Anyone knows why manufacturer don't offer laptops with linux pre-installed?I sort of get american companies don't it...

Anyone knows why manufacturer don't offer laptops with linux pre-installed?I sort of get american companies don't it,but why chinks ain't interested in it?I mean it's free and shit woudn't it cut down manufacturing costs,plus you market it with stupid slogans like"virus-free" and shit like that.

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windows is popular

manufacturers get a good deal on a license to distribute machines with windows installed

everyone winds

i imagine back in the day though microsoft may have even paid manufacturers to use windows or maybe linux wasn't user friendly enough at the time

im not sure if most chinese people can afford a laptop

microsoft has deals with most I'm sure

Dell does.

but there are companies that do that user, system76 is the only one I can think of off the top of my head but there are several. they all tend to be rather overpriced though

zdnet.com/article/2017s-best-linux-laptop-the-latest-dell-xps-13/

Because they'll cause girls to drop out of colleges. Nobody wants to use that shit OS retard.

Your average normie struggles with basic multiplication and grammar, let alone learning an operating system. Windows had to add things like MS Clippy because normies are too retarded to figure out a program on their own.

I had fucking FreeDOS on my machine (cheap Toshiba shit)

The same reason why new cars come with engines instead of potatoes under the hood.

>Because they'll cause girls to drop out of colleges.

that's a good thing

You didn't think $120 of that $250 laptop's price was Windows, did you?
Windows is discounted heavily for OEMs, and discounted more for third worlders who are even more price sensitive. (chinks aren't paying $15/mo for WoW.)

The simple fact is that Windows adds more value to a laptop than it costs. If you offer it up with Linux you'll suffer nothing but customer complaints when they can't install anything except a few user unfriendly applications that need a user unfriendly 50 step installation process..

Marketing it as "virus-free" doesn't work well when Linux itself is worse than most viruses.

Because when they don't know how to do shit on Linux they'll blame manufacturer.

Because when someone buys a linux laptop at bestbuy and find out it doesn't have the e button for internet explorer they get butthurt and go back to bestbuy and demand their money back

Linux doesn't work for normies.

The end. They've tried it before. It didn't work.

This. They've tried it before.

Why bother, end user will install linux if they need linux.

youre grammar is awful bub

>when customers can't install anything except a few user unfriendly applications

The irony is that windows is the only major OS without a repository. You idiots are so caught up in your fanboy bullshit that you can't see your head from your ass.

you'd be surprised how many people in China can afford expensive stuff, they just wont spend money on a laptop unless they need one

this. many of them ended up staying at home wasting their master or phd degree, shouldve offered to a man instead

>literal MiTM that requires you to know the name of the package you want to install
>out of date packages requires you to change to another MitM
>possibility of breaking your entire install

Thanks, but I feel better downloading cryptographically signed installers directly from the developer.

You can buy a Intel Compute Stick for $170 with a copy of Windows 10 Pro on it which is worth $170

>he's never searched a repo
>he doesn't know about checksums
>he uses shitty Debian repos
top b8, m8, i r8 8/8, hope you suffoc8 on a 8=D

Actually, System76 has one recent system that apparently isn't overpriced. Galapagos Pro I think it was?
All developers at my work are required to use Linux and they've started providing this to new hires and anyone whose laptop needs replacing (except for the AI guys who use workstations with dedicated GPUs). I asked someone from management about it and the answer was basically: cheaper for better hardware than the Dell or Thinkpad options.

>implying 99% of Windows users don't just use search engines to find the first .exe they can find and install it, regardless of where it's from

>possibility of breaking your entire install

wut?

>apt-cache search
>emacs /etc/apt/sources.list

OP is probably a newfriend that just stumbled on the freetard propaganda of, "Windows is only used because normies will use whatever they're given and Windows is what comes preinstalled," and is trying to work out why, if Windows costs money, somebody doesn't sell computers with Linux and undercut the entire Windows market.
The answer is that freetard propaganda isn't a very accurate depiction of reality.

Microsoft tax, microsoft charges 'discount' rates on windows licenses to OEMs at the rate of total machine production for that business.

This means that an OEM pays for a windows license even if it ships with Ubuntu or whatever. So long as windows is 'popular' it makes sense to just ship with it pre-installed.

FUCK microsoft shrewd cia double niggers.

I've been saying this for months here. If companies like Dell, Lenovo and such took a Linux distro and made it their own, like what Apple did fucking decades ago with other free software elements like XNU, Darwin, BSD, then Apple would finally have some competition. The only reason why Macs are good is because of the basically perfect tailoring of software specifically for the exact hardware. Maximum efficiency and elegance in use.

They don't though, they just slap some generic Windows copy on it and charge near the same as Apple does without doing the other half of the work. That's why I laugh when you children think Macs are 'overpriced', you fail to acknowledge the glaringly obvious fact that Apple is as much a software company as it is a hardware one, maintaining and developing operating systems for a range of devices as well as other pieces of software to run on them. You think that shit is free? Having half your company work on software? This is not including the fact that they engulf around a dozen small companies every year for their technologies and IP to include in their own products. Not free either. Windows OEMs don't do that. That's not an expense of theirs, neither is OS development. Yet they're charging the same. Some XPS whatever going for $1,500, for a bill of materials costing no more than $450 and next to no development or R&D.

You're all fucking dumb.

>search
Google is 1000x better when you're talking about an ecosystem with the depth and breadth of Windows software. Searching repos may work for the Linux autist who has already wasted 5 years of his life discovering the 10 pieces of software that work on Linux, but it doesn't help me to figure out what I need for what I want to do right now. I'll Google that, and Google leads me right to the software.

The repos for Debian and Arch both have websites which list all packages. They also have forums full of people talking about how to make the software work. On top of that, the system comes with an installer that works for everything in the repo, and automatically downloads any other drivers you need, while automatically updating the packages when new versions are put into the repository (which, granted, Debian doesn't do often enough).
In other words, you can google for Linux programs just as easily as for Windows, and Linux doesn't make you google for a dozen different .dll files that may or may not contain viruses.

>Google
Free virus
>10 pieces
Currently have over 1Mil packages (excluding anything starting with "libre") in my repos

>not counting libre software
He could have programs that he can ACTUALLY EDIT if he wants, user. That's fuckin amazing, isn't it?

See, this is the problem with Linux users: you're so used to having no choice that just " getting one piece of software to work" is deemed a success.
On Windows, Google is used to determine which if the hundreds of available pieces of software is the best. "Getting them to work," doesn't even come up since they all work.

>1Mil packages
Ah, so they shoveled every abandoned fork in there that they could find.

>everything just werks(tm)
Next you'll tell me that it's not okay to be able to choose a window manager because what if it breaks something!?!?1?!?

They do. They're called Chromebooks.

Not libre software, software starting with "libre"
All working, all updated within the year

Windows comes with the most successful one of all time.

>it didn't even have tiling until 2016
>you can't adjust the window buttons
>for one whole revision it had mobile interface on desktop
>all this for an OS that consistently has issues with security, isn't freely available, sells your information to third parties, and requires an hours-long installation process to have a command that uses the built-in (decades-old) compression algorithm

>actually defending a system where normies are left to meander around the internet and download random executable files

because they have a deal with microsoft to sell computer licenses and market their software for the right to sell the Windows OS preinstalled on their hardware.

They there's no money involved dumb shit, when are you shill going to understand that, why mess around with an OS that's hardly supported to one that used by the most businesses, there's nothing worth on apple or Linux , just hipsters that thinks that windows is not as cool.

>hours-long installation process
stop trying to install it on a toaster from 2003

Because for the general public, Linux is useless.

Windows 7 took me less than an hour , keep up with technology, coz this a tech board

Why should I spend hours installing Visual Studio to have a zip command when I can spend hours installing Linux and have a zip command, the tar command for better compression, my favorite text editor, and the knowledge that Microsoft won't be reading the short stories I'm writing?

[spoiler]Not that it matters, since Intel fucking screwed everyone with IME.[/spoiler]

>why mess around with an OS that's hardly supported

>posted from a phone running Linux, using a router running Linux, to a network running Linux, on a website running Linux, and logged by a botnet running Linux

There's no objective reason to use Windows other than muh gaymen. It's hodge-podge of poo in the loo programming.

Windows won the OS war in the early 1990s. The only driving motivation behind its success now is the sheer inertia of consumers and software developers.

people wants OSX or Windows. Manufacturers have to comply if they want $$$.

Most people still believe free things are only free because they're garbage, and this definitely applies to software.

Linux is FREE and it still has less than 1 percent market share after 30 FUCKING YEARS

>implying checksums are difficult to alter

>running non-signed executables
Even free software projects provide digitally signed executables.

The rest of the world disagrees with you. Guess whose "objective" assessment isn't objective at all, but utterly skewed by their rampant freetardism?

>normies are intelligent people who make good decisions about how to spend their money
There are a large number of TV marketing execs laughing their asses off at you right now, user--and you can have a picture of it for three easy payments of $5.99!

How the fuck are you going to fake a checksum. Jesus, you Windows shills are retarded.

>it's popular, so it must be good

I'm sure the marketing, early indoctrination, and software cartels don't influence consumers at all..

>maliciously alter the package
>compute checksum
>compromise site, alter checksums and package
>people downloads modified packages, they get silently infected

>being this mad the masses can't be scammed int basing their identity on using an "alternative" OS.

>compromise site, alter checksums and package
>compromise site, alter...package
So you're saying that your argument only works if you already have the ability to modify the package they're getting in the first place.

How is it a scam? Unless you're talking about buying Red Hat.

Or you can NOT be autistic and use 7-zip, which takes about 1 minute to install...

Fair enough, but why would the built-in zip utility that *comes with Windows* not have a command for it unless you install VS?

You're desperately trying to scam. That makes it a scam.

>j-just hack into the website and change the checksum

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a lot of chinks just sell them without any OS if they can't get Windows or are selling super cheap budget machines.

Because most users aren't raging autists, and use the graphical menu to do it. You just pick the files, right click, and compress.

Are you seriously asking why people prefer a menu to text commands in 2017, or are you that stupid? ...

>no means of making money off of it
>more features
>not spying on you
>"it's a scam, you're scamming me, I can tell by the pixels"

Nigga you try zipping the same folder over and over to deploy to a remote device. Or to make a stable-release download for your github.

>implying linux distros don't have unzip installed by default

SETENV

SET fucking ENV

I am intrigued, user. Tell me more. Is the zip command removed somehow, or did they just not bother adding it to $PATH?

Just fucking install 7-zip on the computers you manage then.

You're complaining about an issue you can fix in a minute, and whining that people should switch to an entirely different OS because Microsoft correctly assumes mosf people don't use the command line utilities.

Like if you want to pretend you're competent, don't whine about extremely easy to fix issues, especially since you're the one advocating the "FreeDum OS with muh customizationz"

>linux pre-installed
nah, windows is better

>wanting stupid wifes

Trying to convince people to use terrible software in an attempt to use market share to validate your piss-poor choices is a scam.

Windows is not text based. They didn't remove anything, the DOS emulator that is still installed with windows have very little functionalities by design and yeah, most of the applications installed or that you will install will not bother add themselves to the PATH variable. You can do it yourself via the DOS emulator terminal or graphically in the Control Panel. However, fewer and fewer software on windows are designed to be used/operated via command line. If you want to operate your computer via terminal, don't use Windows. Worst case scenario, install Cygwin.

Normies can't handle linux in most situations.

99.9% of the population is mentally retarded if you haven't noticed. I mean for example look at all of the mac fags on Sup Forums, buying overpriced shitty locked down systems and claiming superiority.

GNU/Linux will never be mainstream. Every distro including noobuntu will eventually require a little technical knowledge to maintain it or it will break. And when it breaks there's no tech support you can call. No business will support open source software because there's nothing proprietary about it.

The only chance of a mainstream linux distro is a closed source proprietary linux based system like android, with closed source drivers. When that eventually happens (it will) it'll be the worst of windows and the worst of linux combined. Telemetry, proprietary, no root user, shit tier support.

Because you can't even disable mouse acceleration in Linux.

REE DELET THIS

>no business will support open source software because there's nothing proprietary about it

Go back to Sup Forums

>and when it breaks there's no tech support to call

You can't call Windows when your shit breaks. This is the most retarded argument I've ever heard. When windows breaks, you either pay some idiot like you with an A+ cert to recover your drive or you reinstall it yourself. In any case, Linux is far more stable than Windows.

>will eventually require a little technical knowledge to maintain it

wut? You hit update and it updates. When you want to install something, you search the repo and hit install.

Whenever one of my family members has a problem with their computers, I install Mint or Ubuntu and their preferred browser. I never hear from them again. I don't have to worry with viruses because they can't install ParisHiltonSexTape.exe. I don't have to worry about the damn thing freezing during updates because Windows requires you to stop everything you're doing during every update.

>Linux is far more stable than Windows.
Not the guy you're talking to but that is wrong as hell. Linux always ALWAYS breaks.

>Linux always breaks

Yeah, that's why Linux is run on everything from ATM to network switches, because it's inherently unstable.

Don't be such a dunce.

>implying that was an argument for proprietary software
are you thick

>You can't call Windows when your shit breaks. This is the most retarded argument I've ever heard.

argument for what? did you read the fucking OP? When a windows PC breaks normies call the laptop manufacturer, who they purchased a windows license from.

>Whenever one of my family members has a problem with their computers, I install Mint or Ubuntu and their preferred browser. I never hear from them again.

congrats, your family is buying shit on amazon with they personal info on an insecure and outdated browser and OS.

they do in my country. everybody buys the cheaper linux laptops and installs winodws on top of it

It's stable when you maintain it obviously. You missed the point.

>implying degree means smart

>when a windows pc breaks normies call the laptop manufacturer

Laptop manufacturers don't offer tech support for Windows. Nor does Windows. The most help you'll get is their inept forum full of soccer moms. If that is your idea of tech support, Linux is far superior.

>outdated browser and OS

Linux updates just as fast as Windows. If security is your concern, it's far safer to deprive them of the ability to download random executables.

Learn to conjugate pronouns while you're at it, Jamal.

Everything is stable when you maintain it. If we're talking about maintenance, Linux requires far less maintenance.

I'm under the assumption we're still talking about the desktop OS.

True normies will break a windows install and have to do the recovery that comes pre-baked with whatever shitter prebuilt they buy. They will get support, it will be a phone call saying "boot into recovery, blah blah blah.".

If a normie uses linux and it breaks they're fucked. Either way we can agree to disagree.

>if a normie uses Linux and it breaks, they're fucked

How? You can just use a recovery tool to dd your files out and then reinstall. The main problem with Linux has traditionally been driver support. This wouldn't be a problem if manufacturers were the ones doing the install. It would be trivial to make sure the install has all the necessary drivers.

Windows in general takes me less than 10 minutes to install. SSD, lad

>he doesn't image his drives

>Laptop manufacturers don't offer tech support for Windows.
have you never fucking owned a laptop with a warranty? I've witnessed HP tech support sitting on the phone for 2 hours walking my roommate through a basic windows re-installation.

>Linux updates just as fast as Windows

sounds to me like YOU'RE the one defending windows. my arch installation takes at most a few min to upgrade 300+ packages during a fresh install. windows can literally take up to 45 min.

why is it every fucking conversation on this board has to devolve into X vs Y. Go ahead a re-read this entire thread there is no one here defending windows. I have the lowest opinion of windows over anyone on this board.

update they software, pajeet

Because of dumbshits like this: youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI

>If power cycling it doesn't fix the issue, reinstall the OS

That's not substantive tech support. The tech drone regurgitating that "support" could easily offer the same level of "support" for a Linux install.

The entire argument was that nobody will offer support for a Linux install. I don't see any obstacle to this.

too easy to break then. rationalize an argument against that.

The mainstream distros are far more stable than windows. Meme distros like Arch and Gentoo are intentionally unstable.

Interesting, I was recently researching the purchase of laptops with Linux pre-installed.

It was because of lingering annoyance with Windows 10 telemetry and perceived lack of privacy - I wanted to own and control my PC entirely.

I also hoped they would be cheaper than equivalently specced Windows machines.

What I found was that there are quite a few companies out there that make Linux laptops, but:

- They are NOT cheaper than equivalently specced Windows machines. Far from it

- Most are aimed at a particular sector: education or software development. There are a few that seemed to be aimed squarely at privacy nerds (websites bragged about Libreboot, etc)

OP doesn't know what capitalism is.

Kids should be asleep.

my dad's office got their employees laptops with ubuntu pre-installed they hired an it guy who installed pirated windows and pirated office on all laptop kek

Nice meme
Still better than Winblows
>Linux doesn't work for normies. The end. They've tried it before. It didn't work.
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