta is open July 6th to 10th, download it free now on the Oculus store, it's good shit -Oculus Rift w/ Touch is on sale and costs $450 (down from $800 at launch) -Alien: Isolation is getting worked on to support VR by a modder on Reddit who also works on HL2 VR -Knuckles dev kits in developers' hands being shown off
>Reminder: Redirect shitposters to the OP. If they do not read it, have not read it, or don't take into account information from it, tell them to, or don't even bother. Shitposting is not what we're here for.
>To-do: PSVR guide and more PSVR info. More tips and resources for the headset guides. Better/more info for everything.
Tyler Reed
bumping
Adam Bailey
pharmaceuticals, hard as nails to the cuticles, where'd you find that monster? she beautiful.
Daniel Cooper
Anyone gearing up to play Echo Arena? The open beta last time was really fun.
Caleb Thompson
Bump.
Benjamin Watson
More bumps.
Ian Hughes
I'm about to buy a Rift soon.
I'm not even interested in the gimmicky aspects, like motion controls, I just want a 3D headset for the immersion.
Thomas Adams
The controllers aren't a gimmick and are vital to immersion in most games (driving and flying games being an exception where you'd use a dedicated controller).
Henry Cruz
OP here. If you're getting Touch anyway though, I recommend you read basically everything in the Rift user guide I've written.
Also since it seems you think motion controls are a gimmick, I suggest you consume the intro paste when you get the time. Should take no more than an hour including watching the videos there.
Andrew Butler
From the Q&A:
>Motion controllers suck though, why would I want them? Motion controllers were never good because they firstly were not good enough on a technological level but more importantly they weren't used well with the applications companies tried using them for (games on flat screens). Now because we have VR, we need a better way to control things, because the keyboard and mouse is not very suitable for instance. If you're playing a VR FPS without motion controllers, what you would perceive is a gun stuck to your face with artificial hands coming out of your body. The only thing that does is break immersion. If you want to actually feel like you are the hero himself slaying monsters, you can use motion controllers and you will actually feel like you're holding a sword, albeit an almost weightless sword, because you have something in your hand that you're gripping, and the motion tracking is good enough that you see the sword right there in the place of the controller almost like someone replaced it with a hologram (previous motion controllers did not have good enough tracking to make this possible, so with those, you might see the holographic sword stutter and drift all over the place, not in your hand). Now developers still have to find ways to make it fun, but they're already coming up with good interactive design that's a lot better than what was done with motion controllers on flat TV gaming.
Kevin Wright
They are still gimmicky. Most games don't support them and most games won't for at least a decade.
I'm talking actual AAA games here.
As I said, I'm not getting it for the VR holodeck experience.
Jack Gonzalez
So you don't actually want to play VR games (most of which support the motion controllers and most of the games worth playing require them), you just want a 3D HMD. I'd say just get a 3D monitor unless you really must have it on your face (privacy or space issues I guess). You'll get a much better resolution that way.
Jose Bell
If you just want to play regular games but in 3D, the Rift isn't actually very good for that. I can say that you will also find the "holodeck" experience of VR to be a much more worthwhile use. Again please read and watch the stuff in the intro if you get the chance.
David Clark
By the way, thanks for the post. I'm going to produce a detailed answer to this and put it in the Q&A.
John Williams
Actually this highlights an interesting problem. I'm going to instead put a list of high value software from AAA games to other use cases right in the intro paste, though it'll take some time to compile.
Andrew Price
VIRTUIX OMNI AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE FUCKING WHEN???
Caleb Thomas
>slidey slidey "walking"
Not hyped for that to be honest. I'd rather just stick with stick locomotion.
Angel Howard
Should I get cheap VR glasses for Android on eBay?
Andrew Johnson
The intro paste should contain all the info you need to judge for yourself what the answer to that question is.
The most likely answer: no.
Cameron Harris
Bump bump.
Levi Scott
If anyone from Prague wants to try VR, let me know. It can be arranged.
Carter Fisher
Good man. By chance, have you also added an entry to the worldwide demos map?
Mason Carter
Bumparino
Luis Cox
Im only interested in porn...
Austin Lopez
Fuck VR. Where is the waifu bots at? When will the technology be mature? I am tired of the vaginal jew.
William Thompson
>vaginal jew onahole nigga.
Luke Harris
Any decent VR + XB Controller games on PC? I can't afford a Vive yet, it costs almost 3x the US price. So I found riftcat and wanted to try a bunch of stuff. I have Project Cars and looking at Subnautica, what else do you recommend?
Thomas Anderson
Maybe I missed it, but your pastebins don't seem to have purchasing advice for cellphone gear.
I recently purchased an Axon 7, which has a 2k screen and is Daydream ready. What do I need to buy in order to be able to play games with it?
Headset? Bluetooth Controller?
Blake Jackson
The Japanese just released a new sex doll that has Honda Asimo software.
It can walk, load a dishwasher and washing machine, give itself a bath and plug itself into a wall when its battery get low.
$155,000 >cheaper than a wife
Jose Parker
where can i order this shit?
Gavin Bell
Not for sale yet. It's just a prototype. >Nov 2018
Jaxon Wood
finally.
Lucas Flores
You think in 10-20 years we will have an AI fully capable of passing the Turing test? Meaning a proper waifu bot with all the good traits of a female and with non of the bad.
Alexander Carter
If we do, it would suck. SJWs would most certainly start advocating for their rights.
>imagine losing your house to a sexbot in a common law divorce where the judge was big red >this is very likely timeline
Lucas Cooper
you're forgetting the bachelor tax.
Jaxson Cook
I said all the good traits with non of the bad user therefore she is technically incapable of asking for divorce.
Brayden Powell
You're not getting it.
When the technology is capable of passing the Turing test, SJWs will make putting behavior governors on them illegal. They'll call it a "sentient life violation" or something like that.
Justin Bailey
Installing a custom firmware is always an option.
Levi Ramirez
You don't really think we're going to just let you keep all of the good jobs and replace us with machines, do you?
Jason Sanders
The day of the machine is soon you psycho roastie, we have absolutely zero reason to keep up with your bullshit. Also NoFap™ here so don't start the "keep fucking your hand" bullshit with me.
Ethan Price
daydream headset
apps: Virtual Virtual Reality desu thats the only decent VR experience I've had. It was pretty cool tho...way too fucking short, finished in like an hour and a half. (*really longer because also you really should take a break every 5 minutes or so to make sure your Axon 7 isn't melting)
Bentley Sanders
We control governments and schools now, sperglord. Speak out against us and we'll get you fired.
Ignore this faggot. It will cook your phone. >wrapping the phone in plastic AND felt was a good idea
James Nguyen
it will only cook it a little bit
haven't noticed anything wrong with my axon 7, aside from the mildly melted case...screen is what matters and thats fine tho!
Also FYI for all ITT as far as daydream goes YOU DO NOT NEED A DAYDREAM PHONE FOR DAYDREAM SHIT. YOU JUST NEED SOMETHING THAT CAN RUN ANDROID 7.1 AND A 1080p screen. Edit a line in two files and bam your phone is 'daydream approved(tm)'
Angel Miller
>1080p screen >VR
kys
Jace Wood
It's not great but it IS VR. It's enough to smell it. 2k screen is enough to taste it. 4k is getting a better taste but still just a taste.
8k and above is where it actually is. VR won't really take off mainstream until that happens.
Is Google daydream dead? I have a Moto Z and think about getting one.
Nathaniel Baker
Currently, the Samsung Gear VR has a huge advantage when it comes to apps and games thanks to the integration with the Oculus Store. I think this will change over time given the sheer size and scope of Google. At the moment, Samsung has the edge because it had quite the head start.
Samsung Gear VR for now but expect Google Daydream to catch up or overtake by the end of this year.
Jose Gomez
If publishers aren't investing in VR games, why should consumers invest in VR hardware?
Daniel Ramirez
>I'd say just get a 3D monitor unless you really must have it on your face Yes, it's about immersion, 3D monitor ain't as good, I have one right now.
Robert Cook
All the games I'm planning to play work fine, I've played around with a Rift for a few days when I was visiting a friend.
Luke Parker
I think VR is a great opportunity of indie developers. Make the right game and you could tap into a market full of starving customers.
Thomas Brooks
I have not and I am not planning to, since I would have to use google.
Tyler Campbell
If consumers aren't investing in VR hardware, why should publishers invest in VR games?
Thomas Richardson
The real answer is that publishers are actually making VR content, just not content on the level of $100 million+ investments, but more on the range of $1-20 million investments depending on title. Robo Recall for instance apparently costed near the amount that was used to create the first Gear of War. Oculus is funding stuff like that. Sony has funded stuff like RE7. Valve has invested in an unknown number of titles, but they are also in the process of developing three "full" VR games.
Ian Campbell
>thinks strapping an lcd screen to your forehead is revolutionary...
just wait for virtual retina displays, that beam the image directly into your retina. now that's something to look forward to.
Daniel Moore
Check literally the second entry on the Q&A paste. But first go read the intro to actually be educated about what current VR is. Also the screens are OLED for most good VR headsets.
Levi Martin
I wouldn't recommend Subnautica at all. When I tried it, its VR implementation was fucking awful. Menus opened up off-screen and you couldn't navigate them. Moving around in your VR space to get them on screen didn't help, they just moved with you and stayed out of focus.
Far worse though was that it made me motion sick within 20 minutes. I'm usually not very sensitive to things like that and I've played different older FPS games in VR with Vorpx, but Subnautica punched me in the balls.
Thomas Rodriguez
topkek, you didn't even understand what he said
William Lee
>>cheaper than a wife don't know about that, all the sluts I've been, always paid for my shit instead of the other way around
I know, I'm a lazy fuck
Gabriel Morales
>Turing test? Hurts to see such shit being mentioned on Sup Forums of all places. Then again, Sup Forums pretty much is Sup Forumsermin normie centre.
Ryder Cook
Any decent fap material for the new gear VR that's easy to set up for a retard?
Christopher Sanders
Oh Learned One please enlighten us with your endless knowledge.
inb4 you won't because only thing you're capable of is shitposting on a chinese cartoon website.
Parker Mitchell
The topics still apply since he's implying that current technology is much less than it really is.
Has anyone used Janus VR: The World within the Web? I have it but not sure what the hell it's on about. Just got my vive last Sunday, totally worth it.
Jayden Robinson
Been meaning to check it out sometime but I just got no time yet for that and I already have a backlog of stuff to check out on my hard drive. Echo Arena being the thing I'm going to play next.
Gavin Campbell
I've got that one. Most of it is expensive as fuck though.
William Torres
Yeah. Dunno if there's any other good free stuff. Maybe /t/ knows.
Jacob Ramirez
Bumper.
Jaxon Jones
It's gonna be a real downer when the 2nd great depression happens and all this awesome tech is shelved for 50 years right before release.
Jose Bell
When's the second great depression happening?
Gavin Ramirez
>Whatever man, shitpost away. >make a mistake >get called out so you actually maybe understand what you did wrong >hurr you're shitpost
Josiah Gonzalez
There is no Turing test. The thing people how are misinformed like to call Turing test is also not a definitive test. Not even a good one in any light.
Lucas Lewis
and most we get is shovelware. Indies have an opportunity when the big guys can't make the numbers work. I hope it works for Bethesda.
Angel Carter
ok? Then what is a published AI test? Does it even exist?
Jacob Long
Hard to say since the fed just prints more money for bailouts every time it starts. Eventually it won't matter how much money they print. Some say the depression is as close as next month, some say sometime in the next decade.
Ryder Williams
Interesting. So does the fed know? They'd have to know at what point that printing more money wouldn't solve the problem, right?
Brandon Mitchell
Why do all of the controllers suck?
Jason Lee
Because you obviously haven't used the Rift controllers. I can't speak for the Vive ones but I can't imagine they're too terrible, the track pad might suck as bad as the Steam controller though.
Jonathan White
Believe me, the trackpad isn't good. I'd go as far as to say they're in some ways worse than the Steam controller because of HTC fuckery. The Valve Knuckles controllers should be way better.
Touch is nice, though.
Thomas Long
The Oculus Touch controllers are actually really good as far as controller design goes. The Vive ones do kind of suck and so do the PS Move controllers. But at least on the Vive side Valve is designing new controllers they themselves will manufacture, not HTC.
Camden Taylor
So is the OSVR shit? I don't see it in the guide. Price seems nice, worried about support (Heard it stutters, but that might be due to the fact you need so many wrappers to get it to work)
Owen Turner
Yup. Not recommended. Even if you were a "tinkerer", it is not a good quality product for even that use-case. In the end, the tech is just so shit that it's not worth tinkering with to get a mediocre experience that doesn't obtain the holy grail of "presence" which is the whole point of the current VR headsets. .
Eli Rodriguez
That sucks, half the price and some of the specs are actually better. Guess with crap drivers and support it doesn't really matter. (which is why I haven't bothered, seems like there are too many APIs)
Jordan Cox
When markets get so panicky that people lose their minds and start selling everything in fear of loss.
Kayden Bell
It's a shame. They could have been the big open source flag waiver of VR. Now we can only wait on Khronos.
Isaiah Cox
How come Illusion is unable to top Honey Select with mods? They've been experimenting with VR for years, and some guy on GitHub is still making better VR experiences than they are.
Ethan Reyes
Illusion begins code monkeys, only reason illusion still make games, Is because only in japan could make games like honey select.
Brayden Flores
Some part of me says it's actually because of a language barrier and not being able to learn Unity well. Their games run like shit and have tons of problems. Thank god for the modders. But at this point maybe we should just make our own game instead of building on something that's not so great.
Isaiah Jenkins
Feels like it's been some time since the last game from them came out. They still haven't announced anything new yet?
Ryan Diaz
Where I'm working at, they got into VR 2 years ago and it's booming. A lot of companies want to develop their new immersive VR experience to sell their shit, secourists want to make a game to train their new recruits, belgian create some big VR arcade place where you play with futuristic guns and a gaming rig in your backpack, trains company want to make VR tour of their stations.... etc. I hope I'll be assigned to some VR project soon, I'm tired of Webgl and JS.
Learn some Unity and Unreal, develop some shitty VR games to show off and get on the train guys.
Chase Young
You saying there's actually money in this business right now? I find that hard to believe.
Isaiah Bennett
They released VR Kanojo just a few months ago.
Jordan Hall
I thought that was more of like a tech demo type thing. I don't remember it was anywhere near the size of a full Illusion game.
Isaac Watson
Could be just prototype for R&D purposes that they thought was good enough to sell as a small work. I think there's a good chance their next big game actually will integrate VR pretty well. Or maybe not because it's Illusion we're talking about here, who knows.
Austin Martin
thoughts on buying chink VR? I don't feel like paying $800 just to try it out, and I also don't have my shit together for room scale just yet. the displays seem just as good according to the specs and they're like 1/3 the price.
Logan White
No Chinese headset is worth it currently. They're just very bad products that actually don't do what you want them to do.
