>Adobe has long played a leadership role in advancing interactivity and creative content – from video, to games and more – on the web. Where we’ve seen a need to push content and interactivity forward, we’ve innovated to meet those needs. Where a format didn’t exist, we invented one – such as with Flash and Shockwave. And over time, as the web evolved, these new formats were adopted by the community, in some cases formed the basis for open standards, and became an essential part of the web.
>But as open standards like HTML5, WebGL and WebAssembly have matured over the past several years, most now provide many of the capabilities and functionalities that plugins pioneered and have become a viable alternative for content on the web. Over time, we’ve seen helper apps evolve to become plugins, and more recently, have seen many of these plugin capabilities get incorporated into open web standards. Today, most browser vendors are integrating capabilities once provided by plugins directly into browsers and deprecating plugins.
>Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners – including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats.
>at the end of 2020 So it's a zombie for a few years. Great.
Carter Sanchez
Fucking finally.
Jayden Morales
About time. I haven't had it installed in years personally and already set it to click-to-load for all close friends and family before browsers started doing that by default.
Connor Hall
Flash content should be flagged as malware, plain and simple.
Noah Brown
Thanks Steve Jobs.
Connor Jenkins
>I haven't had it installed in years personally Ironically there is enterprise software which is dependent on it, like VMware vCenter. They technically have a HTML5 client but is is very limited.
Jason Morales
How will /f/ recover from this one
David Butler
d-does this mean /f/ will have to close doors?
Aaron Lee
Just release the code and the format under an Open Source license, for fucks sake. There is still a lot of content in Flash and Flash is still more lightweight than whatever HTML5 DRM-ridden bullshit websites are pushing right now. Flash has no business at websites right now, but it can still be used as video and interactive animations.
Robert Wright
Most likely.
I mean, some alternative to swf must exist, right? Something that works the same way as flash in that in can be shared?
We all know Sup Forums isn't gonna let people start uploading JavaScript ZIP files.
Jose Cox
YES YES YES
Luke Reyes
fucking finally
Liam King
At the END of 2020? Do sites that use it really need that much of a heads up?
Benjamin Jones
There are sites that entire business model revolve around Flash. Porn sites, online games, etc.
Luis Fisher
Adobe not supporting flash doesn't mean it will suddenly stop working.
Ayden Parker
What will happen to pirate sports streams
Mason Moore
>he doesnt know
John Diaz
When will they release the source code to flash and the older shockwave?
Wyatt Stewart
Internet explorer, Mozilla Firefox, and Google Chrome will stop allowing flash to work. Adobe will also stop offering downloads to the Adobe flash player.
Yes, this means flash will stop working. Unless you use an insecure browser, of course. And this also means that all those terrible SWF exploits will continue to pile up.
Carson Robinson
Javascript is the only alternative. That's what internet has been moving towards; everything will be done with javascript, nothing requires a plugin anymore.
It's already a security nightmare and it'll get even worse if Adobe stops patching things. You'll still be able to play .swf files on your computer but nobody will be dumb enough to run them in browser.
They'll have to upgrade to HTML 5 players. Some of them have done that already. Acestream will still keep working too.
Michael Wright
Meh, if they're really determined they can just download and run them in the offline flash player executable.
William Hall
Well, I seriously doubt that the Sup Forums moderators are going to start allowing people to upload JavaScript files, primarily because of all the nasty things you can do with JavaScript. I could be proven wrong though.
And that determination and effort required is why /f/ will be deleted. /f/ loses all of its appeal when you can't just click-to-view your flash files. Everything nice about flash goes out the window.
Brandon Brooks
AIDSDOBE IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
Adrian Parker
>He doesn't save the .swf for later I bet you stream your porn, too. Faggot.
Brody Peterson
Flash format will be reversed engineered so their contents can be extracted and viewed as regular videos of they're videos or played in a libre flash player.
Jackson Long
Has there been an effort to rewrite SDT yet? Obviously the mods wouldn't work no matter what but there are thousands of assets for all different characters that it would be a shame to throw it all away.
Last time I played it, it was a shitty experience if you tried to do some fast movements.
Hunter Turner
know what
Jaxon Russell
Indeed.
Jayden Perez
Never, like any other company they will horde it for Trademark and Copyright purposes. So, *just* in case they need to revive it in the future :^) Silly goy.
Alexander White
Someone will fully reverse engineer the format someday.
Angel Parker
How will Flashfags ever recover from this?
Hunter Brooks
>by 2020
Kek not yet
Cameron Young
people should start taking screenshots of flash-based contents now for future /retro/ threads
Zachary Cruz
Why is Flash so fucking insecure anyways?
Oliver Ramirez
Really never had a problem with Flash but I find html 5 heavy as fuck
Daniel Hernandez
/f/ is already saying goodnight sweet prince to flash, it's going to be 3 years of nostalgia left for the board.
Jack Gray
>tfw no more lolicatgirls
David Gonzalez
>content creators this meme needs to end
Jack Turner
this For me html twitch stream lags and shutters hard, while flash one works fine, and flash is supposed to be bloated one i heard.
Also how should i run my old pron flash games once flash is kill for good ? this is important
Luis King
But muh flash porn games
Isaac Campbell
I want ability to play galidor quest on linux, which is shockwave and doesn't even have a linux port. Soon won't be possible to do even on windows.
John Cox
Does this mean I wont be able to play JSK and other hentai games in my browsers anymore?
Jayden Gutierrez
This fucking sucks, the Flash Pro is awesome and EXTREMELY simple to make content with, meanwhile in HTML5................
Bentley Powell
...
Levi Bell
>Where a format didn’t exist, we invented one – such as with Flash and Shockwave. >We Don't they mean Macromedia?
Jaxson Rogers
>TWENTY FUCKING TWENTY jesus fuck, this shit has been deprecated for almost 10 years and they still have the audacity of "maintaining" this piece of shit for 3 more years, they should just fuck off and stop altogether, nobody is ever going to miss them
Jack Adams
I'll always have Flash CS6.
...right? now I'm worries about having to sign-in to install it. is there a workaround?
Jordan Robinson
I'll miss them. I still use the FlashMX icon. Newgrounds is gonna miss them.
I realize it's just dumb nostalgia but it reminds me of a better internet.
Eli Cooper
F
Cooper Cook
>Where a format didn’t exist, we invented one – such as with Flash and Shockwave.
You mean you bought them. Flash / Shockwave was by Macromedia. Audition was a rebadged Cool Edit 2000. And thats just from the top of my head.
Kayden Anderson
I'm downloading every version of Flash Pro and there's nothing you can do about it.
Christopher Johnson
>every hipser "nerd" is dissing Flash and Java on desktop > apps for 80% of phones in the world are executed by modified Java Virtual Machine i don't understand
Adrian Wilson
It was the plugins everyone hated it, not the languages themselves
Christian Jackson
rip literally everything good about the old internet.
So when are we getting a SWF to Canvas shim that actually works?
Nathaniel Ortiz
>what is the standalone player Yea sure they're gonna suddenly remotecontrol it to stop launching :^) And by the way, Adobe has an official fucking downloadable archive of those on their site
Alexander Ward
So does that mean we'll finally get competent western animators ? Or will this shit just be replaced by 3DCG ?
Alexander Reed
>competent western animators Calarts ensures there will be a steady stream of horrible animators for as long as they exist. But hey, every now and again you'll get an animator who puts love and passion into his work despite a sea of calarts clones.
Logan Clark
Adobe Animate CC.
Brayden Peterson
adobe open source it please
Evan Cox
thank fuck for that
hopefully that means broadcasters stop using this wank for their streaming services
Cameron Nguyen
>Adobe >doing something nice
That's not gonna happen.
Liam Hernandez
this, or then just make a fucking switch in the settings or something that lets you opt out of all the shady shit the plugin is allowed to do like accessing your files, installing shit without permission and gathering information from your browser/pc
Thomas Evans
It has been a "zombie" for years now.
Jeremiah Nelson
Too bad moz:lla are too retarded to keep working on shumway
moz:lla won't support it. They are too busy morphing firefox into chrome.
Jason Cruz
I doubt they can, or that it would be of much benefit if they did. Flash is tied to and encompasses a ton of patents. Either they release it without a patent grant, in which case it isn't worth much. Or they release with a patent grant, which is a legal worry and difficult to justify to shareholders.
John Hughes
There are JavaScript libraries that are capable of parsing SWF files and rendering them in Canvas. They are still in progress by multiple separate groups. (because they are all egotistical fucktards that won't work together)
Things like /f/ and Newgrounds will simply use one of these when 2020 rolls around.
Hell, Adobe might even help with that. I'm going to be asking them to open source the entire thing. You should too, simply for the sake of archiving and conversion.
Logan Robinson
Slow and steady wins the race.
All hail the new king.
Benjamin Gutierrez
>I'm going to be asking them to open source the entire thing. You should too, simply for the sake of archiving and conversion. How?
Even microsoft has said to use HTML5 over silverlight. It's no longer usable in chrome and edge browser and they dropped support for the firefox and safari versions and only internet explorer remains.
Carter Ross
KEK
Asher Robinson
B... BUT MUH ANIMATED FURRY PORN??
Robert Jenkins
Message them. Petition them. Anything really. Communicate with them on every platform you can.
Even if all that happens is they HELP contribute to an open source parser (even if it is shit), that helps massively. I'm sure the countless people out there that still have flash-based systems would be interested in this. They might make the argument of, "well, what if they just decide to never upgrade their stuff to actually embrace HTML5?" The only response is "well, that is their loss." The parser doesn't need to be perfect, just good enough to be able to view and work with the flash files as they were under the flash player. Doesn't even need to be fast. Preferably a VM for it would be better. A VM in wasm would be nice. Create a simple, strict communication layer in the VM to prevent even malicious flash files from abusing a system. (like spamming windows or opening URLs)
We have 3 years. 3 years to at least try.
Ethan Martinez
>all those goodtimes at newsgrounds Goodbye old friend
Chase Young
>all those securitywhores Shouldn't you be running openbsd by now and sneakernet your email?
Elijah Barnes
There's a handful of specific fetish porn tubes that still only use Flash so I can't uninstall it.
Kayden Anderson
AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST
Christian Green
>like VMware vCenter. They technically have a HTML5 client but is is very limited
Update your software, the HTML5 version runs just fine now.
Benjamin Sanders
>Javascript is the only alternative. That's what internet has been moving towards; everything will be done with javascript, nothing requires a plugin anymore.
Enjoy variation in your JS engines with no standards for the runtime.
> every .swf is literally a video You funny, nigga
>Has there been an effort to rewrite SDT yet? You're asking someone to be equally proficient in Flash, decompilation and a comparable net-friendly alternative to Flash, for free. Reverse engineering might get you the basics of puppetry but there's some complex stuff in there like the jizz ropes that actually had physics behind them not just prebuilt vector animations.
Jason Cook
>Enjoy variation in your JS engines with no standards for the runtime.
This is what I'm worried about. JS cannot run half the shit Flash can while being stable and compabitible across different browsers.
Benjamin James
I once did a fresh gnu/linux install and went months without noticing no flash plugin. That was like 2 or 3 years before html5.
Benjamin Green
Once they announced it is being discontinued, it is already dead.
Mason Kelly
This
What will Zone do now?
Daniel Gray
It's got its execution dead,but it's still breathing.
Isaiah Foster
on suicide watch
Dylan Hughes
This is what happens with proprietary software. First (((they))) make you depend on it. Then (((they))) kill it some day. Fuck proprietary software.
Adrian Jones
Everyone will switch to HTML5 by January nobody will license it from that announcement on.
Joseph Powell
Does Adobe have any flash-like program that spits out HTML5 instead of swf?
Parker White
How did Shockwave die off anyway? It's always Flash that gets a lot of flak.
Lincoln Thomas
This.
Lucas Howard
I'm concerned because a lot of content and artwork (movies, games, animations, etc) has been released in the form of SWF files in the past two decades or so. I don't care if Flash dies or falls out of use, but I would like all those movies to remain accessible in their original forms for cultural/historical archival reasons.
It's unlikely to happen, but it'd be cool if Adobe released the source for Flash.
More likely to happen, I hope development on Gnash (or any other open source flash reimplementation) will continue so that even 50 or so years from now, the old .swf files can still be replayed.
Joseph Carter
what the fuck are you talking about, it's not 2009 anymore
Jeremiah Carter
>JS cannot run half the shit Flash can while being stable and compabitible across different browsers Enjoy trying to synch action and sounds. That only happened in Flash because John Kricfalusi hammered on Macromedia to git'r done. Until JS can ensure an action takes place in a particular timeline REGARDLESS OF CPU SPEED and also ensure audio plays back within the same length, you won't get a clean alternative.
That being said, it will probably happen for exactly this reason.
Oliver Ortiz
>but I would like all those movies to remain accessible in their original forms for cultural/historical archival reasons
In all likelihood either a competent JS engine will be made (requiring changes to how JS works) or it will run in a minimized VM with no access to the host filesystem.
Angel Robinson
Man, I should really get around to archiving everything before it disappears from the internet forever. You don't know you miss something until it's gone
Henry Torres
yeah, I'm hoping there's at least a few places to download these games and such, just like there's romsites.
Jaxson Hill
I wish I still had the original .SWFs for Behind The Music That Sucks from heavy.com, the videos they rendered are edited to hell and barely cover all of them. And I even remembered to save them but those CDs went poof.
Carson White
Replying just to celebrate this long battle with cancer that we have won Next stop: the google freemium model, and social media, that have destroyed the Internet
Sebastian Perez
This.
That "evil capitalist" did more to end flash than all of the "free" software bitching about muh non-free content ever did.