If you want help: >Assemble your parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA) >List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate >Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs? How to assemble a PC, select components & more (kind of outdated) wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC
CPUs: No i5 unless discounted >G4560/G4600 - Budget builds (R5 1400 - Cheapest quad core you can get (Ryzen 3 soon) >R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can >R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks >i7 7700k - 144hz only >R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming
GPUs: Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser >Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games >GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both >RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz >RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games >GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high >GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p >GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games
RAM: >Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM >Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM
General: ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS! Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor. The Ryzen lineup comes with surprisingly good stock coolers. consider using them over any
why is building a pc so disapointing today? everything is mb except the gpu
Matthew Phillips
Trying to build a fairly inexpensive rig that can play some of my favorite older games. Not looking to run anything at 8k 6000fps, just wanna be able to play like borderlands and civilization at a pretty good resolution. I’d also like it to be fairly small, I’ve seen some of these cases at Fry’s that are the size of a nightstand and I really don’t need that either. I don’t know a lot about this stuff please halp me Sup Forums
Leo Diaz
Best place to get cheap windows keys that wont get revoked?
Nicholas Miller
bought win10 pro for 25 shekels on kinguin
Camden Cox
>>i7 7700k - 144hz only
Conveniently leave out that it's the best for gaming.
Jordan Perez
Read the op. Follow what it says for budget cpu. What it says for the resolution you want while gaming. I am not your mommy spoonfeeding you everything. Start by trying to understand and then come back and have people check your reasoning
Samuel Fisher
Approximately 1 month before disappointment.
Charles James
Shut up. I'm one of the guys that kept requesting it being added back for 144hz. But for current gaming its performance at 60hz is almost the same as Ryzen. And going forward games will start to optimize for multithreading more and more.
Matthew Allen
Standard pcbg hdd recommendation?
Nathan Perry
1/2 tb western digital blue, or Seagate or whatever is cheaper where you live
Gabriel Roberts
posted in last thread before it died, kek
Build in progress. I already have a GPU, PSU, 1 SSD, and an HDD. I have a linux machine for doing some light content creation but mostly use ffmpeg to convert stuff to different formats. Also the occasional audio recording.
The big thing for me is a MB with some expansion slots. I only use one GPU and I'm fine with that. I might want to add a capture card or internal audio interface so I can plug some microphones or inputs into it.
tl;dr >motherboard recommendations
Jeremiah Moore
>mass AMD shilling Can't make this shit up cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2939&cmp[]=2660&cmp[]=3029 Zen is weaker in single threaded benchmarks than fucking Excavator. >b-b-but it's 3.6GHz vs 3.4GHz Even if you adjusted the Ryzen's score to the same clock frequency, it still loses to the Excavator CPU by a hundred points. What a fucking joke of an architecture. This is literally Bulldozer rehashed and marketed.
Elijah Wood
So what? Do you want me to recommend people with 60hz screen to waste their money on a 144hz CPU just because it's "the best gaming CPU!" and has "the strongest single core" and other buzzwords? Different CPU are fit for different usages, the 7700k might be the best at gaming but it's a total waste of money if you don't take advantage of said performance, aka if you don't have a high refresh rate screen.
Thomas Ramirez
I thought they were both frowned upon here? Blues for being slower than other drives and Seagate Barracuda for being unreliable.
Jordan Sanchez
So im going to finally buy an ssd. Should i go for a 120 gb ssd and make it a boot drive? or should i go for slightly higher storage?
Benjamin Taylor
Please do not make claims about things that you know nothing about, especially if your sources for those claims are from a garbage unreliable synthetic benchmarking website.
Parker Green
>one of the most widely used benchmarking software in the world used to test desktops, laptops, and servers >garbage Sure thing, kiddo
Camden Cox
Maybe mine is really old info then. Blues are definitely slower than others but since most people are getting ssd's now for their main work or gaming purposes, I have no problem, personally, buying a bit slower drive if it saves me money
Jonathan Long
Is this salvageable?
Liam Butler
out
Adam Hall
Theoretically if you're autistic eno- >broken transistors nevermind.
Charles Wood
>plebmark >not trash >t. tech illiterate Go back to facebook.
Bentley Ross
>saw a 1080 for 1000€ today >saw a 1050Ti for 200€ today Miners need to fucking die already.
No. It's a good build but with like 20-30 USD more you can upgrade it with a better mobo, 2400 RAM and 500W PSU for future upgrades.
Isaiah Russell
Without any details I'm going to suggest a Ryzen 5 build, probably with a 1600 or maybe 1400 if you don't need the heat/performance of a 1600. GPU will probably be a 1050 Ti since you can't find anything else for sale without looking at secondhand merchandise.
Joshua Hill
Only at 1080p at over about 100 fps or so. Even then in some games its minimums are lower than Ryzen's and a 6 or 8 core Intel chip. For most people this is not an issue and it sacrifices a lot of multi-threaded performance compared to Ryzen.
Mason Diaz
Personally I go with WD Reds or Hitachi drives. Some Toshiba drives are excellent as well. I keep programs/games on SSDs for the most part.
Gabriel Nguyen
To add, for SSDs I usually stick with Samsung NVMe when they're on sale, or Corsair Neutron XTi drives. Both go on sales a few times a year that I've seen so I'll get one then if I need one.
Cooper Lee
I would wait for Ryzen 3 to release, probably a better deal than a G4560.
Gabriel Collins
I have an 850 evo as my main drive. The Hitachi all seem to be enterprise which means they're probably loud, no go for me. What's better between the Toshiba p300 and a Seagate Barracuda? They're priced almost the same.
Leo Rogers
How big of a difference will 2 CAS make on 16GB of DDR4-3200? I'm paying $50 more for 14 CAS vs 16 in hopes it'll actually benefit my vidya but I want to ask in case I'm being a retard and could use that money toward peripherals.
>tfw using L100 DELL keyboard from long dead pre-builts
Jose Garcia
>tfw bought 48 GPUs in April
Josiah Reed
Oh I wouldn't say they're loud at all really, they're not 10k RPM drives or anything. Enterprise generally means they're more robust, have better longevity and can run 24/7 under high load or something like that.
Carson Rivera
It doesn't make a lot of difference tbqh, but 2 CAS is still better than jumping from 3200 to 3400 for example. But either way you're better off using the money on a better CPU, then you'll get a real, tangible, guaranteed upgrade.
Andrew Barnes
I wouldn't pay for that delta in timing personally. If you were up at 20 or so, then yeah pay for the 14 but not if you're at 16.
Andrew Cooper
recommend me some HDD. I'm not sure what's the best brand or even what to look at when picking an HDD my specs are semi related I guess. having about 100GB of free space sucks
Luis Allen
guys, whats the best ultra wide monitor? I have a HP 25ES but I want something new and huge.
Josiah Johnson
what program do use to get this information?
Levi Cook
Assuming you're using it for media, get something like a 4TB WD Red drive.
can a mobo give any form of bottleneck for vidya performance?
thinking of a 1440p 144hz build with a 1080ti and a 1700, but amd's microatx mobo options seem to be a bit lackluster compared to intel's
Leo Roberts
just bought a 1050ti for 140$
Jaxon Perez
Mainly it can limit your OC potential by not providing sufficient power or cooling to various parts of the mobo.
Matthew Jackson
ive read about this. hit and miss kinda. do you have one?
Thomas Baker
makes sense. other than that, a really high end microatx build isn't an inherently dumb idea right? there's no massive problem with it?
it's just most really high end builds i see use atx motherboards even though people only have one graphics card and maybe 2 HDDs at most with no intent of something like SLI, so i don't understand why everyone keeps getting massive mobos and cases when they don't need them
Grayson Garcia
I have a WD Blue and it's fine, can't hear it over the rest of my system. Can anyone attest to if the Seagate Barracuda is as quiet?
Matthew Jackson
See It can and will limit your OC capabilities but it has no influence on the GPU. >AMD mobos OC differences will likely be minor and silicon lottery of the CPU will be a more important factor. You can OC a 4 or 6 core on most B350 mobos to 3.9GHz, 8 core is a different story.
Gabriel Nelson
Yes, I have one on my office workstation. I used to have a dual monitor setup but I replaced it with this.
Logan Nguyen
I have a question.
Is this SSD compatible with this motherboard?
and is this motherboard compatable with this case?
Thanks. I've been googling, but these chiplike SSD's are so new to me. I don't know anything about them. I'm new to building. I hadn't built one since 2006. so if you have a better alternative, that would be cool.
Thanks.
Jordan Sanders
Is a 980ti used for 300€ a good deal? What about 340€?
Alexander Sanders
Thanks, just wanted to be sure. I plan on buying the R7 1700 but since Microcenter is out of them I'll move up to the X for $30 more. Don't think there's a reason to move up from there even though my budget allows.
Elijah Phillips
Read the manuals and fuck off back to plebbit you retarded faggot.
Kevin Davis
>Is this SSD compatible with this motherboard? Yes? It has an M.2 slot in there, it's not like there's a restricted QVL like with RAM and it's not like Intel SSDs are shady chink shit and wouldn't work with their own motherboards >and is this motherboard compatable with this case? Yes, mobo is ATX and so is the case, it'll fit.
What are you building by the way? And please stop spacing your lines like a redditor, it's very suffering to read.
David Rogers
> fuck off back to plebbit I don't visit reddit. I did read the specs. I'm not seeing what you use to check compatibility on these newer SSD's. I'd always had a disk drive.
Jeremiah Lewis
Normally over 300 wouldn't be a good deal because you could just get a new 1070 for a bit more. But currently there's not many options, so go for it I guess.
Ryder Nelson
I'm sorry. I'm used to doing that to send emails. Thanks for letting me know. This is what I'm building. What do you think?
why not just fucking pirate then? at this point pirating is just more safe than buying a cdkey from some shady site and hoping it doesn't get revoked.
Caleb Rogers
Never had a problem with Kinguin myself
Parker Taylor
That's good on it's own but what's the specific usage for it? Just gaming? A 1080ti is quite overkill for 1080p144hz, and for a few bucks more you can get a Noctua NH-D15S (the S is important) which performs very very similarly even though it has only one fan (and room for a second like the D14 or even a third)
Oliver Collins
>Seagate Barracuda for being unreliable. it was true few years ago and only for 1 specific model. other than that it's a dead meme that only technologically illiterate people believe in. toshiba/seagate are good picks for hdds.
i heard p300 are marginally slower than seagate, but also quieter and since hdds are meant for storage i'd go with toshiba
Jonathan Reyes
i don't have a problem with kinguin it's just you gain literally NOTHING from buying a shady cdkey rather than pirating and using an activator. you're just giving money to some russian ivan who got it for free or stole it.
Nolan Scott
I switched it out for an NH-D15.
It's just for gaming. I intend to upgrade the monitor later on, but needed something budget for now.
Austin Richardson
>pcpartpicker.com/list/RHzMNN either upgrade to monitor 1440p144hz / 4k or get a cheaper gpu (there aren't any tho)
Adrian Rivera
I would go with a 144hz 2560x1440 monitor if you have a 1080 Ti. And at that point you should also go with Ryzen 7 since you will hardly ever have a CPU limitation in games.
William Barnes
So I brought my 1080ti and monitor over to my friends house for the fourth. Turns out a g4560 and 1080ti is the way to go for 4k. Everything ran at 60 fps just fine at 4k ultra. If I could get my money back I would just go with pic related because there's literally no difference as my 4k monitor is only 60hz. Just something to cook ur noodle I suppose.
Liam Walker
Anons I was finally approved for NEETbux and I want to get a vidya PC but I know nothing about computers, I've never personally owned one, I don't even know what each part does, how do I into computer.
I want something to play mil-sim vidya like such as Red Orchestra 2 and Squad since I've wanted to play those for ages but can't on console, I'm also gonna use the PC for spending excessive amounts of time on Sup Forums and some other non vidya stuff like 3d modeling(wanted to do that ever since I tried CAD software on a high school PC) and maybe buy a drawing tablet to try to learn how to draw. Also hentai games.
Pls help me stop being a dumb console pleb/phone-poster
Lucas Wright
>going forward games will start to optimize for multithreading more and more I remember telling people this 10 years ago when I built my first PC.
Connor Harris
I'll tell you what. Add me on discord and you will have full access to my vast, autism fueled, knowledge of every piece of computer hardware. In exchange you must help me get the neetbux
Hudson Gutierrez
lurk more and google and read the OP also I don't know why this isn't included in the OP
any recommendations for ~200? i keep hearing bad shit about a lot of monitors i'm finding in that price range(they're old, shit colors, too expensive)
Grayson Hill
can anyone explain to me why you need an i7 over an i5 for gaming? Seems like everything I read is telling me that CPU isn't the bottleneck for graphics and seem like i5 is still hella CPU for 2/3's the price.
I would guess because cable management and airflow are extremely important in most high end builds.
Ian Brown
>you should also go with Ryzen 7 since you will hardly ever have a CPU limitation in games. I chose the 7700K with respect to the games I currently play. Benchmarks from Rust show that the game performs better with the 7700k as opposed to the Ryzen 7.
I rolled with a FX-6350 or whatever last time, so may be interesting using intel for the first time.
Justin Brown
What's a discord?
I hear it mentioned occasionally but never bothered looking into it, how do I add you?
Nathaniel Long
ah I thought HT was ultimate meme tech myself. Any games really using it?
Blake Wilson
>G4560 >1080Ti
Jaxon Thompson
i5 cpus are dead, user. ryzen r5 outperforms them and still has more cores than i7. also check benchmarks on youtube with cpu usage. you will see i5 getting close to 100% usage, which results in frame drops and stuttering, while i7 and ryzen will have power to spare due to having more threads (and cores in case of ryzen)
Ryder Cooper
I too would like to know how I can get neetbux.
Jonathan Wright
not much choice for ~200. AOC G2460PF is currently $203 on amazon.
Jacob Russell
Hey anyone explain to my child brain whether a 4k monitor can play shit at 1440p or will it look weird? Would it be better just to do 1080p since it's a linear pixel density adjustment?
And before you ask, I'm not buying a native 1440 monitor because I prefer 4k for doing actual work on the thing.
Brayden Cooper
Read the OP for basic information you pervert Then come back to us with a specific budget
Caleb Lewis
How important is it to stick to the motherboard's QVL? For ASUS I see 2 motherboards, one for $150 that doesn't have the specific RAM sticks I want to get but I can find them on the $240 board which is a little close to my processor cost (1700X).
Lincoln Rivera
>how I can get neetbux.
I don't know, I didn't do it myself, mommy helped me apply, I just had to tell some nice lady on the phone I was a dysfunctional hikikomori autist who'll kill himself if he has to get a job, then go take an IQ test with a psychologist.
Benjamin Robinson
>will it look weird? Yes it will >Would it be better just to do 1080p since it's a linear pixel density adjustment? Yes, however that depends a lot on how it's done. For some monitors will do other things than simply displaying the pixel four times so it might end up blurry still
Adrian Ortiz
QVL is mostly important for high frequency RAM, if it's not in at worst you risk not being able to boot, but often the RAM will just get downgraded to lower speeds.
Henry King
if it's not on qvl then it probably won't work at max ram speed, for example 3200mhz memory might work only at 2400mhz. also why do you need asus mobo? asrock and msi are better picks
Gavin Wright
>muh gayming
Brody Perez
Good monitors under $200? I only use for WoW and internet.
Isaiah Brooks
I thought it would be a setting in game. You can tell your monitor to pretend that it is 1080p
(Sorry dumb question I'm sure, but I've never actually had a desktop, or a non mac for that matter. Forgive me, I was born into a family with a dad who subscribed to mac world).
Liam Reyes
4k is GPU bound. The more you lower the resolution the more apparent the bottleneck will be.
Ian Hill
Yeah, and you were right. Games back then used a single core. The games of today use four minimum when talking more complex titles. A lot won't even run on CPUs with less than four threads any more, which started several years ago with Far Cry 4 and Dragon: Age: Cisquisition in late 2014. Many even use more than four, which is why i5s suffer from such garbage frame times and lows compared to i7s.
Zachary Rogers
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