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It's a short you fool

Goldman and etc are probably saying that amd stock wont increase more, while buying tons.
Always do the opposite the Jew says.

>t. butthurt

If AMD sold it for like 2k the stocks would have gone up

AMD isn't trying to line their pockets here, they're trying to disrupt and get a hold on the market again.

It's pretty remarkable how seemingly overnight AMD has completely fucked over Intel. It wasn't that long ago people were saying how efficient and powerful Intel is. And now it's paying out the ass for a slightly faster single core performance in a rapidly increasing multi-core world. And the performance gap is small enough that Intel no longer can justify the premiums they used to charge.

What's 5% for AMD stock? That thing goes up 30% every 10 days.

>goes up
And down

The other part of it is it doesn't matter what they price it at. They could price the 1950X at $300 and still make a sound profit on them. The Threadripper chips only cost them $120 to make. AMD will be fine.

They took a huge risk, developing a new arch from scratch is anything but easy and fast. And they almost bit the dust with bulldozer, it only worked out with the second attempt. Intel will have to do the same at some point.

AMD didn't just design an impressive CPU with zen, the infinity interconnect is just as important. Being able to glue chips together out of predesigned parts and make it work even off die to get around the risks and costs of producing huge monolithic dies is something people have been predicting to happen since more than a decade.

Now that they finally have a competitive product again i hope they'll be able to recover and push their R&D up again. Having competition again is awesome

I like how IF gives AMD the ability to use an insane amount of silicon, theoretically, they could pull off 4x 600mm^2 dies.

That would that put Intel into the stone age, 4S performance in a 1S chip.

That's not gonna happen, AMD isn't in the business of throwing away wafers.
But it's interesting to think about.

by 5%

cooling and pinout set limits to how much you can realistically throw on the same package. The more interesting part for AMD, at least for the close future, is that they're easily able to scale their designs. You see what they're doing now with the 8c zen dies, they feed 3 plattforms with them, which is absolutely insane. Now imagine what they can do should it be relativley easy for them to just glue zen clusters, a GPU and I/O stuff together over their new interconnect. Even if you make it monolithic it extremly cuts down developement time and costs. The APUs and next console chips are just going to be sandbox parts with a fraction of the developement that was needed for comparable stuff earlier.

ayy lmao

>Intel advertises a lot on TV
>most builds come with Intel
AMD either have to step up in those areas, or the plebs are gonna pleb Intel's way like I have. I'm a simpleton; I don't know much about performance, all I know is that 7's greater than 5 (I learned that in primary school) and that Intel is flashy and on my TV screen while AMD's not.

Fix it.

The 12+ core CPUs are going to be another disaster.

>X299v2 motherboards required, leaving early adapters out in the cold
>200+ watt TDP on the 18 core just to beat TR 16 core
>Forced to use solder to keep the temps under control, pissing off early adapters even more
>Still not even close to worth the price tag

You're implying intel is actually going to do those things. What's far more likely to happen is they're simply going to throw the chips out there with a bios update without actually fixing any of the inherent flaws of the platform or processors all because it's cheaper to do it that way.

How can they ever recover?

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>TDP N/A
This is not something to be left to the imagination...

TDP figured might as well mean magical unicorn dust to Intel.

Even putting the 165 watt 18 core Xeon the i9 will be based on into an existing X299 mobo would not work .. it's designed (poorly) for 140 watts.

And this is intel we're talking about. They're stupid/greedy enough to do it anyways because they know that the rabid fucking fanboys will buy it anyways.

Well, it'll be comedy gold if they release an 18 core CPU that loses to a 16 core AMD CPU. And motherboards can't handle even a bit of OC.

>those new MOAR CORE Intel chips showing worse results than 7700k
>when you're hoping the next Coffee Lake shit won't be a downgrade

I just want the 2500k train I missed out on guys. I milked the q6600 train too long.

Coffee Lake S will be a sidegrade at best. It's limited to 95 watts so they can't go nuts with the clockspeed.

You want the next 2500k? Wait for R9 3700

You won't get that from Intel until they drop a new arch.

Corrected version coming through.

You forgot about this new technology that is a feature on all i9 line and helps with the thermals when you need to do some Mega Tasking®, called Delidding®.

How big is that piece of shit lmao?

>piece of shit
>outperforms Intel competitors at half the price
pick one

Not big enough IMO.

As big as it wants to be.

But you can overclock the shit out of it.
If kaby lake process hold similar frequency capacities you can make it run near 5ghz easily, good z170 mobos can deliver at least 150amp of power.

There's no guarantee of that. They aren't binning for those clockspeeds, so it's likely you'll cap out way before 5 GHz.

Possible we don't know really until they are released. Someting tells me Intel would purpose design these chips for limited frequency to not eat 7800x market.

So do the ryzen processors increase the performance of the Vegas? Or is that just another classic "AMD promise"?

Always Making Disappointment

lel

>Outperforms
>By a tiny margin

LMFAO nice try pajeet
Intel is still the best in the game.

brainlets ITT

silicone architecture enthusiasts/experts know AMD this round is a piece of shit. Intel will be the superior choice for anyone who wants to get shit done. I would only recommend AMD to those with very, very, very low income. I'm a game programmer and where I work at if some coworker came in, with an AMD workstation, me and my colleagues would secretly scoff at him and assume he's a poor coder if he can't even afford a top of the line CPU.

pipelines, cores, cache, etc. all need to work together and anyone knows CPUs will choose the likes of Xeons and 7700k's for their computing needs, simply due to how superior they are to other alternatives.

I really thought you guys knew your shit
>this all comes from someone who isn't even a fanboy

>this all comes from someone who isn't even a fanboy
Oh but you sure do fucking act like it.

Shoo Intel shill.

>mfw years ago this meme is the future

Dumb frogposter

>not first
>somehow the best
??????

It's like fucking 100 points in CineBench

Calm your tits idiot.

>mfw Intel made that meme image because they literally didn't know how to make more coars without turning it into a 20000 dollar clusterfuck

>100 points in CineBench

kek

It's because after Bulldozer Intel immediately started acting like a monopoly. Removing solder from Ivy Bridge was the beginning of the end. Intel expected AMD to die off, that's why Skylake SP is hilariously anti-consumer. They were caught completely off guard.

Silicon. Not silicone, first off. You and your colleagues are shit at what you do in the first place. So your opinion is immediately discarded, secondly. Let me know how Intels MOAR bingbus works for you. While your colleague who actually knows what the fuck he is doing is compiling code, rendering scenes in 4k, and actually getting shit done at a rate faster than you could ever dream of on an Intel. Oh, and by the way, while he's making you look bad for getting more work done faster, he's staying nice and cool while your CPU turns your cubicle in to a sauna. So unless your company is based in Finnland, enjoy looking like the fat greasy sweathog., Goldbond those balls buddy, no one like smegma stink

I imagine how terrifying that could get if they start to make asymmetric shit, like gluing two quad core dies, a quad core sized GPU and a massive dram cache to cheat up everything.

Is this shopped?
I cant even tell anymore

The 2500k only lasted so long because Intel had no competition and no reason to improve. They've milked the Core architecture for too long and they have to push the CPU's to the limits to keep clocks high.We should have been on 6-core CPU's years ago, Intel kept the 6 cores on the high end 2011 boards on purpose to keep them away from the mainstream.

Meanwhile in the real world, they're slower and more expensive.

Nice trips but kinda.
Bulldozer was literally your picture because AMD sacrificed a LOT of the single threaded performance to make moar cores.
Ryzen is a combination of AMD going "wait, this is retarded", with jokefully going into "and what if we used neural networks to solve the branch prediction bullshit? they solve everything" quickly becoming "hey! it actually does work for that lol!"

Why does it matter if the company is based in Finland?

A Threadripper/Epyc sized APU would be fucking insane. 8 core CPU, with a GPU the size of a small Vega XTX. With 2TB of RAM. While you flood those four x16 PCIe lanes with MI25 computation cards.

That is a monster machine.

>Intel's face when Raven Ridge is one CCX, a 560-equivalent Vega chip and 4GB of HBM2 in one package

Probably because there are something like two million Saunas in Finland, and around 5 million Fins. They love their saunas.

I think AMD's planning on something like that, but they use a pair of 8c dies and slap a beefy GPU with attached HBM on the other half of the package.

And that's just the mobile chip!

> I'm a game programmer
what a faggot

btw, 2017 is the year that Xeons got BTFO, Core i3, i5 BTFO, core i7 literally only worth for gaymen and the Pentium destroyed by the R3.

I honestly didn't expect Intel to loose the IPC battle after several years refining their architecture, but they did. Their only advantage is clock speeds, since Ryzen can't go beyond 4.1GHz. So if you overclock a 7700K to 5.0GHz, yeah, it will be faster than Ryzen on single core loads, otherwise, Intel got rekt.

Epyc was probably the biggest blow tho, Ryzen scaled up so well.

> raven ridge
> HBM2
not happening
> RX560 performance
nope lmao, RX550 tier performance if we're lucky (that would be fucking amazing already).

>silicone architecture enthusiasts/experts know AMD this round is a piece of shit.

CE here, AMD has pulled off something very impressive with IF and this shit has been a dream since I was in school. I didn't expect much more than bulldozer with this arch but its fucking blown me away. Intel is screwed for the time being.

>Being second
>Claiming that's 'the best in the game'

time to buy lads

shit bait how did you get so many replies?

You know, nobody ever got fired for buying intel.

>Always do the opposite [of what] the Jew says.

This

Explains a lot.

>that Intel is flashy and on my TV screen while AMD's not.
Makes me wonder where amd spends it's money on marketing.

I lost my shit that AnandTech used that as the overlay subtitle for their story about Threadripper prices today. Well meme'd, guys.

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Let's apply thermal paste.

lmao

still 590% up

holky shit

People who bought in at $1.80 made fucking bank. There's someone on overclock.net who dropped in 120k at that price and he's made back over half a mil since then.

They have very little marketing. And what they do have is nearly incompetent.

They spent something like several million dollars on Alien Covenant cross promotion with "Meet Walter" ads.

I wish i could listen the conversations between amazon and intel at this mment.

Must be absolutely hilarious.

that AES engine is a huge deal I think

ANOTHER
MASSIVE
DISAPPOINTMENT

The intel chips? that are so huge and hard to manufacture AMD can actually sell four chips by the price of one in scale?

>everyone talking about threadripper
>shows a picture of an APU schematic

It's not exactly an APU.
Every C of that is a core.
A real physical core.
This thing on the picture is most likely HUGE.

I wonder for what reason someone would build that, wouldn't it be better to get a separate gpu, and maybe keep the DRAM as L4 cache?

Better interconnects between CPU and GPU.
The longer the connections, the bigger the communication fuck ups and need for serial buses etc etc etc..
Every track is also a bit of a resistor, a bit of a capacitor and a bit of an inductor.

Hbm is a real possibility, amd showed off vega in deus ex comparing an 8gb card to a 2gb one and the difference was minimal because of the way they treat the vram now, there is a reason for this, and honestly, 1-2gb of vram on an apu, especially on mobile, would shit on intel so hard its not even funny, for the people who want to game on it, it would also be a nice middle ground between intel and prior gen amd apus, and a discrete option.

the possibility of a sub 500$ laptop that can play games at 60 medium/high settings is becoming more and more real.

Also a possibility of an GPD win like device that can actually run games.

lel but probably also true

>moar

fucking anandtech

>i7 outperforms R7 by a tiny margin
>"LOL, RYZEN BTFO"

Intel fags will fucking say anything.

Early APU would still be using regular DDR4 memory, however, I do wonder if AMD does have a high end gaming APU under wraps for their second zen based APU iteration. Maybe something like their recent console chips but with zen and hbm.

Is notAnand /ourguy/?

tell me about it. i was looking to buy in in 2015 fuck i didn't i just do it

>talks about non-gaming stuff
>recommends 7700k
I'm pretty sure you're just retarded.

>pipelines, cores, cache, etc. all need to work together and anyone knows CPUs will choose the likes of Xeons and 7700k's for their computing needs, simply due to how superior they are to other alternatives.
Really stirred my brain fluid

Its not called a 'meme' you fucking Plebbitor.