Would you work in a place like this? Pros/cons?

Would you work in a place like this? Pros/cons?

Id be the guy on the bottom right. Actually fucking working and not lollygagging

If I was the CEO and had the only private office in the place, then yes, I would. It would make it all the easier to walk around and look over people's shoulders making sure everyone is on-task and isn't goofing off, and also to just yell across the room at everyone for not working long enough hours. Any transgressions against the management would be easily stamped out.

If I was an employee, then no. There is no benefit to it. Especially not as a programmer or someone else who needs to concentrate and avoid distractions, or even as someone who just needs personal space and a sense of grounding.

If I couldn't get any other job, yes.

Or if I were allowed to crawl around the air vents Die Hard style.

>be that guy in the bottom right
>be stressed out
>you friendly tokening baby boomer neighbor tells ya it's going to be alright.

people who dont like this kind of environment are people who just want a paycheck and dont care about programming.

In startups where you are always starting from the scratch and building something that hasnt been done before you need to be working closely with programmers on your team, in a sort of 'agile' environment where you keep close track on what everyone is doing.

>work
Look at all those Macs. There's no work getting done there.

I think this is a little too open. Being in the same room as your team or a few related teams is one thing, being in a room with that many people is another.

Uh huh, keep telling yourself that. While you whine and sit around alone doing nothing, people are doing actual work on Macs whether you like it or not.

No, this is too open and there are too many people walking around. Cross-communication is key, but so is the ability to concentrate.

I've worked in the silicon valley at a place like this before. I personally only prefer open workspaces like this when you're with a smaller team.

I would be the guy with the girl on the lower left. Finding someone and drag them over to discuss my screensaver/lock screen.

>get hired
>only care about working and not socializing
>decide to put a microwave at your desk
>cook 3-day old spicy Indian food everyday for lunch at your desk
>always finish work on time and never bothered

>people are doing actual work on Macs whether you like it or not.

>browsing for gay porn
>actual work

lel

I think this would have the inverse effect.

I worked at a place like this before, but it was so much worse. Rackspace. Pure fucking nightmare. People there couldn't code their way out of a paper bag.

Angry tumblring is not work.

most of the aggressively big-box places like this (spoilers its facebook) abuse the hell out of open offices to try to pretend that they're more start-up-y than they are

in reality this sort of open office only works when your office is like 10 people max. past that its just stressful backdrops

also

>everyone's on social media

no shit, this is facebook, of course the people there are going to be working on facebook

source: was there many times pleading with/yelling at the feed and canvas teams, that shitty grey carpet and the sjw-lite posters are obvious indicators

In a full open space like that I'd go to the best corner I could find and use the noise cancelling headphones

I would not. At this point in my career (mid-30s, upper management level work), I won't take a job if it doesn't come with an office that has a door.

>In startups

Does that look like a fucking start up?

>most of the aggressively big-box places like this (spoilers its facebook) abuse the hell out of open offices to try to pretend that they're more start-up-y than they are

yeah thats why they do it........

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Fuck open workspace. Too many people talking. Take that shit to conference rooms.

nah, it would be more organized if they wanted panopticon

you have no idea how much the former-startup-now-big-box tech shops fetishize the idea of being a startup, and this type of office is a big part of it

The idea is really the panopticon on steroids, though - it doesn't rely on one central observer, it relies on everyone observing everyone else. You don't need a central organized office if you have hundreds who are willing to report on eachother, or even hundreds just willing to give someone 'slacking' a hard time now and then.

The open workplace is awful for workers when it gets to be on a level as big as in OP's image. It can make sense for actual startups or smaller teams, but when you get past a certain size, it just becomes oppressive.

>in reality this sort of open office only works when your office is like 10 people max. past that its just stressful backdrops
THIS

That place looks like my definition of hell. Noisy and full of people that JUST HAVE to talk about what they did during the weekend.

Plus, it just looks awful, like an unfinished warehouse.

I can't wait for this "agile" trend to fucking die.

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yeah but that's not the panopticon, that's 1984

that being said, part of the fetish about startup culture is that they're super obsessed about 'playing hard', so nobody will ever give anyone shit about slacking if they get their shit done on time

fastest way to lose actual talent is to have the not-talent lifer employees playing office narc, and the companies that permit this lose their real talent quite quickly

source: left a company that was full of shit tier lifer programmers and managers, company folded under its own weight not too long later

>>cook 3-day old spicy Indian food everyday for lunch at your desk
You say this as if most tech companies aren't already full of poos who do just this.

1984 and Bentham's Panopticon are basically indistiguishable to the person confined in either though - the point (as Foucault clearly laid out in Discipline and Punish) is that the person under possible observation internalizes that and modifies his behavior accordingly. It doesn't matter if the observer is one person or potentially everyone - the potentially-observed's behavior is modified all the same.

In the large open-office context, it requires even less investment and work on the part of the company too.

Anyways, like I said, open offices can work in some circumstances, but at a certain size and point, they are counterproductive. I'll keep my office with a door, thanks!

This is absolutely too open. Sure your team should sit together, but I've found around 5 sq. m per employee, plus a few meter wide corridor is adequate. In OP's room, that would be horizontal rows of 3-4 employees, with a few meters between.

>woman browsing Facebook instead of working
Can't make this shit up.

>startup
>21 visible Aeron Chairs
>Minimum $16,380 in chairs
>who the fuck knows how many more they have

Fantastic use of funding

ewww
saved

but this isn't really the behavior of most of the techies in the office. what actually emerges is more of a caste system where you're either a >10% superstar, someone who pretends to be, or one of the 'rest'

if you're one of those 'star' employees you very obviously dgaf since you can get the same job anywhere within literally 48 hours so you dont care what others have to say, and if your manager knows your output and your revenue generation they will laugh at/fire anyone who reports you, so nobody will ever call you out because they secretly want to have your position

if you pretend to be one of those folks you talk a big game and sometimes you deliver on it and nobody bothers you

if you're one of the 'rest' and everyone knows it you're basically hanging by a thread forever. you dont want to lose your job because you're scared you can't get as good a position somewhere else so you spend all your work time on tiptoes since you're easily replaced by a NCG

so its not really a panopticon because the consequences aren't the same for everyone, it's just an old fashioned caste/popularity system. a shit employee will be on tenterhooks no matter what their office looks like, it doesn't matter if people could in theory report them

No, thats pretty much a panopticon as defined by foucault as power distilled to its ideal.

Its the threat of observation keeping everyone in line.

look its semantics, the phrase you want is 'oppressive workplace'

panopticon to me is specifically bentham's panopticon where one ruler observes everyone else. its just semantics

I'm not sure there ARE any pros. That just looks noisy and stressful.

Honestly I used to think this was great... then I got a job as a developer with my own closed off cubicle. IT WAS GREAT.
No random bothering you with questions.

I had so many great times kicking my feet up onto the table, playing a show, and eating lunch with no one to bother me.

I was also the "star" dev on the team so like said.. I could do what ever I wanted and still be respected by everyone.

Many times people opened my door and caught me watching YouTube... but they were there in the first place because they need my help

This is so stressful to just look at wtf

heh heh heh

>if you're one of those 'star' employees you very obviously dgaf since you can get the same job anywhere within literally 48 hours so you dont care what others have to say, and if your manager knows your output and your revenue generation they will laugh at/fire anyone who reports you, so nobody will ever call you out because they secretly want to have your position
How does that work? How does one get a job so easily? How do you create such a network?

>position of stress

Would I work in a shithole that rather pays for windows and macs than spend on normal and humane working environment? No.

I guess it's supposed to be a server room but then someone decided to make it a sweatshop. Some LSD laden painting and balloons don't hide the fact that it's looks like crap and let me guess it's noisy as hell.

>"hot shit mark, where did you get this gem?"
>"from the windows store"
>"good stuff buddy"

this is why silicon valley needs the nuke

Jesus Christ that looks annoying. All that shit everywhere, the people are probably creating a metric shitton of ambient noise...

if I was into coding I would rather work from home in a comfy environment

this looks stressful everybody watching each other

I'd feel watched and therefore uncomfortable
I like having multiple people in my office where we sit next to each other or opposed to them
That way we can easily discuss everything but no one is looking at your screen unless you ask them to

All I can say is Sup Forums is right about everything and FTGE

>no privacy
>no visible sound proofing
Look awful.

open offices are actually bad for productivity

>nah, it would be more organized if they wanted panopticon

These days that can be done by just remotely checking what each person is doing on the computer and by using cameras. All they need to organize is the system

Or position of "compiling"

Sounds like comfy work banter

Ehh may-
Nope

whats wrong with cubicles or actual offices?
dont normies not care about privacy at workplace at all?

Only issue is the sound proofing, I have almost 3 years experience in such place downtown SF, salary was worth the shit, also many recreation activities. When the shit became too loud I just put ear plugs and focus on the work.

7/10 would work again.

>also many recreation activities

That's just a way for them to pay you less, my Indian friend

masturbate when you get home

>itt kids who never had a job
>think they know shit becausr they followed an hello world tutorial
Sup Forums in a nutshell

120k in SF is decent pay, my nigaroo, also I am german.

In my experience it comes down to coworker behavior and manners. Right now I work in a very loud open environment doing things which often require deep concentration. It works because people don't interrupt me too often or have conversations three feet from my head. The noise becomes a background din.

If I had to point out a particular con it's that I'm forced to suffer the people I don't like, even when I get more interaction with the people I do. I guess it's good for the company to make cliques more difficult. I just feel it's more comfortable for everyone to stick with their homies.

No. I hate people. Everyone knows if you want a job done right you have to do it yourself. These people are just going to get in the way and the forced interaction is just going to get on my nerves.

This teamwork bullshit HR pushes is the biggest fucking meme in the universe.

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hard to have a cheeky wank in the middle of the day 0/5

Just my professional thoughts

i don't think there is a single country in Europe that has such a loose emergency escape legislation that would allow DOGS to work in such a place.

cons:
the black lives matter poster in the center right of the picture
people watching over your shoulder what you do
noise
mostly apple products
probably a shit ton of unrealistic, immature, sjw faggots and feminists

pros:
probably a lot smart people that you can learn a lot from

NOPE

that is not a fucking startup you dumb shit

That is pusheen, do not make fun of pusheen

it's a fucking nightmare

Uhm, wow can you even be more sexist????!!!!!!

She is a Social Media Engineer, she works extremely hard to talk to people on Facebook about our product.

i dont jerk it to doujinshi while working what are you talking about

>black lives matter
>no black people in image

>implying the left actually cares about blacks

>pros: coworkers around to talk to
>cons: coworkers around talking
I have my own office that only a hand full of people have permission to enter (via card-reader at the door). One slow days it can be pretty boring sitting here alone with my 3 chairs but it's the best setting when under high workload. Plus I can fart if I want to, shitpost on japanese image boards, un-/dress to put on my motorcycle gear etc etc..
I wouldn't work in an environment like this for more than a day

If it's "that" kind of start-up, No.
>no privacy, will be constantly interrupted when on a role
>anti-conscientious and laxed attitude about getting the job done
>will have you work overtime and not pay you
>probably hire with a political bias
>will likely attempt to indoctrinate you with "free seminars"
>the office tranny will get you fired if you don't give schler special treatment
>saccharine group-think and elitism
>pretentious tech hipsters and manchildren will quiz you constantly
>"competitive wage"
Speaking from experience. I don't work in playgrounds any more.

anyone interns at FB this summer?

ITT
>autists say working in open offices is terrible cus loud noises and people talking to them

It looks decently bright, which is good.
I'd imagine that it'd be loud as fuck with dozens of people doing pair programming or general chit chat.

yep, happens all the time to me in open floor offices. It can be good too though. Much faster to get answers to small critical questions (stuff like 'were you expecting the parser to handle unicode characters when you wrote it, or is that out of scope for this milestone')

>desk with two iMacs right next to each other

Wtf, nobody's using headphones ?
Do you think they are forbidden ?

Too much sensory input. The picture itself is triggering my autism.

I want to fuck that bitch

I think I see like two people working there. The rest are on facebook or some shit.

Wait, is the whole thing shopped?

I don't think that's the case, this is Facebook's office

I believe it depends on what kind of job, but looks comfy.

im pretty sure it is a facebook office

You need to get out more.

SWIM was

...by being highly competent and gaining a reputation for competence and leadership?

thats sort of asking 'how does someone be smart'

>gaining a reputation for competence and leadership
How?

Pros
>lots of fresh air
>you don't feel alone

Cons
>literally full of homos
>cannot masturbate at work hours without an audience

actually that last one is a pro

...by being obviously good at your job, faster, smarter, more driven, gets work done in a third of the time it would take a less talented dev/eng? helps if you can actually communicate effectively in a team and you arent a basement autistic

if you turnaround work quickly or build interesting things yeah you'll get assigned more work to do but you'll get noticed. as other co workers and managers cycle through to places you'll get good references, and if you're a specialist in a nongeneric field you'll be headhunted aggressively

You misunderstood me. That's fine for being recognized at your current place of work but what I'm wondering his how to get on the radar of other companies.
I mean, this guy can suppsedly quit one day and get another job of same or better pay in a day or two.

How the fuck does that work? Does he have an agent or something? LOL

I'm never going to get a job. This picture fills me with almost uncontrollable rage and disgust.

I bet you a good 10 of them have a heroin habit and are getting blasted in that bathroom

People cycle through companies, user. People spend 3-5 years at a place before moving on, and if you were memorable they will remember you and recommend you.

how do we kill the faceberg

To be specific, im specialized in a narrow field and have many contacts outside my company but in my field since we collaborate regularly. I can leave my job and I would pretty easily get hired by any of them. Likewise I would recommend them for a hire at my firm if they would ask.

If you work for any amount of time and the only people you know are your co workers you're not doing it right