Alright Sup Forums, Windows 7 vs 8.1 in 2017

Alright Sup Forums, Windows 7 vs 8.1 in 2017.

Let's do this shit

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technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/ms17-010.aspx
technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms04-011
cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0533
cvedetails.com
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The UI of Windows 8 is shit. However, at least it can be modified relatively easily.
I like the StartIsBack + Aero Glass for Windows 8 + OldNewExplorer combo

Windows 10, on the other hand, has a bunch of spyware that's difficult to fully neuter without potentially breaking the OS.

Where could I get a clean Windows 8.1 iso?
I want to try it out in a VM

I use Classic Shell with OldNewExplorer and a Prenumbra 8 theme on my 8.1 install and I couldn't be happier. No forced modern UI and telemetry bullshit. Basically less bloated 7.

if it wasnt for the shit smartphone ui, windows 8 would be a decent os replacement for win 7.

I can't think of a single reason to use 8, 8.1 or 10 over 7. Not one.

10 is the future, you'll have to switch

I'll switch... to Linux.

8.1 is a little faster, and it'll get updates for longer.
Just use it with StartIsBack + Aero Glass + OldNewExplorer and it works similar to 7.

>Windows 10, on the other hand, has a bunch of spyware that's difficult to fully neuter without potentially breaking the OS
It's another episode of "tech illiterate Sup Forumsedditor thinks 7 and 8.1 is not spying on him"

Sure. Why didn't you already?

already did the same thing out of the same reason
only for the occasional street fighter match i have to dual boot

t. XPfags when told they'd have to upgrade to 7
Funny how they all just ended up moving to 7 and started saying it's the best Windows OS ever.

>faster
Hardware.
>updates
Why?

You're in denial.

This, I can't believe how people suddenly think 7 isn't spyware just because 10 is worse. It's almost like MS does it on purpose.
>people catching on to the fact that your OS is spyware
>release new version with even worse spyware
>everyone looks at the old version and says "well it's not so bad, it could be worse, at least it's not [new version]"
>everyone happily uses the old version thinking it's ""secure"" even though they're still willingly sending you all their data like the cattle they are

>>updates
>Why?
If you're technologically illiterate please refrain from posting on the technology board.

I asked you a question. Can you answer it, or are you just pretending to know what you are talking about?

Why updates? What are they for?

Windows 10, it has the stability of 7 and speed of 8.1.

Are you asking why updates to fix vulnerabilities in software that has unrestricted access to all of your computer hardware, and by extension anything you do or have on your computer, are important? Enjoy getting RATed by some skiddie using a 5 year old exploit from milw0rm because you don't think you need updates I guess.

I already have it on my work laptop.

The irony. Technological illiteracy is how you get malware. You have a perception of hacking similar to hollywood movies.

>Technological illiteracy is how you get malware.
You are fucking retarded, that's the only thing I can say. Kill yourself out of Sup Forums and back to Sup Forumseddit with you.

>You have a perception of hacking similar to hollywood movies.
And you have basically no perception at all. You don't seem to realize it, but you can get your shit infected purely by sharing network with retarded tech illiterates (like you), or getting hit by 0 day venerability. Not all exploit rely on retards like you running .mp3.exe.

You can get malware by not patching exploits for years.

More and more irony from your posts. Sharing a network with tech illiterates is technologically illiterate, you fail. running mp3.exe is technologically illiterate, you fail. getting hit by a zero-hour vulnerability is tautological to running mp3.exe, you fail.

I'll say it again: There is not a single reason to use 8, 8.1 or 10 over 7, and people like you arguing otherwise only reinforces my conviction.

Yeah? It just magically appears on your computer? Explain the process, tech wizard.

The point of vulnerabilities is to reduce the reliance on user stupidity. Malware doesn't need an exploit if it can trick a user into downloading it and running it with a high privilege level. But if there is a privilege escalation vulnerability in the user's system for example, then it only needs the user to run it, removing the additional step of requiring the user to grant it certain privileges. This is an easier mistake for a user to make. Now, if the user's system is also running vulnerable software that allows for remote execution of arbitrary code, then the user does not even need to be tricked into installing the malware themselves at all. Congratulations, you have now been infected with malware without doing anything other than simply running vulnerable software. No user input was required and you are now an unknowing participant in Ivan's botnet.

You are either underageb& or have a very elementary understanding of this whole thing. Feel free to look up such worms as sasser and blaster. Both of these worms abused vulnerabilities that had been previously patched by Microsoft, but still caused ridiculous amounts of damage because idiots like you think you don't need updates as long as you don't run britney_spears_nude.jpg.scr.exe.

yes explain every windows exploit since the release of win7

yes, this exact thing has happened on large scales countless times with windows before

>then it only needs the user to run it
Technological illiteracy, just like I said. You fail.

>Now, if the user's system is also running vulnerable software
Circular logic. Requires initial technological illiteracy in installing vulnerable software. You fail.

>Technological illiteracy, just like I said. You fail.
You appear to have level of general English illiteracy.

>Circular logic. Requires initial technological illiteracy in installing vulnerable software. You fail.
Yet you are running Windows.

Yes, because people are technologically illiterate and open doors. You aren't explaining the process because you don't know what you are talking about.

8 is objectively faster and more modern. 7 cant even mount disk images lol. Also the ui is in fact superior. The start menu is not for everyone but the removal of the hideous aero glass is great.
But both are shit

Nothing but insults. The cries of somebody who's wrong as fuck.

you open the door simply by using outdated windows versions retard, serious security holes are discovered in windows all the time and require constant patching to close.

>outdated windows is vulnerable because it is vulnerable
All of these tautologies, my god. Can you explain the process of """hacking""" these """security holes"""?

Your installation of Windows, especially without updates installed, is vulnerable software. I certainly agree that running it makes you technologically illiterate, but you seem to be almost arguing with yourself at this point. You say that there's no point in installing updates because you need to be technologically illiterate to get infected with malware, including by running vulnerable software. But not installing updates means you are running vulnerable software, so you are calling yourself technologically illiterate while saying you aren't going to get infected by malware because you're not technologically illiterate. You're going entirely in circles.

Just as an example:
technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/ms17-010.aspx
> The most severe of the vulnerabilities could allow remote code execution if an attacker sends specially crafted messages to a Microsoft Server Message Block 1.0 (SMBv1) server.

Explain the process as to how someone would place malware on your computer without your involvement. The irony...

I don't understand why anyone uses 7. 8.1 is more up to date, performs better and retains all the functionality 7 does. If you don't like the interface, you can easily change it with 3rd party tools to be like 7.

You can have windows 7, but faster and with more modern features, with the same level of botnet, and yet people refuse. Makes zero sense.

Requires connecting to a network that a stranger can access. Lots and lots of irony in this thread, every post it increases.

In the example I provided of sasser, you can view details of the exploits here, as well as a number of other unrelated but just as serious exploits.
technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms04-011

Sasser in particular abused the following exploit in LSASS: cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2003-0533

I don't understand why anyone uses 8.1. 10 is more up to date, performs better and retains all the functionality 8.1 does. If you don't like the interface, you can easily change it with 3rd party tools to be like 8.1.

You can have windows 8.1, but faster and with more modern features, with the same level of botnet, and yet people refuse. Makes zero sense.

>I'll say it again: There is not a single reason to use 8, 8.1 or 10 over 7, and people like you arguing otherwise only reinforces my conviction.

I will say it again, you have no idea what you are talking about, leave this board and fuck off back to Sup Forums where you came from. Tech-illiterates are not welcome here.

Judging by the fact that you're posting here I'll assume your computer is not airgapped.

There isn't a single exploit on this list that doesn't require action from the user.

Yet you cannot explain how somebody places malware on your computer without your involvement, because they cannot. Cognitive dissonance has set in, and you are flinging insults out of anger because you are afraid that you are wrong.

A network that a stranger can access. Gee, I wonder if there might be some kind of network that you're accessing now to talk to strangers.

Yeah someone 007ing my house to access my network isn't about technological literacy that's getting into the territory of home security.

The only action you need to take is connecting to a network.

Your network is connected to the internet, I assume, otherwise you would not be posting here.

See: cvedetails.com
You could find critical vulnerabilities which would, for example, only require you to browse to a website and not have Javascript disabled.

Embarrassing semantical argument at best, complete ignorance of networking as a whole more likely.

Embarrassing semantical argument at best, complete ignorance of networking as a whole more likely.

no you dont understand he has an uber 1337 firewall he's totally locked down bro

Such as?

>it's a bot

what exactly are they sending?

> Can't hack me brah I got Norton

Got hit with the same desperate argument at the same time.

I am 100% confident he has firewalls disabled, both software and hardware ones. Firewalls are unnecessary and for tech illiterates.
Also it interferes with his gayming activities.

and look at how people are not saying win10 is the best after upgrading, instead they are going back to 7 lol

>resorting to strawman arguments after getting buttfucked
Yawn

Well that's just it, you can't know exactly what. You just have to trust them. That's why non-free software is an injustice to the user.

Search yourself, I pointed you to a site entirely dedicated to listing vulnerabilities. Just sort them by highest score first or something.

i cant know because wireshark doesnt show anything, nice try tho

Yeah dude there's a vulnerability where you just have to sit in your chair and suddenly someone has your credit card information. Search for yourself.

In other words, you have no idea.

ZorinOS / Lite

This is the equivalent of saying vista sucks I'm going back to win2000. Bizarre.

You think you're just magically immune to literally every circumstance every vulnerability could possibly use as an attack vector.
Whatever, you're an idiot, and you're not going to change your mind.

more strawman to help my strawman

because vista was shit at that time, just like 10 is right now

You completely missed the point.

the point is that 10 is shit

Yeah, but they're shit for different reasons.
Vista was shit because it was a ground up rewrite of Windows, and of course there were going to be bugs and compatibility issues.
Windows 10 is shit by design.

No, I just have experience dealing with keyloggers and other forms of malevolent software and understand how such things end up on a computer as well as their limitations.

I literally just gave your argument back to you. If you think it doesn't make sense, that's because it doesn't make sense, which is precisely why I mirrored it.

8.1 with Classic Shell and all metro stuff removed/disabled.

If u compare speeds between 7, 8.1 and 10 they are in the margin of error. IMO W7 performs the best in actual use. W10 is unfinished and has search issues with the latest version. also ads, bloat, apps, spyware, updates...just no.

Give me one reason why you believe not keeping your PC up to date is better than doing it.
Do you only apply this "logic" to your windows installation, or do you keep all your software outdated like this?

> No, I just have experience dealing with keyloggers and other forms of malevolent software and understand how such things end up on a computer as well as their limitations.
Your experience with keyloggers is not relevant. If your system contains a vulnerability and it is not patched, it could potentially be exploited. It doesn't matter how smart you think you are; keep your software patched for vulnerabilities.

Even most people on Sup Forums who use Windows are using 10. I'm not sure where this idea that there's some sort of mass exodus of 10 users switching to 7 has come from. Last month, 10 had 26.80% of Windows installations, this month it's up to 27.63% whereas 7 fell from 49.04% to 48.63%. This is data according to netmarketshare which has always been more conservative with Windows 10 numbers than other sources, statcounter has Windows 10 up from 36.6% to 36.93% and 7 down from 45.76% to 45.73%. Steam did display a decline in Windows 10 users, down from 50.33% to 49.59% and 7 up from 32.05% to 32.91%, but this is the only month it has done so and the overall trend shows very rapid adoption of Windows 10.

Either way there is a very clear trend of continued Windows 10 adoption, with Windows 7's market share being eaten into the most.

Careful, these guys are really defensive over their updates.

>Even most people on Sup Forums who use Windows are using 10.
LMAO

> Even most people on Sup Forums who use Windows are using 10.
I actually doubt that.

we can only hope

This seemed to be the case in most strawpools actually. Obviously those are easy to fake, especially on Sup Forums, but 10 usually get pretty high scores in those pools.

gentoo

Because in order to do so I have to install an operating system that openly admits itself that it is spyware. I would rather keep an operating system that is already secure and works than """upgrade""" to spyware that has lots of compatibility and memory issues and is some weird clunky hybrid of desktop and tablet tech that mines you as part of the user agreement.

Why would I run software in the background that has administrative access?

And yet none of you geniuses can explain the process in which one of these exploits is utilized without user action.

Every poll I've seen suggests 10 is by far the most used here.

piratebayproxy DOT in/torrent/11116438/WINDOWS_8.1_PRO_x64-ACTIVATED(EXCELLENT)

its easier for me to get a hang of original 8.1 iso + official ms toolkit (for uefi)/ or daz loader, so i choose 8.1.

In all available sources such as speccy/desktop threads and strawpolls the vast majority of Windows users appear to be using 10. Granted, it's not going to be a definitive source, but I wouldn't take the existence of a lot of "wow 7 is the best 8 and 10 r teh suxx!!" threads as evidence of a very high number of 7 users. Remember that the board was full non-stop of "XP is the best everything else is trash!!" as late as 2013 despite the fact that virtually nobody was actually using it. As the holdouts get closer to being forced to let go of their OS, they get more and more vocal. I expect you'll see the pro-7 threads get more intense over the next couple of years until they all disappear overnight and either move on to Win8/10 or different operating systems altogether.

It's just the normal Windows release cycle. I remember it happening as far back as XP with the 98 holdouts in Windows communities. "Why do I need NT I'm not using a workstation", "You need real mode DOS to do actual work", "XP doesn't run on my Pentium 100", etc etc.

>And yet none of you geniuses can explain the process in which one of these exploits is utilized without user action.
You have already been given example, wannacry required no user action (other than not patching OS) to have people's files encrypted.

>WINDOWS_8.1_PRO_x64-ACTIVATED(EXCELLENT)
>clean Windows 8.1 iso

xd

thats because nt actually inproved over 98, 10 does nothing better than 7, its literally botnet: the service pack

You have to be on a network that allows filesharing to be affected by it, i.e. tech illiteracy. Already pointed that out.

I use it in a VM works smooth af, pre-activated with the km spico thing

There's no reason to think Sup Forums doesn't mimic the world at large, especially the gaming segment, and those markets generally put 10 at top with 50%, 7 behind at 35% and 8.1 at I think 10%. I'll never understand 7 users, but that's how it goes.

from microsoft you mongoloid, you dont need a windows install or a key.

There were plenty of 98 holdouts at the time who did not agree with you.

not the point, once they upgraded they were happy about nt, thats not the case with 10 because its well known that people are sick it it and are going back to 7

Or this is a option just download kmspico for activation and use the official windows 8.1 ISO.
If you are in denial with this