I don't get it Sup Forums...

I don't get it Sup Forums, if the internet was doing fine for years without net neutrality why is there a sudden need for it? Why keep another law when you can get rid of the laws that enable monopolies?

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>smartphones enticing the jews

What do you mean?

smartphones are the current trend among the investors
and because of the nature of mass users, the probabilities of dumb users are huge, meaning potential gains
this situation was impossible in all those years because it wasn't a mass market for entertainment/chat/waste of time

healthy competition (say a half-dozen providers) in the ISP market would indeed be a better solution. Not that we're likely to get it though, so we get to try and tie the hands of the monopolies we're stuck with.

Then make it easier for a competing service or company to come in

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Ban all topics that are exclusively related to America only, the outside world doesn't fucking care about your problems.

Move economics into and politics into because they don't belong here. We come to Sup Forums to discuss technology, not the infrastructure of some irrelevant jewish monopolies in le freedomland.

Talking about politics or economics that is completely technology related is allowed on Sup Forums

Well it shouldn't be. That's why I'm suggesting a change.

So you would rather have iphone and GPU threads?

We will talk about American politics as it pertains to technology because
1. Most of this website's users are American
2. Fuck where you came from; hide the threads you don't like

>1. Most of this website's users are American
That's wrong, statistics say otherwise

>2. Fuck where you came from; hide the threads you don't like
Poor excuse for allowing threads which drop the quality of the board

Talking about net neutrality is still better quality than apple shills shilling the latest iphone.

Net Neutrality bill is about control.

If you read the actual bill, it has provisions about censorship. Liberals want to shut down non-PC sites.

>it has provisions about censorship
Such as?

Wrong. Nice try shill. GTFO
Go back to your shitty board.

nationalreview.com/article/436807/net-neutrality-government-control-your-internet-service

Actually the entire world cares about our problems, because we affect everybody.

Nobody cares about your shit country because you don't matter.

Comcast started violating it by squeezing money out of Netflix. A nice customer base you have there, a shame if your data doesn't make it to them anymore

Wow a link to an uneducated opinion by someone who doesn't understand any aspect of the situation.

Nice.

>muh biased blog post

You don't seem to have any understanding of the issue, net neutrality will result in any newcomers or any experimentation get bombed with lawyers and legal fees

no the entire world just laughs at your problems and obesity rates u fat americunts. ur country a shit.

Nice off-topic posting

you called my country shit first and made absolutely zero point, if that isn't shitposting by your definitions then i don't know what is

And what is your country?

you should know if you can specifically call it shit

...unless you think literally everything outside of us is automatically shit because its not us

this assuming most service most places.

How? It is very expensive to set up infrastructure. There's really no way around that. Even if you did get set up, bigger ISPs can just gut their prices until you're out of business then bring them back up.

That's a huge majority though.

You can't just say it's a meta post and be autistic you faggot. Holy fuck, I don't even think Reddit would tolerate your kind, so I don't even know where to tell you to fuck back off to.

It's completely legit meta suggestion though.

>if the internet was doing fine for years without net neutrality why is there a sudden need for it?
You mean like when certain ISPs blocked access to Sup Forums and only reason Sup Forums was unblocked is because Anonymous was an actual threat at the time?

muney

Agreed

comcast likes to take people to court when another company is building infrastructure. its over small land disputes or whatever but it ensures no infrastructure is being laid until the case is over.

i would be a better person if Sup Forums was blocked

1st world NATO, 2nd world Warsaw, 3rd World every body else.

Know your role, buddy.

This

You type like a BR or someone from a smaller country nobody gives a shit about...Iike i said.

but that doesn't make any sense. your definitions are outdated and they have changed drastically since the last century. the context where you're using them doesn't mean anything anymore.

Because faggots don't realize net neutrality is just a term made to sound good when in reality it's just there to give more power to companies who were literally the arms and eyes of the government.

question: why do we care about companies fighting companies?

>when you can get rid of the laws that enable monopolies?
That would be great. Too bad, da joos would not like that.

It's by far the lesser of two evils tho.

>majority
>48%
Spotted the murrican

It's the largest group by far, that's a majority.

>when in reality it's just there to give more power to companies who were literally the arms and eyes of the government.
Do you have any evidence at all to back up that assertion?

google is not the lesser of two evils. The only evil here was and is google. Net neutrality's removal benefits everyone that isn't a company.

Obama administration used Google as their political backbone, both for information and information control.

It doesn't tho. It would allow the ISPs to fuck us even harder than they already are.

How will isps fuck us if government regulation is removed?

Do you have any evidence at all to back up that assertion, let alone how that relates to net neutrality?

It has everything to do with net neutrality considering this act was actually brought up because isps were cracking down on google and netflix's forceful bandwidth requirements.

By being able to throttle bandwith to sites they don't like, and making us pay more for the privilege to access them again. They've tried it in the past plenty of times. The only thing stopping it is NN. If NN goes, kiss lag free gaming or streaming goodbye unless you shell out an extra hundred bucks per month for the Ultimate Package.

majority of the users are non-american check mate

So you're all basically one country?

no but the majority of the users on this site are not from the us

So again, what's wrong with that? Either the sites optimize their services or they get throttled cause no isp is going to pay for their extra requirements. And if they don't optimize it, a new site or service will come along and do it better. See my point? Why are you against companies fighting companies?

But the US is the majority country.

>Either the sites optimize their services or they get throttled cause no isp is going to pay for their extra requirements
The ISPs aren't that benevolent. It doesn't matter how much they optimize it, if there's money to be made in throttling stuff, they'll throttle it. If a new, more optimized site comes along, they'll throttle that too.

Isps lose money if they dont trottle it because high bandwidth services in a high congestion area causes blackouts to service, which leads to high call volumes to customer service, which leads to a lot of dissatisfied customers and high maintenance costs to fix said outages. So how come you don't mind them losing money for not being able to uphold the high bandwidth usage of services like google and netflix, but are solely against them keeping their service stable for the benefit of everyone?

So you don't actually have an evidence then?

>cause no isp is going to pay for their extra requirements.
Consumers are already paying for the bandwidth to use sites like Netflix. How is it any of my ISP's business how I use the bandwidth I'm paying them for? Why should it matter if I'm using it connecting to one site or using it for scraping every last pornographic image on every site on the web?

>it because high bandwidth services in a high congestion area causes blackouts to service
Then maybe they should take the money customers are paying them and upgrade their network so they can actually provide the bandwidth that customers are paying them for.

>Consumers are already paying for the bandwidth to use sites like Netflix

No, customers are paying to an isp for the service of being able to connect to the world wide web. Customers pay TO NETFLIX to get the privilege to view their streaming services. No one is paying for bandwidth privileges. The only transactions happening are between Netflix and the isp, and they mean nothing to the consumer. Removing NN won't change anything except make Netflix either change their service or be ready to be overcome by a better service.

There's no argument for being with NN that isn't making you into a corporate shill.

>promise 50mbps
>yeah we can't deliver 50mbps due to congestion

FUCK YOU

If you actually believe that's all it is, then you're being had. Maybe throttling will be used for good at first, but it will inevitably will be abused. Also, they already charge a ludicrous price for the mediocre service they provide, don't try to tell me they need more of our money.

So you're saying that for every site in the world with high bandwidth, an isp should pay for network upgrades that will exponentially never be possible? That they should tailor their network to each individual service that requires specific requirements to run properly.

Why would any company spend millions of dollars to make it easy for one company to perform its services?

Are you fucking stupid?
No really, are you slow?

I use to work for cable companies, retard. Internet is always better in suburban areas than city areas due to that very basic problem. Netflix and other streaming services make any kind of maintenance a major pain.

It's not about good or evil. Throttling was only an act toward companies that were taking down service. That's literally been the case for years. That's precisely why the government came in and told isps that they can't do it because for some damn reason, people thought they owned the isps themselves as if it was a right, just like people think that health care is a right.

Even if you are right, ISPs are notoriously horrible and malevolent companies. The power WILL be abused. Them needing it to provide better service is irrelevant. It can, and ABSOLUTELY will be used against us eventually.

They shouldn't have the right to throttle that bandwith tho. The internet should be free and neutral above all else. The day that stops being true is the day the internet starts to die. It's already becoming a slave to corporate interests as is. Net Neutrality being gone would just accelerate that a hundred fold.

No he's right. Literally, NN is grounds for lobbying anything you want and having the government censor it cause the internet was being moved closer to being a utility. You DO NOT want internet to become a utility. Imagine trying to get a single new protocol added to your network, then having to go through tons of paper work and busy work with people in Washington just to see if it's considered right. This is exactly what happens with water and energy. Now imagine that with internet services. It's precisely whats been happening for years and it would get even more strict with NN.

Thankfully, this is all useless talk since the FCC is about to destroy NN anyway so at least this is all going to go away.

>No, customers are paying to an isp for the service of being able to connect to the world wide web.
Have you never actually selected and paid for internet service?

>No one is paying for bandwidth privileges.
So what do you call the extra $20 I pay per month to have a 60 Mb/s connection as opposed to a 30 Mb/s connection?

>So you're saying that for every site in the world with high bandwidth, an isp should pay for network upgrades that will exponentially never be possible?
Either actually have the infrastructure to supply the service that your customers are paying for or don't offer it. That's how businesses work.

>Throttling was only an act toward companies that were taking down service
You're too naive. Even if they start out only using it like that, eventually it will be abused. That's inevitable.

*cough* also healthcare is a right *cough*

And so? What's it to you? You will still have internet. Stop crying about something you have no right to. You have to pay for it anyway. If you had a right to it, it wouldn't be a payable thing. You'd get it for free from the government itself.

What's it to me? What kind of question is that? Are you seriously, unironically saying that I have no right to be upset that a company is trying to abuse their power to fuck us all over?

>They shouldn't have the right to throttle that bandwith tho. The internet should be free and neutral above all else.
They have every right to do so because they pay and manage the service of the world wide web. The internet isn't free and it isn't neutral. If you want free internet, go to either starbucks or the library. If you want a neutral internet, you already have it.

Besides, when NN is removed anyway, Google is going to come in set up their own service due to regulations going away. Then you can enjoy your FREE internet from them where they'll gladly tell you what does or doesn't work and they'll be able to run their political campaigns free of right views cause it would be their isp and they can choose who they allow.

>more baseless claims and FUD
Any actual evidence?

>So what do you call the extra $20 I pay per month to have a 60 Mb/s connection as opposed to a 30 Mb/s connection?
I thought people on Sup Forums were network savvy. Holy shit. You're paying for max speed capabilities. FOR YOU. Not for Netflix. You're paying for faster access through a single connection from your house to the closest data center. You are NOT paying for faster service of things like Netflix. You are paying for general access ONLY.

>you can get rid of the laws that enable monopolies

Because this is the real world and this is not happening any time soon. It is completely retarded to think it is. Net neutrality shouldn't be necessary, but it is an acceptable bandaid for a problem that isn't going away.

>naive

Shut the fuck, retard. I have more work and network experience than any of your faggots will.

>t-they'll abuse it

Every company abuses shit. But you can't call abuse of a service you're not beholden to.

American website on American technology, fuck off.

>The internet isn't free and it isn't neutral.
By free, I meant that you have the freedom to do whatever you want (within the bounds of the law), not that it shouldn't cost any money.

>They have every right to do so because they pay and manage the service of the world wide web
I disagree.

>Besides, when NN is removed anyway, Google is going to come in set up their own service due to regulations going away.
What does NN have to do with that? The thing preventing google from stepping in is the ISPs cockblocking them with their monopolies.

How can you abuse power that belongs to you in the first place? No one will abuse your power of sucking multiple dicks. So why should we cry that you like sucking a lot of dicks?

The internet used to have an unwritten net neutrality rule.
Now Americans want to shit all over it they need to codify it.

I cant believe you guys are still argueing over it.

KYS. US tech policy drives technology trends internationally. Most internet traffic flows through Virginia. This is a tech issue faggot

that is because we measure us as a single country rather that all the 50 states separately (which would be more accurate), whereas we don't do the same for example with european union.

>Every company abuses shit
Yeah, and that's bad. So we're mad about it. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

>But you can't call abuse of a service you're not beholden to
Yes you can. That's a very self defeating and dangerous attitude. Why should I just bend over and let them fuck me even harder than they already are? Why should this corporation's needs and wants come before my own?

Poojit Pai is paying a lot of shills lately

NN wasn't a bandaid.

>How can you abuse power that belongs to you in the first place?
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying that since they have the legal right to do that, it's not actually abuse, just standard procedure? Because that's utter nonsense.

>Yeah, and that's bad.
Okay, shut up then. I can call gay people bad and it doesnt matter. Gay people will remain gay.

Yes thats exactly what it is. They can abuse it as much as they want. If you list any company or service in the world, they likely abuse their power, too.

>You're paying for faster access through a single connection from your house to the closest data center.
I think you have a serious misunderstanding about how the internet and internet connections work. Please consider actually reading about how those work before continuing to show off your idiocy.

The EU is falling apart whereas the United States of America is governed by DC and is an actual unified country. The states are basically just micro economies which DC allows the right to make certain changes regarding law as long as it doesn't interfere with federal law. Checkmate, faggot.

W-what? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

fucking kek, you don't know shit, shill

Are you retarded? Please just stop typing or something, shit-for-eyes.

Not as retarded as thinking calling something bad that you dont agree with it as somehow something that should be regulated by the government. Soon you'll be telling me that speech should be regulated.