How come so many people on Sup Forums seem to have an extreme hatred of the poor...

How come so many people on Sup Forums seem to have an extreme hatred of the poor? I understand it's supposed to be a tactic to embarass people into buying a product but whats wrong with people having different budgets?

poverty means you have nothing and you're out on the streets. relative poverty means the guy next door has a nicer car than you. i doubt many people on Sup Forums are truly poor, if any.

Because they are(,) themselves

because they're unattractive and have no social skills so they use money as the only metric to judge people by. most of them are borderline poor anyway so it's actually pretty sad. i try to ignore it.

People are poor for a reason. Whether it's from laziness, to popping out too many kids from being a worthless whore, to being a druggy/drunky. Being stupid isn't an excuse since most people with actual work ethic go to trade schools.

what about the physically/mentally ill?

you're too weak for Sup Forums

Not all lazy, unproductive people are poor. See: Wall Street

It's just an American thing... I think it is so they can coax their fellow Americans to buy their expensive shit. It's part of their Jewish heritage.

There is no shame in being poor, the hardest workers are poor, the people with the hardest jobs also have the most badly paid jobs. Well paid jobs like programming are not hard work.

What about the billions of people being exploited by capitalists? I mean the entire premise of capitalism is to divide people into classes and keep them there.

>Implying communism or socialism is any better

That wasn't my intention to imply. Capitalism IS a broken system though.

Even the rich are technically exploited by capitalists. The "working class" refers to the class of people who earn a wage and who do not own the means of production. All of these are exploited by the bourgeoisie, even the rich working class like hired CEOs who do not own stocks, but only are hired. Being exploited by the capitalists does not mean that they are poor

You can't deny that there's a pretty big difference between sweatshop labor and a hired CEO though.

str0nger then u at least budee

So it's okay for me to steal all your wealth and get away with it because you're too stupid too defend yourself and know better?

Still by definition working class because they don't own the means of production like the middle class (people who own their own means of production like freelance programmers and small business owners) or the bourgeoisie (people who own means of production, but does not provide any work, but rather takes the fruit of the work of others without providing anything other than owning the means of production, ie. Stock owners)

By definition everyone who earns a wage is working class and part of the proletariat and even though a CEO might not feel exploited he technically still is because the stockholders wants money for owning the company. Either as dividends, higher stock prices or both.

They either find a simple low paying job somewhere, or they spend their whole life leaching off their parents/the government. Society as a whole would be better off if we just gassed them.

i always just thought
>t. poorfag
was just another meme, never gave much though to it. also technology is inherently consumerist. its like you've never even read ted k

You forgot the biggest reason which is just plain bad circumstances. Pretty much bad luck.

That's also how some people are rich as well. Pure luck or born into it.

when the trap you set is so obvious that only an idiot would fall into it, then yes. Case in point, credit-card companies tell you straight up "Yeah, we'll charge you 30% interest if you don't pay off your balance at the end of the month", and yet there's no shortage of people who buy a big-screen TV or some other pointless shit on credit because they want it. They walk right in the door to debt slavery. You can't save people from themselves, so at some point you might as well say "someone's gonna take advantage of this loser, might as well be me".

Shhh... You might hurt someone's ego. It's only luck of the bad variety when things don't go well for you. When things DO go well for you it's due to personal merit and accomplishment.

I always thought it was a joke.

Underrated, but other way
People are NOT poor for a reason
Poverty and hardship is the natural state of humanity. Not being poor is a heuristic. It relies on delayed gratifications and high time preferences. Even when faces with bad luck or adversity, you can usually pull yourself out of poverty with them (not necessarily into wealth)

> .t brainlet
You couldn't keep up with them for a day

And this is a exactly why education has failed America, people like this

yeah, we should gas all the little kids too, all they do is leech off their parents and the government, i mean come on, state-funded school? what a load of bs

t. someone who doesnt understand capitalism

They have Aspergers and have no grasp of the concept of empathy or sympathy.

I don't hate the poor. I help them out quite often.

>Predatory lending is the fault of the debtor

Why are Americans so obsessed with victim-blaming?

Alot of them are basic consumers who think their nice trinkets make them rich. Ignore it.

Not who you are responding to, but I've been homeless, yet I've never been in credit card debt.

Nobody forces anybody to take out a credit card, let alone charge more to it than they can afford. If you don't like the terms, don't make the deal. Pretty fucking simple.

You can have safety, like a child or a mentally incapacitated adult, or you can have freedom. And credit cards are not necessary to function in society. Hell, not even traditional bank accounts are necessary (although it makes cashing checks easier and less expensive).

If American education was worth half a shit there'd be a lot less poor people, because they'd avoid the shit that poster was complaining about. You should have fourth graders taking classes that teach them "this is what it means to be in debt, and this is why it's really fucking dangerous and you shouldn't do it"

if parents and schools were doing their jobs properly nobody would take debt on those terms. Predatory lenders (and a lot of lenders period) would be out of business. But we don't teach our kids about that. And there are lots of people that just shut off their brains when you offer them money, even you try to warn them, even if the fine print says you're signing away your life to get it. Those people will get taken advantage of and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Don't shed any tears for them.

Nice tard logic there m8, into the oven you go.

>I've been homeless, yet I've never been in credit card debt.
Same.

>If you don't like the terms, don't make the deal.
You are sidestepping the issue which is that the terms and deals are predatory. They lure in debtors with bogus advertising and misleading numbers.

>Those people will get taken advantage of and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
YOU are the problem. This is that cancerous victim-blaming. The only reason they are able to get "taken advantage of" is because there are people that are willing to be on the other side of the table. Both sides are equally at fault.

>You are sidestepping the issue which is that the terms and deals are predatory. They lure in debtors with bogus advertising and misleading numbers.

They don't do anything that isn't in the fine print. The fine print itself might have been a point of contention in the past, as it was extremely long and complicated, but Eternal September was, what, 24 years ago now? Where people who were specialized in one area (say, plumbing), could give advice to people who know nothing about that area, and in return, said people could be given advice regarding areas that they don't know about. There's NO excuse to not understand that Check Cashing and Credit Cards are predatory in this day and age.

It's part of autistic spectrum ocd behavior. Maybe not quite autistic but not artistic for sure. It's a metric to value people by and to feel a sense of victory which is necessary in these individuals. Also the need to win and argument/debate is important for these people too as well as identity politics and identifying with sports teams. The American way is to trigger their shit in a way that puts dollars in your pocket.

>Both sides are equally at fault.
Wahh, why are there bad people in the world? Why can't I be protected? Why can't everything be safe, even if I'm an idiot or make poor choices?

Any economic system that assumes the absence of self-dealing, greedy, or downright evil people is doomed to failure. It's impossible to keep those people out, because they're everywhere. Actually, you're one of them - every man has his price. And since there are going to be "predatory" people around, you have to be skeptical. Nobody, no socioeconomic system, no government, can relieve you of the need to think about your financial decisions and avoid making stupid ones. Even in the impossible case where there were no "predatory" people around, idiots would get themselves into trouble. Make something foolproof and the world will build a better fool.

Sure, go ahead and ban bona fide fraud and lies. I fully support that. But there will be plenty of "predatory" people who are technically not lying but are selling you something that's a bad deal. Nobody can assume the responsibility of avoiding bad deals for you. You have to do that yourself. And some people will fail at it. Sure, educate people on how to avoid that. Teach them that debt is dangerous and that they should think twice before signing anything. But some people are impervious to education or good sense. Let these people fail. They're going to fail anyway, no matter how hard you try to save them. Trust me, I've met some.

I feel like poor people are morally and ethically better people than rich people since they are driven by actual compassion rather than greed. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions on both ends but on average...

I think I'd rather be poor than rich. Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna be poverty tier but I don't want to be filthy rich either. Money is directly correlated with happiness up to about $80k/yr at the current value of the dollar. Beyond that relationship becomes non-linear and there are diminishing returns and while not proven yet I suspect there is an inflection point somewhere where increasing wealth actually DECREASES happiness. Honestly if I can make between like $70k-100k per year I'm doing well for myself and I feel like I won't be significantly altered morally and ethically. I never want to be making millions or billions. It's way too much.

I remember back when I was a kid, my dad had an extension ladder that had a warning not to put it on frozen surfaces. When I asked why they would even need to say that (I was like 5 or 6, and I knew that ice tended to be slippery), he said because there are idiots in the world, and that those idiots get themselves hurt or killed, and then sue the makers of whatever they were using when they hurt themselves, and get tons of money for it.

I think the dude you're responding to would claim both the ladder without the explicit warning ON THE LADDER, and the idiot that didn't realize that ice is slippery were at fault.

I'm tired of idiot-proofing the world.

I agree with everything you are saying. However what you're missing is that with the responsibility to avoid bad deals also comes the responsibility to not pressure others into them. Both these MUST go hand-in-hand. It is irresponsible to lay the blame solely on the debtor by telling them debt is dangerous. The creditor suffers too when they don't get their money back. Anons, you need to take steps to get over your victim-blaming fetish.

>However what you're missing is that with the responsibility to avoid bad deals also comes the responsibility to not pressure others into them
Which bank is holding a gun to the head of someone, forcing them to join? Which lender is threatening harm to a person or their property? There is no coercion at play.

Just because people misinterpret things based on big letters doesn't mean that they were coerced. An example that comes to mind was a newspaper ad that appeared on Consumer Reports back cover. It was for a Hummer 2 at some rinky dink dealership. It said, "UNDER 50 MPG! WOW!" They weren't lying, they were just hoping that people would see 50 MPG, and think that an H2 would get more than 50 miles per gallon of gas. That's on the person reading, not the person who made the ad.

There are many ways to coerce someone that don't involve physical force. As you probably have seen by recent events, applying social pressure and telling a lot of small lies goes a long way. I am disappointed to see you defending this behavior.

>That's on the person reading, not the person who made the ad.
No. They are both at fault.

There are people who will offer you money in exchange for your being their servant. I think what that other user doesn't want to accept is that one can choose to turn down the offer of money.

there's lots of social pressure on everyone to do lots of things that aren't necessarily good for you. Sure, rail against peer pressure and all, but at the end of the day you, and nobody else, are responsible for the choices you make. Including bad choices like borrowing money at steep interest rates.

Crime rates (not just theft to get by, but literally almost every type of crime) are far higher among poor people. Money doesn't make you a good or bad person.

collectivism. better to mock someone else than t be mocked yourself. cant say im not guilty of doing so, but i do respect them to some degree.

>no education
>just a homely janitor
>still manages to find a woman to love
>still manages to raise kids and send their asses to college
>doing a job noone wants to do, and still makes a ok life doing so
>stronger than me

then again, you get the peasants, making minimum wage on 20 hour weeks, yet still seem to have enough cash to get drunk daily and have a iphone.

>No. They are both at fault.
No, they aren't. Just because YOU didn't read the ad correctly doesn't mean that the maker did anything wrong. He was perfectly up front and honest. The fact that someone expects to have any measure of freedom as an individual without having to do due diligence is what leads to these problems.

This is as bad as the argument of, "Nobody reads ToS and Privacy Policies, therefore none of the shit that I don't like should happen. Everything on my phone should be free of charge, free of ads, AND not sell user data!" They have to make their money somehow, and you expecting them to do it legitimately when people remain WILLFULLY ignorant is what causes problems.

user, there are many things in this world that aren't illegal but are still morally and ethically repulsive.

Just looking at crimes rates and drawing conclusion based on that is very misleading. Also consider that while crime rates are higher among the poor compared to the rich there are a LOT of poor people, most are not criminals and when you look at the number of poor who commit crime out of the total number of poor people it still constitutes a small percentage. But crime rates are generally a poor predictor of ethical standards over a large population.

>you, and nobody else, are responsible for the choices you make
That's a nice notion but unfortunately it's not true In a debt-based society. Somebody needs to pay those debts off, and the "responsibility" of who pays them can be transferred. If those people who got bad loans default and can't pay, then what do you think happens?

A properly written ad has no "correct" way of being read, regardless of whether or not the product is a scam.
>They have to make their money somehow
No, they don't. They can go bankrupt just like any other chump who took out bad loans. The system goes both ways.

Ok, then. I want you to explain what method of "honest" advertising you would implement. I'll try and find a way to manipulate the rules you lay out to my advantage.

This should be fun.

Fuck off poorfag

>AC broke
>compressor unit won't turn
>indoor unit is blowing hot air
>change the run capacitor
>it works
>in fact the compressor stops screaming and run silent like it was new
well should have done it earlier.
good thing i live in a landed house. would have died if in picture.

Socialist brainwashing at work.

What country are you in?
Around these parts we have nothing but respect for everyone but the lazy.

Predatory lenders would still be out of business if the loans weren't ultimately guaranteed by the government in some way, whether that's making the debt un-defaultable (student loans), or directly insuring the principal (subprime housing loans).

>Crime rates (not just theft to get by, but literally almost every type of crime) are far higher among poor people.
rich people break the law too, they just don't suffer the consequences.

welfare should be paid through voluntary charities and parents should have to take responsibility for their homeless children

All systems are designed to divide people and exploit them, they just have different propaganda.

Lol man I use a thinkpad by choice I don't hate the poor.
Truth is most poor and rich people alike use Apple products so as long as Thinkpads are an old dinosaur poorshit laptop I'll still be laughing.

Loling@(you)