Why are shitty fucking IPS monitors the norm nowadays?

Why are shitty fucking IPS monitors the norm nowadays?
They are a direct downgrade over TN.

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nah, we both know IPS is superior
better color accuracy, better viewing angles

>Set ISO super high

>set exposure time high too

>pretends that is what your eyes see

The pic is obviously exaggerated but IPS has shittier black levels, this is a fact.

Just stick with gayming TN dispays if this bothers you.

Why hasn't oled took off yet

IPS is for normies in well lit office environments where diffuse ambient glare completely overwhelms cell light leakage, and angle-independent color consistency is a better experiential factor than pixel transition times.

VA is for cave dwelling video watchers, and TN is for CSGO-loving Sup Forums children.

No panel type is perfect, so you have to pick your tradeoffs.

Because shitty IPS is cheap.
Get a good IPS, they're actually used by designers etc

>every single monitor has either shit blacks or shit response rates and no one is pushing for something better
just bring CRTs back

>2017
>still not using 1.07 color monitor

I noticed that color accuracy isn't really needed as long as you aren't an artist. My old dell 2707wfp has horrible backlight bleeding nowadays and everything is more orange than it should be. But as soon as i sit there looking at it for ten minutes everything appears like it should again. Strange magic eye fuckery is going here because when i looked at my tablet or phone for a while then the dell has horrible colors for ten minutes the next time i look at it.

Fucking this. I have a couple of HP IPS panels and they look fantastic. Stop buying cheap chink shit and thinking that is the standard for everything else.

VA seems like a good middle ground but I can't find any info about it at all, just a few articles listing horribly overpriced gayming 144hz VA monitors, where are the affordable ones?

is that the one that burns images into the screen like a 2001 plasma shitbrick

Enjoy your sub-30" displays that have near-cubic weight growth with diagonal size and where screen geometry distorts when you rotate the display, etc.

I miss some things about CRTs, but I'll never regret leaving behind flakey geometry, pixel crawl, trinitron damping wire shadows, and slight blur at any resolution.

> still praying for 240 Hz 8k QD-LED to save us all and end these bullshit arguments.

Gaming monitors never use IPS cheap ones are worse than a TN which is faster with 1ms response time.

I'll wait for oleds to become cheaper.

They do in fact make gaming monitors with IPS panels, many of the ROG branded panels are IPS.

How about waiting for OLED that doesn't suffer yellowing and burn-in from horribly deficient blue subpixel half-life?

philips.com.au/c-p/243V5QHABA_75/lcd-monitor-with-smartcontrol-lite/overview
Is this monitor any good? I don't care about the shit like speakers and software but the deep blacks of the MVA panel interest me.
What are some good VA alternatives? I'm having a hard time finding many of them.
Is VA even worth it?

>better viewing angles
I'm the only one that looks at the screen. Why the fuck would I need that?

Fucking RIP SED. Fucking yellow jews fucking up everything.

>set iso high
>not having a tripod
>not exposing to 30 seconds

they won't.

Whats a good laptop that you can ((((GAME)))) on but has a display good enough to do design on?

>microscopic CRT in a flat panel
THAT COULD BE MARVELLOUS.

>tfw have oled tablet/laptop
>tfw enjoy true blacks
The only problem is the dongle situation.

It's a damn patent lawsuit that killed it because Canon was dumb enough not to patent the nano-beams despite working on them since the eighties. I wonder if this technology will ever come back when the patents fall into the public domain...

nobody would invest in a public domain technology
especially if you're an asian company where everybody can copy you in less than a week

ThinkPad X1 Yoga with the OLED option.

They're both shit. Buy VA if you need to buy LCD.

Seems like ips better for close range like laptop. No high end tv's use ips

maybe pic related is reflective of shitty Korea reject panels, but if you buy from a real manufacturer, the very slightly noticeable effect is overshadowed by the far greater color accuracy and depth.

I have a TN panel and the black levels are pathetic compared to CRT, it actively annoys me.
IPS is even worse.

> threadly reminder that SED/FED were never gonna happen due to fundamental materials and manufacturability challenges, and that the patent spat was a smokescreen to keep the possibility of future investor open.
> reminder that any material that can be cheaply etched into micro/nano emitting tips also erodes more easily from stray ions in an imperfect vacuum
> reminder that phosphor molecule diffusion under normal usage ruins even a perfect initial vacuum
> and eroded emitter material causes cascading subpixel death across the entire panel
> tfw SED/FED make OLED look rock solid in comparison

Of course all the companies were yellow Jews, but just not in the way you think.

I have a TN secondary monitor and an IPS main. looks almost identical in terms of blacks, but colors look far more vibrant on the IPS

I guess you just have no standards then, both TN and IPS are terrible.

What would you choose for a monitor then? If you say OLED, we're fucked because they are either super expensive or there's simply no OLED monitors.

VA

why do others not make their ips like apple, keeping them glossy, while still reducing reflections, perfect viewing angles, great black levels. I haven't seen a monitor yet that is even close to my macbook in quality.

Old news, gramps

>muh colors

Do VA panels typically still have a horrible input lag? TN and IPS both seem to manage

To better view your screen at an angle perhaps?

BenQ sells high-end gaming VA monitors so I guess they got it right, I don't know about other brands.

Dell S2440L is p good

Do you have one? How's the ghosting/lag? It's impossible to find any objective info about monitors.

I only notice ghosting when I have something REALLY fast and SUPER high contrast going across the screen, but it's not really that terrible (most of the time I DON'T notice it, and I'm super nitpicky about those kinds of things.) I've never noticed any perceptible lag and my friends can play competitive Smash on it just fine, so take that as you will. The only big negative is it being glossy bc of the glass panel, but as long as there aren't any direct sources of light right behind you it's not too bad. And a big plus for me was it having a 3.5mm output, which is important for me considering the consoles I have going to it thru an HDMI splitter so that can just go straight to my amp.

i hope you can find one for a good price tho, it is discontinued and has been for awhile.

Yes I have one

I'm not telling you about it because you're objectively gay

How about that?

You can literally see the shaking from how high he set the exposure. He couldn't even be bothered to use a tripod.

>direct downgrade over TN.
No. VA is rare and OLED is tood expensive

Because TN's viewing angles are so horrible that once you get to 28" or so, even sitting directly in front of it from a normal desk-based distance results in shifting towards the edges of your vision.

>using an amp

Does Tyrone let you suck him off too after he's done with your wife?

>downgrade over TN.

..i have an amp because the monitor has no volume control

Not every TN panel is equal. Some of them have decent viewing angles, others seem to have none, and you can just pick an angle where colors look the way you want them to.

I've seen a shitty Philips monitor that was like 22 inches which had the problem you described.

>Philips
>Shit

Fuck off mactoddler.

>>>/Reddit/

So that colors don't shift and yiurmonitor won't look like shit at any slightly off angle. Ever notice how colors sometimes don't look "clean" on a TN? That's your eyes each seeing differently shifted colors.

IPS panels can be made vertical without sacrificing clean colors at all. They really are a lot nicer. VA panels don't have quite as high viewing angles as IPS, but still a lot better than TN and better colors than TN.

samefag

Here, I know you wanted it so badly.

>Some of them have decent viewing angles

No, they don't. """""Decent""""" by TN standards is still utter shit compared to the bargain basement of any other panel type. I fell for the "TN is so much better now" meme last year and bought a high end Asus 4K TN screen to try it out, and the viewing angles were still shit. It looked pretty good during gay men, but was insufferable for desktop use and went back.

IPS is garbage too for different reasons (many due to shoddy QC), but it's still far preferable to TN, unless all you do is play gaymes all day. VA might as well not exist, since the only monitors it gets used in these days are ultrawides, and that's a meme too far.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

My MacBook Pro 15 inch touchbar has a perfect screen. None of your shitty ThinkPad light bleed trash. It rusn circles around this trash. My screen is flawless, eat my ass.

just wait for SED technology

>still falling for the crts have good blacks meme

all me

I have a CRT and can tell you the blacks are far better, it does have a lot of other problems though and wouldn't use it over LCD even though I miss the blacks.

>2 seconds exposition time
>HAHAHA THIS IS BLACK ACCORDING TO IPS FAGS xDD

Not our fault you're having trouble enjoying your poorshit TN panel for what it is, stop rationalizing your purchase.

What size was the one you didn't like? My 24" TN is great, 170° vertical and 180° horizontal viewing angles.

i have multiple crts and you're wrong. you are confusing contrast with black levels. just look at that picture. that grey is the darkest black the fw900 can do, and it has a relatively dark shadow mask/anti-glare coating compared to most crts. the shadow mask doesn't just magically become darker when you switch it on you know.

easily fixed if you are willing to sacrifice a little constrast

You have some shit CRTs then because mine has very deep blacks.

no it doesn't. turn the monitor off and look at the screen. that is the deepest black it can produce. like i said, you are confusing contrast with black levels.

oh look at what I found, an actual CRT monitor with actual blacks.
Stop being an idiot now.

>my CRT is garbage so they all are

Kill yourself my good man. :)

but user, i'm not poor enough to not have lighting

the lighting condition you use it in will affect the black levels of the crt. in a normally lit room a crt will usually not have better black levels than an lcd.

post the model number of your crt.

the cheap ass 6 bit ips monitors are shit

but a proper ips monitor is great for anything besides gaymen

>tfw old games are practically unplayable in LCD because the devs were used to monitors having actual black back then

>They are a direct downgrade over TN.
You are either a retard, offspring of siblings, fell from a crib, normie or all of the above

hard to find an affordable one since it is mostly a panel used on gamer shit. Still a good IPS panel beats the shit out of a VA one, it will always have better color reproduction.

everyone fell for the ips is always better meme

>if you light up the room and introduce glare then the difference is not noticeable!

it's not glare. the shadow mask of the crt just becomes visible and you are able to see that it's grey and not black, something that you are obviously unable to do in an unlit room where even white objects will appear black.

Because of OEM's purchasing parts from cheaper manufacturers. The technology is there and readily available, it's just nobody wants to incur the costs because the market is already to saturated to make any profit from higher prices. If you build a perfect 2560x1440p IPS panel and put it into a monitor and sell it for $600 for example, you're going to be losing a lot of potential money. Manufacturers don't look at the costs of manufacturing X for Y amount with potential profits; they instead look at the cost of manufacturing X compared to Z. If Z is cheaper (even if inferior) they will manufacture that instead. A $400 IPS screen will always outsell a $600 IPS screen.

The top is my Dell u3415w ultrameme monitor and it look pretty bad irl when the brightness at about 60%. (the brightness was set to 60% for this picture)

The bottom is my 2016 MemeBook Pro 15 inch touchbar and it looks pretty bright because it's set to 100% 500 nit brightness but honestly it because it's so bight you use it at 75% and it looks near OLED.

I didn't mess with the ISO at all, the MacBook is just so uniform and at typical 75% brightness (because the screen gets too bright) the blacks are so dark they actually fool a lot of people into believing it's an OLED panel.

So you're saying that a light will shine on the shadow mask and... introduce glare.
I'm not even sure why you're trying to argue that CRTs have worse blacks than LCDs, anyone who ever had a CRT can tell you that they have far deeper blacks (in a dark room).
CRTs have a lot of other disadvantages though and there's a good reason why LCDs killed them, nuNostalgia fags are retarded but so are you for being ignorant.

glare would be when light is reflecting of the glass in front of the shadow mask. look at this picture there is no glare on either screen. you are just clearly seeing the actual black levels of each monitor.

>muh picture
>muh monitor

You are the dumbest poster I've encountered on Sup Forums today. Congratulations!

look at this picture there is no glare on either screen. you are just clearly seeing the actual black levels of each monitor.

We could just keep comparing anecdotes forever or you could just stop being an idiot and realize that CRTs have superior blacks and no one argues against this except for you.

The Apple Macbook Pro with Retina Display doesn't have this problem.

>The top is my Dell u3415w
>ultrameme

he fell for memewide

there is no crt that exists with a shadow mask that is darker than the black produced by a good lcd in a normally lit room.

i'm not denying that a crt will have better blacks in a unlit room. this isn't how most people use their monitors though.

Did you really just point out what I already said?

>a monitor with a more reflective surface will have worse glare in a lit room
well no fucking shit, you're still fucking retarded for thinking that CRTs had worse blacks

it's not glare. think of it like a projector. the deepest black it can produce is the colour of the projection screen, which is affected by ambient light. same with a crt. it doesn't actually have good blacks but if you turn the lights off, you can't see how bad the blacks are.

You just found out how CRTs work and want to sound smart but the simple fact is that CRTs have far deeper blacks than LCDs and this is a fact, there's absolutely no question about this.
Stop being retarded now.

>but the simple fact is that CRTs have far deeper blacks than LCDs
sorry but that's simply not true. you just fell for the crts have better blacks meme.

Does any user here have a monitor with Quantum Dot Technology? What's it like in comparison to your old one?

Now you know why macbooks sell so much at that price.
It just works

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Shitty monitors are the "norm" because poverty and frugality are the norm.

Get two Eizo Flexscan EV2780s