Lets talk about CloudFlare for a moment. In case you've been living under a rock...

Lets talk about CloudFlare for a moment. In case you've been living under a rock, "The Daily Stormer" has been kicked off every major internet infrastructure provider except Tor (the only one who not only can't but won't police them). CloudFlare was one of them. CloudFlare, Tor, GoDaddy, and domain registrars in general should be neutral entities and not be the police of internet content.

The CEO of CloudFlare literally woke up in a bad mood and decided to kick them off. He states;

"Having made that decision we now need to talk about why it is so dangerous. I’ll be posting something on our blog later today. Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power."


What does Sup Forums think? Where does the policing come in? Should it be policed? What happens when major internet infrastructure decides to stop being neutral? Can any country claim something is illegal and compel others to ban a website?

Have we ever seen this kind of mass exodus of providers willing to service a legal website?

Hard Mode: Assume all content is either good or bad (ignore details specific to Daily Stormer so this doesn't become Sup Forums) and judge it based on that.

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it'll start off with things that the majority dislike e.g neo nazis and will continue to create an extremely restricted internet not allowing individuals to come across differing ideologies, this is what the masses want though and what we are headed towards an extremely filtered existance

Indeed we live already in a really /cyb/ world

Also I think that infrastructure providers and general building blocks of computing should always be politically neutral

DailyStormer was a great containment site. Now those faggots are going to come streaming back to 4chin and *chon.

Why would they shut down a functioning honey pot? Virtue signalling on crack.

>continue to create an extremely restricted internet
Of course, after this precedent has been set, there is no reason for many more websites not to be taken down.

I would expect to see a slow but steady crackdown on all parts of the web that are somewhere far right. Due to Sup Forums being here on Sup Forums I wouldn't bet on its continued existence if this trend continues in the next months/years.

After that the floodgates are probably open far enough to wage political wars through ISPs and things like cloudflare.

ISIS sites get shut down all the time, so it's only natural that garbage like TDS would be too.

However It was more useful up than down.

By the time this process is over, technology will be primarily a tool used to control us and take choices and information away from us.

At this point, the best bet to live a happy, fulfilling, and authentic life is, ironically, to move to a 3rd world country lacking the infrastructure and wide reach of the central authorities to implement what is happening in the first world.

or Sup Forums takes over a small 3rd world country and uses it to develop tools for freedom and living a happy and fulfilling life

>more sites migrate to Tor
>can't be blocked
>more people find out about and learn to use Tor
>golden age of open information

Honestly their response seems reasonable and level headed. They didn't stop providing their service to a group because they didn't like them, they terminated it because the group was saying that Cloudflare secretly agreed with them and held the same beliefs.
If I was providing a service and a customer uses my service as an opportunity to grossly misrepresent me, I'm going to stop giving them access to my service too.

That's not level headed. Level headed is to ask for a public apology about misrepresentation. Refusing to serve a softcore nazi site while still offering services to proper jihad sites is anything but level headed.

vc.gg/blog/response-to-dailystormer-cloudflare.html

Yeah, but some fat chick died.

The cat-and-mouse outcome did occur to me, but I think something has fundamentally changed in that technological development has put the modern 1st world state in such a position of power that attempts to circumvent it will be futile, now that communications over the net are something they care about. Consider the manpower, reach, and computational capacity behind the NSA - then consider the fact that private sector internet oligarchs are willing to play ball with them.

Hell, some people claim that Tor is already compromised.

>This is just a lie. Never once did I claim they were secret Nazis, which is why there is no quote in his statement.

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>Honestly their response seems reasonable and level headed.
But it sets a precedence.
If it becomes standard practice to drop every website the CEO does not agree with then we are entering a very grim age.

They obviously had the right to do it and a reason for it, but that matters very little. If this trend continues politics will start to revolve around controlling the internet and shutting down the oppositions reach.
I think nobody in their right mind would want that.

Registrars have too much power right now. To say that someone can no longer be found at all on the internet unless you know their exact IP address at all times is effectively banning them from the internet. It's unconscionable. Now anyone who has a website with "disagreeable" content is at risk. Sup Forums makes fun of the victims of terrorist attacks, for example. Will Sup Forums.org's registration be cancelled next?

Agreed that domain registrars need to be neutral. A registrar should not be able to cancel your registration on the basis of the content you host on your website. I'd go as far as to say that even if you're hosting illegal content they shouldn't be able to cancel your registration as long as you're a paying customer. If you host illegal content they can report you to the authorities, it's not a registrar's job to police the internet. Especially given that we now know from experience that their "policing" involves cancelling the registration of websites with 100% legal content just because it's offensive.

It's been one attack against the civic implementation of free speech after the other.

The large tech industries are going to curtail free speech. There is some speech they think no one should be allowed to say.

So get your Islam jokes in while you still can.

But they didn't have their domain seized from them, did they?

No, because they've broken no laws. At least, recently.

What I don't understand is that if this was truly about censorship of ideas, wouldn't this would be shut sooner? Companies didn't start dropping them until they could justifiably say it broke their ToS. I think everyone should have a free platform to speak, but advocating/justifying violence breaks the ToS of a strikingly large amount of companies. Why are the tech companies viewed as the problem here?

Well, the post I replied to makes no sense then.

Shut down sooner*

Because Cloudflare has no issues with proxying ISIS sites which actually advocate violence.

Because the implementation of such ToS is not standard across the board.
Antifa, which is a legit terrorist organization, hasn't had their hand slapped over similar complaints. In fact, they've been romanticized.

It has nothing to do with violence or the acts related thereof. It has everything to do with the political leanings of those capable of making these sorts of decisions.

>wouldn't this would be shut sooner
It should be quite clear why they did exactly now, Charlottesville happened and the public opinion was very much against the people participating. Doing it now would result in the least amount of public outreach. The people defending these far right side on the basis of free speech are now easily dismissed as defending terrorists.

>Why are the tech companies viewed as the problem here?
Because they have an enormous power, imagine what would happen in the 1950, before the internet, if the postal services were private businesses and would refuse to deliver newspapers based on political content or opening letters and refusing delivery if they disagreed with the contents.
You see how dangerous this would become?

Tech companies will soon become major political players, who can easily win any election for the side they stand on, simply by denying their opponents any kind of platform.

US-based domain registrar with constitutional protection when

Cloud lel is a joke but poltards had it coming.
They are teenagers as is and should not be allowed to shit up the internet more than it is.

They've pretty much guaranteed the FCC is going to get involved in their business because of how badly they've rolled their political beliefs into everyone's home.

>poltards
But next time it won't be just Sup Forums tards.

If the CEOs of tech companies start to ban based on political opinion the future looks pretty dark. You can be sure that at some point they will also come for your site.

>Cloud lel is a joke
How is cloudflare a joke? They have the power to hide site from DDoS. Who else can provide that kind of service, and for free too?

Absolutely fucked up it's cencorship of the highest order.

Best thing they could do is go on tor desu

U.S. government operated, not U.S. run. My bad.

>and for free too?
That's the thing.
You don't think they really do it for free, right?

lol who the fuck cares, there are more domain registers out there, use them cucks

They start asking for money for big sites, but that doesn't cancel the fact that for small ones they do it for free, and small opinions are definitely worth protecting.

Also this as well like the double stands here on display is absolutely insane.

Same with discord and Facebook all the other sites giving antifa to do whatever they want

I hope you enjoy rampant corruption and low wages.

Ausfag here we already have this in spades at this point I wunna move overseas

We will have to see what comes out of this. But I think you have to be very optimistic to believe that it will result in a freer internet.

I guess the companies are free to refuse their services to anyone in the end, and you can't force them to provide for "X".
They still can run the site it seems, just not with cloudflare or many infrastructure providers, but as stated above it's not their duty to protect everyone from DDoS out of solidarity.

You can't run a mainstream site without a CDN, it's the sad reality of 2017. Any opponent can just DDOS you to death and there's nothing you can do about it. Internet of Shit made it even worse of course.
Not like it was CFs responsibility to house them, but it's sad to see them pull the plug for the first time. If it's true that TDS claimed CF endorses them I'd have pulled the plug too desu.

TDS denies it.

there's other CDNs tho\\
>nazis claim something didnt happen

color me surprised and hang me from a tree

Rip free speech on the internet things are only gonna get worse from here it sets a very bad precedent

You're way too biased to make a rational decision.

T. Alt left violent faggot

pretty soon nazis are gonna have their own form of ghetto speak and we wont even know what they are saying or talking about, just like the "urban youths"

>>nazis claim something didnt happen
To be fair, if it did happen CF should have been able to provide a quote and a source, but they did not as far as I am aware.

In general it should be the duty of the person who makes the claim to back it up.

hows that? they are white supremacy nationalists, you couldnt get closer to a nazi if you fucked hitler

t. polfag who just hit puberty

only reasonable response, thats true

>le alt left is a thing!

>waaah babby lefties DDoS me eberyday! gib me my god given right to use Cloudflare!
Host it on Tor or pay for Incapsula or Akamai, retards.

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Cut it out. Both of you. This is why important threads about things like internet censorship get deleted.

>only reasonable response, thats true
>hows that? they are white supremacy nationalists, you couldnt get closer to a nazi if you fucked hitler
How can you have those two in the same post? Are there two different persons writing on your computers?

I used to be a centrist actually but considering how violent and insane these antfia nutters have gone makes them no better than the Nazis.

Funny because it's ww1 ww2 all over again this is how it started

This. Technology is already becoming more and more inevitable people think it's a key factor in staying socialized.
It's slowly but steadily crawling under people's skin.
Majority thinks hate speech should be kicked off and give their liberties to governments, and that will get them too, sooner or later.
Government just laughs and rubs hands like pic related.

>only natural that garbage like TDS would be too.
I honestly don't know what the site was, or really care. But you sound like a massive faggot. I'm entirely neutral here, but unless this site was literally hosting Child Porn there's no reason to take it down, and you know that if it was a site that supplied you your daily confirmation bias you'd be frothing at the mouth. It doesn't even have to do with them coming here, it has to do with my belief that people are going to be pieces of shit, and there's not a whole lot you can do to stop them.

Congrats, you stopped their online forum. You've given precedent for sites that the wider public don't like to be removed from the index. Just wait until it happens to a site that you happen to agree with.

They're just going to meet up in person now, or on another forum. This has done fuck all to stop people from being shitty, and is only really bringing them attention. Congrats. Now stop being a faggot and let idiots be idiots, get off your high horse because I'm sure you believe in some absolutely retarded shit too, moron.

To me it has been clear we are heading towards "channel Internet" for a long time. I think the french already once voted on this like five years ago and it was struck down then. But you know they keep coming.

It's really easy to explain to ordinary folk how Internet needs to be tightly controlled: security, porn, black market, people from other countries, capitalism (the owners of infrastructure should be able to do whatever the fuck they want), etc.

I give us a decade.

Boo hoo this site is also heavily censhored as well it's been a huge Honeypot since 2009

That isn't my point. Stop shitposting.

>calling a nazi a nazi is unreasonable

literally how

k

It's already happened first it started with VPN and p2p blocking.

We will be like chinas great fubarwall very soon
This is more of a discussion that should be on pol anyways

I told you that you are biased, the other post did the same only more politely. Your reaction to those posts are as if the content was different and not just tone.

the content was wildly different, one person called me biased, one person provided the information that cloudflare hadnt provided a source ergo educating me and changing my stance slightly on the issue

>This is more of a discussion that should be on pol anyways
It isn't. These are fundamental questions about the internet and they are very much technology related.
When you make it about ebil nazis or SJWs mods see it and trash the thread. Why wouldn't they?
If we keep it technology related then it belongs on Sup Forums.

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You were biased. You're admitting it now. You admitted it in the same post where you got really upset about me claiming you're biased.

you keep typing words but not really saying anything

I already said it. Your reaction in is incoherent.

everything i have said is coherent

This never really was a free speech issue, no one was arguing that.

This is about setting a dangerous precedent. You can not have a free internet if people get banned because the CEO disagrees with their politics.
And if that becomes more and more common place, things will get very bad, political wars will be fought through these companies, since they have the power to completely end your competition by deleting them from the internet.

Compare this to private postal companies, how free would you feel if they started, as private companies, to refuse the distribution of papers according to their politics? What if they opened letters and refused service based on their contents?

So you took a position without adequate information. That's the definition of bias.

This is simply a sign of the continued centralization and commercialization of the internet. People not completely oblivious to this trend (found on various tech sites as well as on Sup Forums) have long predicted that one day the internet will be nothing but another channel like radio or television, controlled by some few. This has been happening for a while now and will continue to get worse.

my position was in support of a private entity exercising their rights to not service a customer. That is still my position. However i feel differently about the reasons given.

This is turning into a pretty big problem.

xkcd always struck me as a depersonalized guy that likes pegging.

oh no, people who dont want to service nazis due to bad pr are booting them. this is just business as usual you fucking mongoloid

What? No, you implied thee Daily Stormer was lying because they're Nazis without doing any fact checking whatsoever despite the fact that you have perhaps the most powerful research tool humanity will ever create at the tips of your fingers.

That's bias, son. I'm sorry, but grow up and accept your flaws.

Will Tor or the Onion Netwoerk ever be a safe option for the near censoring of the Internet?

>what is being facetious

maybe take an autism test buddy

No.

It doesn't matter who they are. Or even if the companies have the right to deny service.
It isn't a good thing.

We already had at thread on this. Why does Sup Forums love to overreact to virtue signalling?

They said that they can't censor the Tor network in that post.

The fact that they have to go to companies to maintain their service shows that the free internet is dead. If I can't run a service from my home connection, there is no free internet. NAT and dynamic IPs killed the internet.

And next time it won't be the nazis.
If private companies start to ban people based on their own politics, the day will come when it hits you too.
It is basically guaranteed that Sup Forums will be kicked off the same way in the next couple of year if this trend continues.

And why is this about bad pr? There are ISIS accounts on twitter, should they not be targeted aswell? What about antifa? Or other terrorists?
And why now, and not years ago? And why things unrelated to nazism, such as gab or the event with jordan peterson and gad saad?

>They said that they can't censor the Tor network in that post.
The blog post to be specific.

>I was only pretending to be retarded

Whatever you think you need to do to save face on an anonymous image board

The Daily Stormer suggested that Cloudflare supported their beliefs, so Cloudflare cut them off.

It seems reasonable to me. Cloudflare was providing a service, not buying into your religion.

"Hey Jude, just because you're yelled at, boycotted, have your businesses canceled or get banned from things made for Aryans only, doesn't mean you're free speech rights are being violated. It's just that the people think you're an asshole and they're showing you the door".
- t. Nazi in 1933

>The Daily Stormer suggested that Cloudflare supported their beliefs
Any source on that?
The CEO claimed it without giving a source or a quote, the nazis deny it.

How can they block sites like this over TOR but CP rings are alive and well?

Not saying they didn't say that, but, could you point out where they said it?

>How can they block sites like this over TOR
They can not. They just stated that they didn't like nazis on TOR, but couldn't do anything about it.

>businesses arent giving hate groups a platform due to negative pr
>this is bad

no its business you fucking cuck

unlike you autists i actually know how to have a life outside of the internet. ill move to freenet, i2p, or any other contender. hell i could make my own meshnet with some buddies

non argument

they cant you fucking idiot

> Can any country claim something is illegal and compel others to ban a website?
You think that does not happen?