What can we do about the web bloat menace?

What can we do about the web bloat menace?

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Install ublock origin and umatrix

That wouldn't do anything...

Meme web 1.0 design back

If will reduce the amount of bloat you load when visiting a website.

We should move on from the web.

But it wont reduce the amount of bloat the page is intending to send.

Frankly does a lot. Unless the Pajeet who put his hands into making and maintaining a site purposefully screws with such "fixes" on purpose and makes the site unusable without bajillion JS script.
Most of them go from "unusable" to "just shitty design".

Even worse are the ones that don't load at all without JS, but when they do load it's just HTML.

>open a single website on my phone
>-10 MB from my monthly bandwidth

Who gives a shit if it can't send it? Fuck those sites and I hope they waste money trying to send me more garbage

>2017
>data cap
What are you, poor?

>but when they do load it's just HTML.
what the fuck did you expect?

>Meme web 1.0 design back
this would be so nice, i can barely stand to use a browser on pc anymore. most websites want to just over load you with information and ads, the article you want to read loads up with links to 50 other articles around it, plus an auto-play video that is someone talking about what is in the article or an ad of some sort, and i get so distracted i forget about the article i actually went there to read.

>auto-play video that is someone talking about what is in the article
Instant ctrl+w
Not worth the time to look for pause/mute button.

Needing JS? Not just fucking pure text, I'll tell you that much for free.

Replace JS with something that doesn't require 500 frameworks to be usable.

And the articles are often short, badly written (have you noticed that paragraphs are almost treated like tweets now?) and very uninformative, with pictures ever few sentences.

Letting computers do more that 80 columns of text was a mistake.

buy a better computer that doesn't have problems loading a 2mb web page?

The problem is xml is a shit format and every single person who has ever been involved with web development has tried to fix it by piling on it instead of fixing it.

>the webpages grow bigger and load slowly
>just buy a better computer
people like you are what's wrong with today's technology

Add to this the fact that the article title very often is misleading. Most often it have nothing to do with the main artical, it only there to cause controversy so you will click the link.

The state the internet is right now is very sad.

I wouldn't mind this. Drudgereport is my home page and It feels very refreshing when it loads and doesn't stutter the browser.

>poor people still use computers built over a decade ago
>developers need to make sure all modern webpages and software run smoothly on their ancient hardware

Get rid of local news websites.

Just checked my local CBS station's and ublock said that it blocked 55 items.

Which hardware manufacturer do you own, or are a major shareholder of? Because if the answer is "none" why would you encourage forcing people to buy new hardware?

XML seems really odd to me. I mean, documents are linier, so why id the formatting nested? I would have thought something more like Troff or PostScript would have been better.

I think the biggest problem right now is that people on all sides want to turn it into a new broadcast medium, even people who should know better.

xml is one dimensional, but graphics are usually 2 or 3 dimensional.
I know it wasn't intended to be a graphical thing, but it is how it is used now.
But I hear that there finally is a solution for it with the new CSS features, but it doesn't negate that so many idiots have wasted their time instead of fixing the issue a long time ago

>What can we do about the web bloat menace?

Stop hiring web "developers" who just copy paste shit that looks flashy.

Why stop it? Windows only exists for legacy support so Microsoft is running out of excuses to make it extremely more bloated with successive releases. This means that Jewtel and AMD will lack an incentive to keep developing faster hardware, because gaymers are a tiny percentage of home computer owners. Web dev retards are keeping the pressure on in MS's place.

Idiots will always exist. We may as well exploit them.

Making allowances for things like CSS or JS has proven to be far worse than using tables ever was.

Unless you're a hardware manufacturer you're getting nothing from that exploitation.

We're getting faster machines that can keep up with the growing pile of Javascript frameworks in every web page.

stop using javascript for things that do not really need it.

>we're getting faster machines that can be slowed down by bloat

If there was no bloat your machine would be ever faster.

Isn't uBlock Origin a slimmed-down version of uMatrix?

>people on all sides want to turn it into a new broadcast medium
I thought it already happend.

Just keep increasing the size of computers.

It kind of did, but now people defend that aspect, and feel powerless outside of it. But I suppose that's the obvious end-point of people thinking the internet was made for video and images, and not linked documents.

>pause video
>want to just read the article
>the fucking video scrolls with you

And they'll complain about their hosting cost, and that they need you to disable your ad blocker.

Get rid of all the shit and your costs will plummet. But nope, gotta have 10MB of Javascript, HD video and 50 images (and about 20k of HTML which is what I wanted in the first place).

Most of that is image size.

No more images/videos/media on webpages. Only text. Any pages that do need images have to use a properly scaled SVG.

The reason behind it is that lots of sites these days exist to milk ad money, not to give people information. For them even the millionth of a cent that it costs to send 20kb of plain text is waste if they don't make back more than that in advertising.

The bloat will only stop when we kill the ad industry.

>lots of sites these days exist to milk ad money


>install adblocker
>damn near every website begs you to whitelist it
>even worse are site like forbes that wont let you access it untill you whitelist it

Only rural and suburban retards care about web bloat.

Love this Sup Forums hillary meme.

>even worse are site like forbes that wont let you access it untill you whitelist it

I usually stop visting those sites then. There have to be some line.

Shut up, goy.

>let you
That's a relative term. It's always been pretty easy to pretend you're the webpage and download the actual, real, worthwhile content rather than the shitty framing. EME may change that if they extend it to text/* types.

CTR pls go back to school

I think they just block you entirely because if there were to go "because you have an ad blocker you just get a .txt file" most people would be thankful.

Use a script blocker. The "OMFG whitelist us!" is almost always JS. There's a lot of sites that still display the article with JS off, the layout is just fucked. Of the sites that don't, allowing first-party but not third-party JS often allows the content to display while breaking the ads and ad-blocker checks.

Advanced trick: Set up a hosts file, and then run a webserver on localhost (most ad-blocking hosts files redirect ad domains to 127.0.0.1) that responds to all requests with a 204 No Content.

>muh 2MB
fuck off pajeet.

All that does is move the bloat from the frameworks to the language itself.

Required reading:
motherfuckingwebsite.com/
idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm

Much more constructive and helpful than MotherfuckingWebsite

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move to first world and get internet service without transfer caps

build sites properly and browse with elinks

High margin enterprise applications drive AMD/Intel because margins are garbage in consumer hardware. General consumers get stripped down models from all the effort. The flip side is that most ARM SoCs are designed from the ground up for consumer applications so those companies would be more inclined to keep shitty inefficient web design going.

>lol just deal with shit don't question or complain against it

It's amazing how much a technology board can withstand shitty implementations of technology.

theres a lot of people here who don't really care about technology, they just like consumerism.

there's nothing about "shitty implementations of technology" in the op, so I have no idea what you're reffering to

Not visiting websites like that.

Get a modern computer and internet service.

This. Pay more to your ISP and spend a few hundred on a new machine.

Disable bloat on your end and direct your usage to lean sites. Then either get into the business of making your own lean sites or coming up with ways for webdevs to do it more often.

Someone made Javascript. Someone can replace it.

The replacement for JavaScript should ne a big hole with a sign that says "don't put anything here."

What about CPU heavy websites? Take Brazzers for example;

1 Brazzers tab: a couple of % usage
30 Brazzers tab: 60% usage of my fucking 8-core processor and it makes my browser sluggish as shit

I can have infinite regular HTML/CSS non-responsive websites open with less CPU usage compared to this faggotnigger responsive HTML5 design language bullshit

are you browsing Sup Forums without any js? have fun clicking quotelinks jumping around the page to follow the discussion

>3dpd shit
you deserve it

Already happened, I replace it with based elm.
Have never been developing happier

javascript is fine. its the frameworks that are bad and every unskilled pajeet webdev uses those instead of writing their own efficient javascript code that does only needed things.