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Retro Thinkpad will be garbage edition

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Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable

Recommended original IBM design models:
T60, T61, X60, X61, 860, Transnote, PC110
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
ktgee.net/tpg

New guides by xsauc:
dankpads.com

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
lenovoservicetraining.com/

ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
imgur.com/a/NlepZ

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thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology_(AMT)
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Is 77 degrees celsius a normal temperature for an X220 under ~90% load? I re-pasted the CPU.

Anyone here have the w530?

Is it really too heavy?

>tfw you run your finger around the soft rim trackpoint

Are these good or just a meme

And where do you get one single one?

I won't need a pack of 10 or whatever

Any games run on x60?

What's the recommended battery charge threshold?

T440s master race COMING THROUGH.

>T440s
>not T440p
Fake news!

Most everything made until 2010 will run if you turn the settings down a bit.

>ulv piece of shit
lmao

Daily reminder if you use ANYTHING post X61, T61: YOU ARE NOT USING A THINKPAD

Yes, it's normal. They're made to work under in 100º C.

I own the T420 and I think it's the heaviest thing ever. Still, I'm never satisfied with laptop weights, but mind that the W5x0 is way bigger.

Emulators should run OK.

My laptops are always 95~98% stop. My last battery is running with TLP at 95% and has little no no battery degradation.

Even with the core 2 duo?

Is the core 2 duo as bad as people think?

No laptop under 10 pounds is too heavy for daily carry

best os for x60 and is there anyway to speed it up a bit?

... running for 7 months with TLP...*

Fixed.

Is that what you say when you're trying to pick up a fat chick at a bar?

They're good for mouse movement when typing, word editing and making fine adjustments
You usually can't order just 1, its kinda dumb considering its a plastic nub worth .0001 cents
Might as well grab 10 for 2 bucks and have spares

They feel pretty good and precise.

80% to 95% depending on how much power you need on the go.

Absolutely, mine hits around 85c under 90% load.

C2D is perfectly fine for web browsing and light gaming i.e source games.

So when did Briggs, Cole, and Cooper talk about Judy? I don't remember them really having an opportunity to do that in the original series.

Oh boy 3 AM time to shitpost!

Thanks. Where did you order yours?

wrong tpg pal

Why aren't you anons using an X40?

>no hardware backdoor
>super efficient processor
>best keyboard
>near-retina screen
>10+ hour battery life with wireless, 14 hours with it turned off (with new chink battery)
>no homosex trackpad
>no need to install transexual boot shit
>gigabit ethernet
>tiny and sexy
>proper aspect ratio
>internal roll cage to protect drive (no screen / lid cage but IDGAF)
>actual IBM logo
>no built in camera or mic, stymies CIA niggers
>only $30 or so
>cute docking station and extended battery available
>*yellow* thinklight to preserve night vision
Why don't you own the finest laptop ever made?

Photogenic weekend pic included.

Is it worth it^??

currently owning t420.
thinking about getting second laptop for tinfoil, paranoid, crypto stuff.
should i get x200 and libreboot it, or x220 w/ coreboot and ME remover? thoughts?

>disrespecting the T440s master race
>accusing me of shitposting

You really need to sort your shit out, Juan.

you can't fully trust any of that

only solution is a pre-ME era Thinkpad

Oh... so it is. You guys should really think about changing the initialism here.

I bought a T420 off ebay and it has an HDD with it, it should be arriving Tuesday. Will I be able to put an SSD in it immediately or do I have to get an adaptor or something? All laptop drives are 2.5"but HDDs can be taller sometimes, right? I want to get an optical to HDD adaptor to swap out my DVD drive but I'm concerned the SSD won't fit in the main drive slot. I'd rather not have the SSD in the optical adaptor because occasionally I do want to use a DVD drive for things.

>1366x768

>Retro Thinkpad will be garbage edition
We will read your moanings in 4 years when you can buy a cumstained one.

Debian with XFCE/i3/LXDE is AMAZING on low-specs computers. I was blown away the first time I installed it. Super solid OS.

It'll fit. It's better if you have those little thingys that raise the SSD, you know? Anyhow, they should be free in any computer shop.

This actually caught my eye earlier. I might get this, what do y'all think?

it's even better if you remove systemd

sudo apt-get install sysvinit

sudo reboot

sudo apt-get remove systemd

sudo apt-get autoremove

sudo apt-mark pin systemd

This will remove it from your system and prevent it from installing again as a dependency.

Sorry, but I consider the X200/T400 to be the last of the ThinkPads. I have both X60s and X200

C2D is perfectly fine, I have a P8700 in my X200 and it will handle anything I throw at it

Best thing to speed up the X60 is an SSD, it will fly with one

Because you can't flash libreboot onto an X40

which exactly is pre ME era thinkpad? t60 and older?

>sudo apt-mark pin systemd
sudo apt-mark hold systemd

sorry

Lenovo will probably make it limited edition and only sell 25,000 of them. We already know it's based on the t470, presumably it's ULV.

not worth it at that price
why the fuck are x60's so expensive, is it due to libreboot?

Is there no way to add a second hard drive to the X230 without a thirty dollar extension?

i tried to find decent x60 for fun, but couldnt find anything under 100

Why the FUCK is Sup Forums so autistic about libreboot?

>inb4 muh NSA
>inb4 muh jews
>inb4 muh freedums

>you can't flash libreboot onto an X40
Why would you want to? It has none of the shit libreboot claims to fix.

I don't trust that shit anyway.

Yeah look on Thinkwiki:

thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology_(AMT)

List is a bit old but anything newer than what's listed has it 100%

>why the fuck are x60's so expensive, is it due to libreboot?
They don't need libreboot, that's why they're expensive. They have no CIA nigger backdoors at all.

It's only two or three loose freetards.

Only Pentium stuff

Use the internal MSATA slot for boot/OS and install a 2TB+ HDD in the actual side bay. I've done that on my x230t and it's pretty comfy to have an entire emulator/media/Steam library on the other drive.

WRONG

I just got a mint condition one for £50 :3
...but it's tablet version and I can't get any of the touch shite version on linux

What Thinkpad do you use as your daily driver and why?

according to this, x220 is can also be librebooted (in the near future?)

X40, because I have a powerful desktop and want something super small and light, with a great keyboard.

elaborate?

Should I get the Ultra, Pro, or Basic dock?

Intel didn't want anybody poking into the ME and removed support for their software, then deleted the site.

Shifty.

T60 and X60 are both free of it.

Seriously, why are the price of used macs so inflated? You can get a very decent ThinkPad for very low shekels on eBay with a bit of luck and patience but macs always sell at much higher prices than their actual worth.

People will literally pay 500+ shekels for a 4+ year old macbook air with shitty 1440x900 TN panel and 128GB of non upgradeable SSD.
A Thinkpad of the same age with the same initial cost would sell for 250 tops.

>presumably it's ULV
Why wouldn't a laptop be ULV?

OS X. It Just Werx unlike Linux sometimes, and BSD on a laptop can be a huge pain in the ass. It's the easiest way to get a Unix laptop and they're 'retro' now for millennials.

Oh wow I didn't even know that was an option. Don't know how committed to this Thinkpad I am to drop another $160 on it though.

>Why would you want to? It has none of the shit libreboot claims to fix.
Bwhahahaha, the X40 might not have ME but there could still be back doors lurking in the proprietary BIOS. Can't audit the code, might as well enjoy your botnet faggot.

>I don't trust that shit anyway.
t. CIAnigger

T440p because of the fhd ips screen and being the last thinkpad with upgradeable processor.

>Bwhahahaha, the X40 might not have ME but there could still be back doors lurking in the proprietary BIOS. Can't audit the code, might as well enjoy your botnet faggot.
Extremely doubtful, I've been observing mine for more than a year and snort didn't pick up anything at all so far.

Anyway the secret computer spying laws didn't kick in until 5 years after the USA Patriot Act passed.

T430 with i5-3320M without a battery or hdd for $120, yay or nay?

who t510 here bb

I've been using a T420 since release and it's just been the perfect laptop for me, I have yet to feel the need to buy a new laptop. It's not too big, not too small, feels great, runs great. My T420 has held up perfectly despite over 6 years of use. I bought like bare minimum model back when I first bought it but I was a poor ass student and over the years I've upgraded it incrementally.

Mine currently has an i7-2620M, 16GB ram, 120GB SSD + 500GB HDD, 900p screen (Missed my chance to get the 1080p mod sadly). I've replaced the touchpad sticker once because in college I used to let people use my laptop all the time and it got worn out eventually because they're fucking plebeians with greasy Indian hands and don't know how to use the glorious nipple. Other than that, still pretty good shape.

Once I got my first SSD, my laptop is still super responsive and fast. What exactly do the new laptops offer anyway in performance? Unless you're gaming or shit like, I've never felt like my laptop was underpowered.

p51 full spec

Do all T420 models come with Nvidia graphics?

no but that's a downgrade on the t420 imo

>Anyway the secret computer spying laws didn't kick in until 5 years after the USA Patriot Act passed.
lmfao, you're naive if you actually believe they haven't been backdooring and tapping into all computer networks and hardware since the 1980's

You're not missing much without the 1080p mod. If I remember correctly it didn't work too well and had signal problems on the T420 so yours is pretty much as good as it gets.

Whys that senpai?

battery life I'm assuming?

I never said they weren't, but nice pilpul.

Hardware backdoors built into the computers consumers use were mandated by secret laws after 911.

>barely better than the integrated hd3000
>consumes extra power
>shares heatsink with the cpu increasing the average temps
>removes the option to upgrade to a quad core because of above reason

>tfw your t420 only has an i5 and the shit 720p screen and you're too poor to upgrade

If we're being honest, the performance difference between the i5 mine came with and the i7 I eventually installed: Fucking nonexistent in day to day. The i5 is more than fine, the i7 isn't really worth it unless you're doing super CPU intensive stuff all the time because all it does is make your laptop run a little hotter for normal use. I only did it because it was a "Why not?" sort of thing.

1600x900 is totally worth it though, get on top of that.

Just picked up a cup I thought was fucking empty but wasn't and I practically threw it on my StinkPad. I pulled the battery out as fast as I could and poured 100% isopropyl on it. Once it's evaporated it should be good to go or is there other stuff I should do?

Doesn't switching from the default option ('Optimus') in the BIOS to 'Integrated' disable the NVS4200?

Indeed it does Shinobu but if you do that then it's pointless to pay an extra for the NVS that you aren't going to use.

Yeah but e-peen though.

the gpu is still on
just nothing can use it.

>The i5 is more than fine, the i7 isn't really worth it unless you're doing super CPU intensive stuff
There is no difference between the stock mobile dual core i5s and i7s, those i7s are just i5s with slightly higher clockspeeds.

The difference between the stock dual cores and upgrading to an aftermarket quad core is the real deal.

proofs?

both me and my friend have t430s
mine has the nvs 5400m, his is hd4000 only
we both have 8 gigs of ram and an 850 evo, but he gets about 2 hours better battery life than me with the same battery.

Is the Nvidia card on the t420 even worth it for gaming, seems like a shit gaming experience regardless.

ok but are you guys using the same battery? (his or yours)

If you're really going to game on it (you shouldn't), but if you are then yes, it is worth it. It's not very good but its a lot better than Intel's shit. Also integrated graphics sometimes have compatibility issues with games and Nvidia just doesn't because it's fucking Nvidia. I wouldn't do any serious gaming on it though.

>with the same battery.
and before you ask we left them just sitting idle doing nothing on a base install of windows with it set to not go to sleep

T430's have a lot worse power management when it comes to the Nvidia card than the T420 IIRC. I remember some people complaining about it back in the day. The difference between a T420 with and without it should be small.

someone please sell me a cheap x61

t430 was a clusterfuck of a mess in general, what a piece of shit.

just a reminder that i am still here.

>jojo-pc
That couldn't possibly be a...

>4gb ram
>320gb hdd
>$500
but why

Wasn't the T430 the first one with the new keyboards?

yeah noticed when bought.

as i said a few threads ago, i was desperate. The last 2640 non tablet was sold on ebay and all others were broken and or shit in some other way. Amazon only place online i could find with 2640. It is a soldered cpu after all so i would not consider getting a shit spec one with upgrade intentions. Its so old that you should get it with best hardware atleast the things you cant change. Obviously putting ssd and 16gb in it on arrival along with JAP keyboard.

As far as the T series is concerned, the T420s was the first one and the T430 followed up I think? The first one in general was the X1 I think.

my t420 finally came in. I'm really surprised how snappy this thing is for an i5 with a 5200 rpm drive.

I want more fast though. what's going to be faster, an mSATA ssd or a normal 2.5" ssd?