If you want help: >Assemble parts list pcpartpicker.com/ >State the budget for your build (and country if not USA) >List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate >Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs? How to assemble a PC, select components & more (outdated) wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC
CPUs: No i5 unless discounted >G4560 - poverty-tier builds >R3 1200 - Budget builds (R3 1300x - Good stop-gap between the 1500x and the 1200, only get a 1400 if you absolutely need multithreading >R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can >R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks >R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming
GPUs: Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser >Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games >GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both >RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz >RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games >GTX 1070 or Vega 56 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high >GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p >GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games >Good fucking luck even getting a VEGA right now
RAM: >Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM >Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM
General: ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS! Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor
I have a 390x and 1600x build but I can't decide on a new gpu
All I play ATM is siege pubg and fh3
Vega seems like a expensive flop but new drivers are said to have 18% improvement over this.
What do?
Alwo need a new screen 27" 1440 or 4k?
Jose Brooks
Reposting question from here If it helps the mobo is a X8SIL
Owen Bailey
How important is IPS for Sup Forums?
Charles Bailey
Not really worth upgrading if you aren't gonna get a 1080ti. Definitely not worth getting a vega right mow either. If the shills are roght amd drivers DO turn vega into Jesus the GPU and demand goes up and you have to pay $100 more, that's better than if the drivers more than likely don't fix it and you drop $500+ on a piece of shit.
Charles Garcia
Another plus is that I can flip a imported Newegg 1080ti here in aus and make $200+
Ethan Stewart
Only case in which I'd consider a TN is if someone was throwing it away. I wouldn't pay money for one.
Charles Cooper
Should I do it?
Cameron Rogers
>op sticky states no i5 unless discounted >you picked an i5
Justin Hall
Why?
Carson Perry
>RX580 + 1080p Freesync monitor >GTX 1070 + 1440p monitor with no G Sync
What would you choose?
Gabriel Smith
That's cheap for aud these launched at 950iirc
Anthony Gray
>i5 You fucked up
Asher Gray
Doesn't answer the question my gentleman
Ryder Hill
Did u not see the pubg bench? Besides I can flip my 390x for a shitload
Lucas Gomez
So you want it to play pubg and you think you can defray the cost by selling your existing card?
Kayden Clark
>when your GPU runs at 2kV
Dominic King
Nah not just pubg
But yeah gpu prices are insane 390x here go for $500aud used on eBay because miners
Mason Flores
>using hardware monitor
Dylan Long
it gives me temps and that's all I need
Caleb Flores
at what level of investment in a ryzen system should I care about ram speed
Matthew Thomas
I doubt you actually need 16gb ram or you even know why you even buying that much. also >paying for windows
Jordan Green
I've got 32 and never use it it was only $2/gb so it's not like I wasted money
Dominic Ward
I want to buy an SSD Should i get SATA or M.2? Or there's no difference?
Robert Young
depends on your m.2 if it's pcie it's going to be much faster some m.2 is SATA 3
Michael Bennett
extremely important since higher freq RAM is required for infinity fabric to do its work
Jack Bell
Falcon posts on Sup Forums pretty regularly. He's a pretty cool guy. I haven't seen him in /pcbg/ for quite a while, but It's gotta be pretty tough to keep a site like that up to date with the current market volatility.
Caleb Howard
A month to 5 years
No, but it's absolutely not worth the cost. If you've been playing counter strike at 144hz for years, you'll notice a slight difference.
Andrew Campbell
Any.
Dominic Myers
Read the OP.
Ryder Ramirez
You know what, i just went over their current list. It's actually fairly solid. Sure, the gpu prices assume MSRP, but I understand why. The only real criticism I have is that motherboards in certain tiers are perhaps too expensive for the purpose, and the i3 in the "good" tier doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I also think the s340 should be represented in more tiers.
Carter Morgan
youtube.com/watch?v=B20sgr-zgj0 TL;DR get 2666mhz if you can easily afford it. Get 3000mhz if you are getting a slightly pricier rig.
Nathaniel Morgan
I know it's a bit extravagant, but i'd really love to do a build in one of these Streacom F1C cases, problem is the wisest thing to do seems to be wait for Raven Ridge, but it's awfully tempting to do the build and drop in a cheap bristol ridge APU as a placeholder.
Connor Walker
should i get a new computer or a car?
Carson Gonzalez
how well does your current computer/car work?
Oliver Lee
currently have a 8320 with a 780. current car is non existent. just the cost of running a car is something ive never done before so idk if i want to.
Bentley Bell
I'd spend the money on the car. Go for something cheap They have a sticky with great info on picking up a cheap reliable used car.
Jose Butler
Car. Your 780 should last you a while longer at 1080p. Might be time to upgrade CPU to a cheap ryzen or coffee lake when that releases, but I don't understand how a person in an industrialized country can really function without a car, unless you are in a city and can bike everywhere.
Christopher Foster
ryzen needs the whole motherboard and ram thing, would end up being nearly a whole build anyway because i want to replace the case in particular. as for car i usually walk to work and bus to friends houses. a car would be more convenient for travel time but i dont really do much as is. i was thinking either spend a few grand on a pc or save up and get a second hand coup fir the fuel economy
cheers, i didnt realise mazdas rusted so much
Kevin Davis
>cheers, i didnt realise mazdas rusted so much Yup. They're pretty famous for it
i will keep my rx480 and storage that i have currently.
Adam Scott
I would go for an MSI B350 Tomahawk motherboard. Looks good otherwise.
Cooper Parker
Motherboard must be matx for the case i want. The MSI boards i looked at does not have full vrm cooling.
Andrew Parker
Figure out your budget, you need fuel to run it, insurance, servicing, maybe parts among other stuff.
Daniel Sanders
>Motherboard must be matx for the case i want. MSI B350M Mortar then
Oliver Allen
How much hassle is delidding a 7600K? Do you just pop the cap off, clean the toothpaste out, apply some CLU to the die then stick the cap back on, or am I missing something?
Cameron Price
2k for pc or 1000n +3000 where n is the weeks if i go for a car. fuel parts and insurance i guess yeah. insurance seems so expensive cause of my age though
Wyatt Phillips
Those are all really expensive parts. Are you going for maximum nice-ness? Or do you just want a simple performance boost? Because if you wanted to cut costs, I would suggest going with a ~$45ish air cooler, 3000mhz cheaper memory, and a power supply that doesn't cost $120 dollarydoos. (i'm very partial to my EVGA GQ, or Corsair RMx series if you must go with that brand). Theoretically the X ryzen has a little better chance at the silicon lottery, so you actually are paying for performance there.
Is it ok to just get 2400 RAM with an R3-1200 and try to overclock it to 2667~, or should I pony up for the faster stuff? I know Zen scales its inter-CCX bus directly with RAM speed and the difference is stark, but it seems ridiculous to spend more on RAM than on my CPU.
Benjamin Barnes
fuck off shill
Jayden Edwards
see 2666 seems to be the sweet spot for ryzen. Overclocking a 2400 kit to 2666 shouldn't be too much of a hassle, but it's not guaranteed, especially with zen. But ram prices are kind of insane, and you're already in r3 budget range. I say buy the 2400.
Andrew Miller
If I were a shill, I'd have told you to delid the CPU yourself, break it, and then shift to a Ryzen platform, Which is still an option btw.
Levi Thomas
i am accusing you of shilling for that garbage delidding service; damaging your cpu during delidding requires one to have steel rebar lodged in their skull or perhaps no brain matter at all, it is not dangerous.
Lincoln Phillips
>requires one to have steel rebar lodged in their skull So. How is it texting from an OR?
Alexander Ross
I want a good build that has a small neat case, that can have gpu + my asus essence stx soundcard. this 2500k computer lasted like 6 years! price doesnt matter much.
John Ramirez
do the higher ram speeds improve the serial performance or what exactly? because single thread is important to me, that's why I'm getting the 1200 and not bothering with a 1400 or 1600.
Not important enough to shell out for a 7700K or paying $700 for a kit of 7ghz DDR4, mind you, but important enough that I'd like to get the best ST out of these budget-end Zen parts that I can.
Christian Howard
I need a suggestion for an upgrade. I currently have x2 Radeon HD5870 in crossfire but their age is starting too feel. I remember when they costed about 200-400$ but now are just a relic.
What should I upgrade with? Is it even worth to try the 3-way crossfire? As CPU I've an AMD FX8350 so bottlenecks shouldn't be really a problem.
Hunter Robinson
reason why i looked at the asrock AB350M pro4 is that it has 1x pcie slot for soundcard above the 16x slot, so the soundcard wont get in the way for the gpu cooler.
Samuel Young
crossfire isn't worth it now because so few games actually support SLI or crossfire. CPU-wise, the ones to go for now are either the AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core, 12 thread) or the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (8 core, 16 thread) GPU-wise, you may want to wait a bit. AMD cards are WAY overpriced at the moment due to miners. motherboard-wise, a $100 B350 board is the sweet spot for Ryzen. B350 supports overclocking butu the $100 price point is the golden spot features-wise.
Landon Williams
>do the higher ram speeds improve the serial performance or what exactly? They improve multicore performance due to lower CCX-to-CCX latency and higher bandwidth. Shouldn't make any difference for single-threaded applications.
Isaiah Miller
but there's tons of benchmarks showing the ram speeds affecting max fps in games like csgo which is a strictly ST scenario
Evan Wilson
Increasing RAM speeds increase RAM performance More news at 11
Jonathan Russell
I just recently bought (~1 year) an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX with the said processor so at least another couple of years before going to upgrade it. GPU's are the pressing point right now. Any good ol'gen alternatives?
Also I though that after ASIC hardware for bitcoin mining on desktop died.
Kayden Watson
>Any good ol'gen alternatives? not at the moment. Blame the miners. All the good mid range cards are ridiculously overpriced. And mining came back big this year with ethereum, which is resistant to the Asics cards. The best way to mine etherium is with GPUs. To put it in perspective, they usually sell about 20,000 graphics cards a year. In 2017 so far, they've sold over 500,000. Supply can't keep up with demand.
Liam Myers
God damnt, I'll just wait then.
Charles Williams
8gb polaris is a meme right?
Cooper Scott
It's the best mid-range card there is.
Chase Russell
but is 8gb worth it or should i just get 4gb?
Jason Green
>ryzen 1600 Or >Coffee lake i5 I've heard that the i5 will have 6 cores with kaby lake single core performance. Is that true?
Lucas Fisher
>want to go intel because i just play games and the superior single thread power will be better for me >cant be bothered delidding, feel like i should only go intel if i delid otherwise it's a waste
Adam Cruz
new games use multiple threads very well.
Thomas Reed
4GB is the minimum you need for current games. the 8GB model will have some longevity
Austin Rodriguez
It will also probably be around the price of a 1700 and that is without adding in the cost of a mobo that you'll have to throw away if you want to upgrade because coffe lake is the last chip compatible with that socket
Thomas Hill
past 4?
Dylan Long
why do women love amd users so much? i own a vega and i just fucked a 1080 owners wife
Brandon Brooks
how good are jonsbo cases? the QT03 is on special right now and im in dire need of a new case
Adrian Gutierrez
>nvidiots bitch about vega when they will pay this
Juan Russell
umart red flag flag red
Blake Torres
very much so. Modern games are designed for 8 threads in general. More than 4 threads are necessary for gaming going forward. i5's and R3's just are not enough going forward.
Nicholas Flores
I missed out on a 450usd 1080 and 600 usd ti I'm so mad.
Besides if Vega price stabilizes I'll just get that since Pascal is old and Nvidia can't squeeze any more out of it
Eli Russell
Yeah I cancelled it
Retailer's here are scum the only one sticking to rrp seems to be pccg
Lucas Roberts
ple sticks to rrp, you can get it cheaper from them too if you ask
Ethan Roberts
What about Vega stock?
I feel now is a bad time to buy Nvidia it's kepler all over again