If you want help: >Assemble parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >State the budget for your build (and country if not USA) >List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate >Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs? How to assemble a PC, select components & more (outdated) wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC
CPUs: No i5 unless discounted >G4560 - poverty-tier builds >R3 1200 - Budget builds (R3 1300x - Good stop-gap between the 1500x and the 1200, only get a 1400 if you absolutely need multithreading >R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can >R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks >R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming
GPUs: Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser >Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games >GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both >RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz >RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games >GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high >GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p >GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games >Vega NOW.
RAM: >Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM >Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM
General: ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS! Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor
It has its place if you use freesync or need more compute than the 10-series offers at those prices. Also undervolting seems to be pretty effective at keeping the power draw more reasonable without much FPS drop.
Jaxon Hill
So i7s are a complete meme now and Ryzens are the new hot thang even though they have somewhat worse gaymen performance albeit at a much lesser price? I have a 4790K and the 7700K actually performs slightly WORSE. Sees like there's no reason for me to swap to a newer CPU/Mobo and DDR4.
Carson Myers
Yup. i7's are now almost completely useless because Ryzen was such a huge step forward. Intel will continue trying to compete by making a bigger chip, but they won't truly be able to compete.
Jaxon Allen
7700K won't be worse than a 4790K at the same clocks unless something is fucked up. But I would just wait for Coffee Lake if I were you.
Is there a pre-established build under $600? Every one I see that used to be under 600 or at least claims to have been is upwards of 650 if not 700. Are there any good builds for gaming that are cheap?
Xavier Bell
what are you trying to do? You have a mish-mash of performance and budget parts and neither of those will be achieved with what you have
Grayson Parker
what does "Vega NOW" mean ?
Logan Turner
Play some gayms for under 2k, also workspace
Ethan Jenkins
I saw benches somewhere and the 7700K was ever so slightly worse, but I need to check the clocks again. 4790K is 4.0 GHz stock and 7700K is 4.2 GHz stock, possibly counting boost.
It sure as hell isn't worth to upgrade the CPU over GPU though. Might just wait till Zen 2 or Covfefe Lake.
Shit sucks because I want a new GPU but miners are raping prices and Vega is well... Vega.
Have you looked at the logical increments meme?
Jose Lopez
Problem is GPUs right now due to miners. What exactly do you need out of a $600 build? Are you willing to use a used prebuilt or do you want everything new?
Lincoln Wood
I want to buy a vega 56
Levi Davis
1) Not a meme: Drop your misconceptions and "consider" a Ryzen build. 2) Do not spend that much on a case. 3) Discard the idea that higher cost = more performance. It does not apply to every component, and when it does, not in the same way. 4) Pirate windows and/or find a cheap stolen key. Reinvest that costs elsewhere or pocket.
Owen Price
>i've been stuck with lga 775 pentium shit-tier build since 2010 >when i finally want to upgrade all prices are inflated and there are no gpus who else /regretful/ here?
Ryan Bell
Means vega is out NOW.
But not really though because it's sold out fucking everywhere + prices are inflated as fuck.
Cameron Harris
upgrade everything but the gpu for now.
Samuel Murphy
I just want to be able to play Europa Universalis 4 at an acceptable/stable framerate. Ideally on the top speed. Anything above 10fps. And I don't particularly mind prebuilt or used components I just can't really go too much over around 500-600.
Evan Parker
i'm leaving current pc for my brother. i'd buy a pc now but ryzen has no iGPU and i cant be bothered with buying another gpu just to have my pc boot
Robert King
Im building a ryzen5 1600. Whats the fastest memory to get?
Juan Miller
Don't most mobos have integrated shit?
Ian Brooks
3200 mhz. Looks for Samsung B-die ram. Ryzen loves it. Like G.Skill Trident Z. Or G.Skill Flare X that was designed specifically for Ryzen
Adam Allen
if you're buying intel, wait for coffee lake. If you want a PC now, get Ryzen instead (it'll save money too) If you know you need 32gb of RAM, go ahead, but odds are you don't It's hard to see your build as it is needing water cooling, but if you want it, go 'head cuz >paying for software Put all the money you save toward a better GPU. Considering the state of the GPU market, I'd just get a 1080ti if I had your budget. Your splurging on a case but if you really want that one, don't let me stop you. It's just overindulgent is all
Logan Fisher
I've been out of the loop. Why are RAM prices almost twice as high compared to last year?
Luis Cox
for an exhaust fan with corsair carbide 400c, am I better off with 2 120mms or 1 140mm up top? (holds up to 2 140's or 3 120's)
so now that Vega is basically not a good option all things considered and that board partner cards are confirmed to be non-existent, is it still worth getting a freesync monitor for a 1070? realistically, how much worse is it when playing without variable sync vs with variable sync on a 1440p 144hz monitor?
Ian Adams
not graphic cards
Landon Phillips
Mobile markets are straining the supply of DDR4 in general which affects desktop RAM prices. Same thing for SSDs but not as bad there
Adam Wilson
so give your brother the skeleton and let him buy a 1050ti himself? you're already giving him something, he'd have to be a fucking faggot to be ungrateful
Ian King
Integrated audio or wifi maybe but not integrated graphics.
Smartphones are starting to use ddr4 memory and the supply can't keep up so prices are increasing.
Ayden Diaz
Best value AM4 board right now?
Alexander Sanchez
For a dumbass that knows jack shit exept what part is what. Why is it not important to catch up to date if I want to learn hardware?
Evan Lewis
I'm pretty sure you don't need a GPU to get video output from your mobo.
Michael Sanchez
Vega 56 AIB exists and reviews already show reference Vega 56 beating 1070s
Sebastian Kelly
How about 3600 mhz?
Joshua Gray
depends on if you want positive pressure (more intake) or negative (more exhaust)
check your fan CFMs, which is how much air they can move.
140mms can spin slower and move more air quieter
Eli Wright
Harder to hit but definitely possible with certain boards and kits.
That's if your processor has integrated graphics on it.
Evan Garcia
Ryzen's don't have an iGPU and mobos with those built-in ports are for passthroughs from CPUs with them like Athlons on the AM4 socket.
A dedicated GPU is required for Ryzen, currently.
Asher Young
if you really need integrated graphics and don't want to buy a gpu, just get a used 4790k or 6700k and be done with it
Jordan Lee
i don't want any damage control. we all know vega isn't that good when everything is considered from power usage to board partners saying there are no custom cooled cards coming anytime soon (source hardware unboxed). i'm already set on the gtx 1070 but my real question was related to the general experience on a high fps monitor without adaptive sync tech
also european pricing has vega wayy to overpriced even compared to the 1070 which is barely available as it is
Jonathan Morgan
meant to quote
Jacob Lewis
That's pretty shitty. You could just buy a shitty $30 gpu for the time being though.
Daniel Jenkins
To be fair unless you're putting it up against a poverty build (the Pentiums with iGPUs) you'll probably want a dedicated anyway.
Aaron Wilson
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Ryder Nguyen
Thanks user.
I see a Gskill ripclaw v series (2x8gb) 3200 for $145. Is it worth it?
Jose Garcia
Thanks user.
Caleb Walker
he's older than me and broke. i actually have some saved money, meanwhile he failed a year in HS due to LoL addiction and frequently plays 40h+. plus he also stole shitload of money from me (still i didn't get everything back).
Sebastian Bennett
why the fuck would you give him a computer then?
Benjamin Davis
Ripjaws and TridentZ seem to have high success rates from what I've seen on OC forums so broadly speaking I would say yes it's probably worth it. What CAS latency is that rated at 3200?
Robert Peterson
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Dylan Cook
16-18-18-38 good enough?
Luke Hughes
literally google
Jonathan Kelly
Is 1080 or 1080ti worth it over 1070?
Cooper Hernandez
Yeah that's fine
Dylan Cook
At 1080p not really except in a few very demanding titles. At 1440p or higher yes it is worth it.
Isaiah Stewart
What is the normal price for an AIB rx 580? $250? Going to wait for prices. If I wait long enough maybe things will get better.
Cameron Anderson
we're sharing it. we bought it using our money in ~2009 (still the same specs since then).
Henry Allen
if you get an unlocked processer do you NEED the highest end OC mobo to utilize the default clock range the CPU has (which is usually about .5~ ghz over the non unlocked version)
I'm getting a free 5 grand from school for being a good boy so I figured I'd spend a lil extra on a case Considering how much I've spent in other shit 200 is nothing
Carson Garcia
In theory yes, but that assumes you have a monitor and keyboard.
To get a decent set of those will cost you at least 300, and that 300 usually isn't included in the build price.
Michael Thompson
will it run AAA at 1080p
Nicholas Scott
What is the THICCest GPU I can get?
Joshua Adams
If I decided to go the Ryzen option what else should I switch?
Christopher White
The motherboard, the cooler (specifically the bracket to connect it).
obviously the MoBo, and Ryzen benefits especially from faster RAM, so you might as well bump up to 3200mhz.
James Young
I have a monitor & keyboard/mouse already that I tend to use with my laptop. Even with those though everything I find tends to be higher than originally stated. Though I suppose I may just have to wait and hope shit lowers in price.
Juan Mitchell
How does Ryzen actually do with emulation and specifically real Dolphin games not that shitty benchmark. I don't want to switch from my i5 if half of my emulated games drop to 20FPS or worse.
Evan Roberts
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Brandon Foster
It runs everything well that I've tried including Last Story and Metroid Prime. That benchmark is basically useless if it's the same one I saw on the forums.
Michael Roberts
If you have a case with a PSU/drive bay shroud and a bunch of space to stick the extra cables, does a non-modular PSU matter?
Grayson Ross
modular psu is literally for 'muh aesthic' only. it doesn't impact airflow in the slightest.
Dominic Allen
>Last Story Sounds pretty good. I was only able to run it at stable 30 after using ubershaders stuff in the newest build.
Isaac Clark
Is there a tool to edit the bios on video cards to hard code clock/voltage settings?
Elijah Bailey
Yeah I'm using ubershaders too, helps a lot.
Camden Clark
Vega is fucking trash.
Nathan Fisher
24/7 load doesn't happen unless you're mining. My fucking gaming life is mostly shitposting and playing games that don't even get my 390 to 50% load.
Thomas Allen
I know I have to update the bios on for my new build, so that the RAM will reach it's full potential.
When should I be updating the bios? Should I do it on my first initial boot before I install my OS? Or do I do it after I've got everything up and running?
Gavin Flores
is Xeon E3-1231v3 good for a gtx 1080?
Hudson Flores
Mining is the only reason to buy an AMD GPU.
Jaxon Ward
just flash it whenever. Might as well just do it as soon as you power on
Owen Moore
Im still running a 2500k and Im thinking about upgrading soon since my motherboards broken audio processing is driving me insane and my case and fans are falling apart/breaking. Is now a good time or are there any neat new technologies on the horizon I should wait for? I use it for programming, games, and photoshop mainly, occasionally video editing, and I don't need a new gpu.
Wyatt Ortiz
nvm actually. cant find a decently priced used one. what xeon wont bottleneck a 1080?
Zachary Nelson
Well yeah that's what I was thinking, so I didn't get it all working and then end up breaking something when trying to update. Guess I'll just do it before installing the OS.
Jeremiah Ross
Wait for Coffee Lake to give moar coarz at 5 GHz.
Mason Morales
Kappa
Henry Phillips
>Intel literally cannot compete with AMD on price to performance >Decide to take AMD'sold marketing tactic of MORE CORES! >still bad value and less cores than AMD
Ayden Powell
great time to upgrade everything but gpu and RAM although you're gonna need ddr4 anyway and I don't see a /good/ time to buy RAM in the near future
you can flash it after too but some drivers often need to be reinstalled so it's probably just easiest to do it beforehand
Levi Morris
>AMD is still on Sandy IPC and can't get past 4 GHz >Intel will deliver a 6 core with high single core and annihilate the 1800x in gaymes >literally still believing that moar corez means moar performance