Windows 95 only needed 50 mb of drive space to function yet can more or less accomplish all the basic functions of a...

>Windows 95 only needed 50 mb of drive space to function yet can more or less accomplish all the basic functions of a modern OS

Windows 10 requires a minimum of 16gb. Where does all this bloat come from? What is taking up over 300x as much storage?

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just botnet things

just botnet things

Drivers, backwards compatibility libraries, botnet stuff, metro stuff, NSA backdoors, Cortana, .NET, more botnet stuff, Windows Update, swapfile and hiberfile, ads, and Candy Crush.

No couldn't you sack of shit
It still works in vms
Try viewing modern websites with w95

This is purely down to the OS no longer being supported. Some older Firefox versions support Windows 95 and they run just fine.

>CUPS the printing system on gnu+linux, BSDs and macs is >120MB installed
>win95 could be

"Basic functions of an OS" today means shit like USB3.0, 802.11ac Wi-Fi, NVME M.2 SSDs, and being able to use more than 256MB of RAM.

Fresh install.

>more or less
that's the keyword here

>266MB for fonts

Computers are literally obsolete. Just use a notebook and a pencil.

Pens are too new, you might want to avoid those too.

install debian net install
install freebsd
install reactos
install freedos
install a gtfo normie

>printers
>linux

Printer drivers are the reason why admins drink like fish - for some inexplicable reason every major printer manufacturter decided to make their software as obtuse as humanly possible (with as many hacks as humanly possible) just to make life difficult. Its why in the enterprise space any OS (lets say Red Hat to continue the example) will say "we support xyz printers - buy one of those" and the business in question will do so. This applies in the windows space as well.

Consumer level printers are even worse.

Pencils are newer tech than pens you fucking Moron.

I think the real question is why Linux needs 100x as much for less functionality.

Ok try running webgl or even h264 videos on win95
You may be mentally retarded, better get a check on that

I did a short stint for a nigger charity (I'm a programmer but I was out of work and on government aid and they forced me into this shitty support job) and they had some retarded network HP enterprise printer which they obviously didn't need and it was the only thing that stopped me from being able to switch them to Ubuntu completely. Fuck printers and their fucking drivers.

That's true too. The bloat is insane. However linux also got some small distros or at least it got them. I've seen a tablet linux distro (2.4 series linux on simpad) that somehow did fit into 17MB flash.

When is some billionaire going to get a team together to build a lightweight OS; free from botnet, spying, ads, etc; earning the love of people all over the world.

Surely it would barely cost even a fraction of their fortune.

Gates has nothing to lose doing this, right? He isn't even involved with Microsoft anymore, really. Just sell your stock, if you own any, and save the fucking world already, if you care about it that much.

actual picture

That's what TempleOS is.

So what is your spirit of choice? No beer or lagar is enough to ease the pain of printer woes.

TempleOS is fantastic on manly levels but will never work as anything than a hobby distro due to tis single user nature.

>240p ultrawide
Nice.

It's cool but it's not for modern use. Would never gain any traction with anyone who is even 1/20th normie.

>>Windows 95 only needed 50 mb of drive space to function yet can more or less accomplish all the basic functions of a modern OS
This is what retards believe.

99.99% of pens in use today are ball-point pens, which are newer technology from the start of 19th century. Pencils are older than that.

>b-b-but muh fountain pens
Not an argument, it's irrelevant hipster shit.

Anyone taking their work seriously when not going full on 21st century CAD uses a pencil.

Gates isn't even a programmer. He was a hardware guy, but he made his fortune on something he bought.

>tfw the catalog is broken

>yet can more or less accomplish all the basic functions of a modern OS
Debatable and depends on what you plan to do with your OS. If all you are doing is writing some word docs and are doing some light internet browsing then 95 would probably be ok. Anything more than that and it becomes a useless OS. Modern programs aren't going to run. Web browsers that are compatible with Windows 95 are so archaic now that they aren't going to support newer protocols. So unless you are just browsing text, most sites will probably look broken. Let's be real, if you can't browse the web then your OS is garbage.

Then again, it's Windows 95 so there are probably a boat load of viruses waiting out there to infect your machine anyway. At that point, you might as well just turn the computer into an old game machine.

Linux has the same printer support as OS X, CUPS is an Apple project.

Still pens, just improved pens. The pen is still older than the pencil.

The main problems are shit using QT or GTK sucking in every dependency known to the man. I reckon you can get pretty far by using Musl and Busybox whereever possible. Also Lennart.

Even this shit looks more consistent than windows 10 what the hell.

That was then. We're in the age of Electron doing even worse, where it take storage and RAM in the 100s of MBs, and moving a cursor in it causes 100% CPU overhead.

but hey it's """"modern"""" :^)

If something that puts ink to paper is still a pen then can't you count a lump of charcoal with something wrapped around it a pencil because it puts carbon to paper?

32g ram and im only using 5gb, probably just a recommendation more than anything

undetected roots are impossible when your physical memory model can fit on a single monitor

multiuser is just singleuser except with privilege escalation vulnerabilities you CIA nigger

>Install arch
>Muh minimalism
>No programs work since fonts don't display
>Font packages broken into 200 individual packages to avoid "bloated packages"


Simply epic

OpenBSD.

Classic windows shell is the best and most consistent UI microsoft even came up with. I'm triggered that you even compared the two.

no
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pencil
>A pencil is a writing implement or art medium constructed of a narrow, solid pigment core inside a protective casing which prevents the core from being broken or leaving marks on the user's hand during use.

I thought early versions of windows used very little memory because PCs at the time had very limited memory?

Win 10 can use a lot of memory because most people have at least 250gb

Confirmed fucking Moron.

A proprietary printer driver is why stallman started the free software movement.

OP is clearly underage because Windows 95 sucked huge donkey dick

Stallman is the hero we need - fighting the tyranny of printer manufacturers and their evil ways.

thats your fault, you just fucked the installation up you dumbass
ive never had any trouble with fonts on my archfu
dont blame the os for your own mistakes

>Points out legitimate fault and inconvenience with a simple solution
>No you're an idiot and it's perfect

kek

A lot of it comes from more modern features, like RAM images of the current OS state saved on disk, to be able to wake the computer fast from hibernation.

Then there are more system configurations which have multiple backups, in case you need to make a recovery.

OSes today have a lot more safety features than they used to have in 1995.

At some point it became acceptable to import giant monolithic libraries into your project for one function.

Even the compiler libraries in modern dev environments are guilty. Create a completely basic hello world terminal program using cout in MSVC and the compiler will shit out an executable half a megabyte in size. C++ in general bloated the fuck out of everything, and even newer environments like Rust are worse still.

An even larger culprit though is program resources like art, sound, video, models, your fonts, etc... People aren't using 800x600 screens and low detail anymore. Languages in particular are pretty huge because of the glyphs, tables and complex rules and more are installed by default now where they weren't before.

This all also takes up more RAM and since we have so much disk space these days why not grow things like swap files and redundant backups, and keep used install packages and temporary files forever too?

It's ironic how an OS than prides itself on simplicity is complicated as fuck and you need to look everything up. How the fuck are you supposed to know commands by default? If you can fucking read and click a mouse, you can operate a GUI. Imagine installing arch without using another computer with a GUI to look up instructions and what to do for your specific device if you're lucky enough to find someone with your problems. Gonna go out and buy a book to install a fucking OS in 2017? In 2014? In 2008? Fuck no. Arch is an embarrassment to the KISS philosophy.

>omg buying books is *soo* last decade XD
come on dude
if i could get physical copy of the gentoo handbook or the lfs book where i live, id totally buy them. i prefer traditional books like that over websites and pdfs.

anyways, simplicity doesnt mean "everything just werks". a system where everything works out of the box cant be simple or lightweight.
but i admit that using a computer is just a hobby for me, i like tinkering with things like this. its fun to build your own system, if you have the time and patience, and the will to learn new things. its also fun to fix it when it breaks.

of course, this is just my subjective view, and if youre a busy wagefriend with no time for fun things in your life, you should just buy a mac and turn your brain off.

the simplicity of arch is in relation to the developers/maintainers, not the users

also, simple doesn't necessarily mean intuitive
there's many ways something can be "simple"

You say that as though you can even find a new drive under 500GB easily.

But if you're going to setup arch to do essentially what other OSs do out of the box, then arch is incredibly complex in comparison to say, Antergos.

If you're not looking for modern desktop capabilities, then arch would be ideal and simple.

so in other words, KISS is retarded and doesn't actually mean anything?

>lets use up all the resources!
why?
>because we can always buy more resources, it doesnt matter! durr

this is everything thats wrong with software design these days

it's simple in its own way, which isn't the same way as windows 95 is
windows 95 is designed to be picked up and used by someone with zero computer experience, arch is designed to be used by people already familiar with linux, there's nothing wrong with either of them, they just target different audiences

im not necessarily looking for "modern desktop capabilities", no. what im looking for is a lightweight, minimal system that i can set up my own way, and make it work just the way i want it to, an operating system that can become that one friend i never had, and where i can feel at home.

of course theres other options available too, like gentoo, freebsd or maybe void, but based on my experience with them, arch would be the most "simple" distro that suits my needs

>Where does all this bloat come from?
Botnet code

what makes you think that an operating system limits what arbitrary software can do with arbitrary hardware
do you know anything about how computers operate

You'd make a more promising argument if you replaced the 95 in your post with 98 or XP

At least you can still sort of do things on those

its so you can see tranny emojis

The Amiga OS was a full 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking operation system that could run off of one 880KB floppy disk drive in 1985, 10 years before Win95, a 32-bit kluge of a 16-bit operating system, that was not pre-emptive when running 16-bit programs.

Current software is strange. I don't feel like I've gained more important and useful features. Software just got bigger and heavier. I still write documents, shitpost, play games, more or less the same as I did back in 1997. Hardware improved a lot, but I feel software have been fairly stale, and I think a lot of software have regressed, but due to compatibility with the modern internet websites, you must run current software.

95 and 98 can run the same software and have pretty much the same utility. 98 came preinstalled with IE, and was more "internet" with the updated explorer and (very crashy) active desktop.

>Arch is an embarrassment to the KISS philosophy.

You could not have described it with better words. Arch nowadays is anything but KISS.

Crux follows the KISS philosophy much more than Arch.

>95 and 98 can run the same software
there's a lot of software which requires at least 98 or 98SE

dis^

98 added to the API after 95. If a program relies on any such additions it won't actually work on 95.

Man 95 was so fucking comfy

Pencils are literally older than papyrus

they'd just have to write drivers for modern GPUs

Telemetry.

>>Windows 95 only needed 50 mb of drive space to function yet can more or less accomplish all the basic functions of a modern OS
>brainlets actually think this

>what makes you think that an operating system limits what arbitrary software can do with arbitrary hardware
>do you know anything about how computers operate
Do fucking YOU?

>A proprietary printer driver is why stallman started the free software movement
i dont care if this isnt true or not, its fucking realistic enough to be the reason a man would throw away a promising career of fame and fortune to make open source a reality.

srs i am so glad most printer problems are handled by the companies we lease MFDs from. they have the support agreement, and they can fucking keep it.

/thread

>Windows 10 requires a minimum of 16gb
What the fuck are you smoking?

Drivers and the multiple versions of runtimes the OS has to keep to keep those shitty old softwares running properly.

correct, 98 was the real goat

You put a lot of effort into this.

Thanks man.

That's a literal rephrase of what that fellow said...

the bloat is an illusion, eventually that bloat becomes data about yourself after a while so advertisers know which ads to bombard you with. why else would windows 10 be free? does no one remember netzero?

windows 95 never froze nearly as much as 98 did for me, millenial edition was even worse

>Windows 10 requires a minimum of 16gb
Why would you lie on the internet?

Lol you think that's bad
I can't even install arch because it fails to download all the necessary packages since they're constantly out of date or unsupported
Linux was a mistake

the bloat comes from people becoming gradually dumber & lazier, thus more interested in the visual aspects of an os, rather than the practical ones.

>KDE fit in 17MB

what HASN'T science done

Made KDE usable.

In my experience they just need the updated DLL files from 98. Which is a nonissue to fetch.

You can say that about any version of Windows.

It actually was OPIE. It's based on Trolltechs Qt(opia) so it looks similar as KDE is also Qt based.

wow, you really got this down

Why hasn't anybody just made a 100% lock-stock-and-barrel copy of Windows explorer in Linux?

he meant 98SE