So this girl joined our dev team about a couple of weeks ago. Was obviously a diversity hire because she kept asking a million basic questions and rarely read the documentation herself. Last week I accidentally lost my shit and angrily snapped her: "I'm busy, read the documentation yourself please for once already!!!"
Now I'm finding out I'm getting called to a meeting by HR for alleged sexual harassment next Monday.
Seriously, how fucked am I?
Encrypt all their important data, copy it somewhere for yourself, then sell it for gorillians of dollars to the competitor. Fuck them.
if that's all you said, then you're fine. hopefully there were witnesses and/or you documented the conversation in some way.
i had a similar situation. i'm assuming you brought this up with your superior so there was some record that their work was substandard. that would give credibility to your claim that you snapped because of an ongoing pattern of poor performance. if the "official record" of that person's first few weeks were pretty much uneventful followed by you snapping at her, then your case gets a lot weaker.
and if that IS the case, don't go asking your colleagues to retroactively complain about her. retconning this stuff won't help - it'll just look like you're trying to frame her up or something.
If there's cameras where you work just ask them to check the feeds. There's literally 0 evidence that you did sexually harass her and there isn't anybody who's gonna back her up on her claims so they have no reason to fire you
and by "brought this up with your superior" i mean in advance of you snapping, and preferably several times over the weeks.
Doesn't matter. Even implied bullying or disrespect can be counted as Sexual harassment these does.
Dumb pig daring to insult a superior QUEEN
YAAASSSS SLAYYYY
Were other co-workers in the vicinity when you made the comment?
You're going to get written up IF others were around, for scolding her in front of others.
There's your heads up.
>copy it somewhere for yourself
if you need authentication this can easily be traced back to you
pray
Use your coworkers computer when they're out for lunch, dingus.
That's melodramatic and hyperbolic. You probably think that because you're too stupid to understand when something's actually sexual harassment, but people without cognitive disabilities are generally safe.
OP, talk to colleagues and ask them if they remember what happened. Don't ask them to cover for you. Don't even hint at it. If just one of your colleagues feels uncomfortable by the tone of your request, they'll go to your boss about it, and your chances of getting out of this will drop to zero.
Just ask them if they remember the conversation, and emphasize that you're just looking to get to the bottom of what happened that day — even if it's not in your favor. Obviously you're just saying this because you know you didn't do anything wrong, but if you publicly emphasize that you want to get to the truth of the matter, and that you're open to admitting you were wrong if you did actually act inappropriately, then any claim *she* has that you're unreasonable will look retarded.
Your priority right now is to present yourself as the extremely rational, thoughtful person here, so that when she says you snapped at her, the kneejerk thought everyone has is "what the fuck did she do to make this cool cucumber snap?"
FUCK TRUMP
FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
This may sound like a crazy idea, but have you considered installing gentoo?
No Hillary
No BLM
No niggers in my ATM
Stay mad wh*te boi
>chileans
>white
haha
OP you shouldn't be getting a "sexual" harassment charge unless you threw the word "bitch" or "cunt" in there. If anything, you would get an anger management class which would send you back after the first class because you admit you snapped.
Make sure you don't get angry about the sexual part, because a lot of times if you are identified as a person that "snaps" the company will try to get you to snap by purposely fucking with you. They get more money, and you get more punishment. Especially if you start breaking shit.
Working at a supermarket, I was told that if a costumer or an employee started breaking stuff, to egg them on so the insurance benefits are better, and they get more time. I am sure this kind of thinking would be up there in management and HR.
>stealing food == stealing AirJordans for Australopithecus
Nigger
there are nobles and niggers of every race.
>microrape
>wh*te
Make her explain what you said to her and let her give her version of the events so you can hear it.
Then ask her what she wanted to ask you when she was disturbing you and use that as an example of why what she is doing is harassment of you.
You need to do your job and having people asking inane questions throughout the day can be stressful.
Now this is all assuming what you said was not worse than what you posted.
If you followed your statement up with a derogatory term, then you are probably out, can't save you there.
Like if you said "I'm busy, read the documentation yourself please for once already!!!! ...bitch!"
And she ran crying out of your office while you gave a high five to the other people in the room, then you have a problem.
HR people are very focused on emotions, so if you see that it becomes a "she was hurt, therefore she is right" kind of situation, then explain how stressed you were and make some excuse so they don't fire you.
And in the future, here is how you deal with people who bother you with too many questions:
Tell them when you meet or when they come to you with the first question they could have answered themselves: "I am a busy person, so you have to learn a lot on your own. You have 5 questions you can ask me every day, use them wisely."
I sometimes skip this when I work with someone who doesn't ask a question, even if they don't know how to do something and then they just get stuck.
Well that isn't sexual harassment so you should be fine persumably.
ITT: Fake news
>I was told that if a costumer or an employee started breaking stuff, to egg them on so the insurance benefits are better, and they get more time.
What?
You should get proof of this and give it to their insurance company for the luls
>nobles
fuck off jew
it's not as simple as the "egging them on" bit, but HR at corporations only exist to cover the company's ass from a legal perspective. they're not really interested in mediating interpersonal disputes or anything like that except insofar as it prevents them from getting lawsuits.
but you're right that if HR can put together a nice comprehensive document monotonically describing one of the parties as the belligerent, then firing that person becomes a lot easier.
in this case, if the "continuously underperforming new technician" — let's call her the "cunt" — if the cunt says you called her something inappropriate, and then you fly off the handle, then HR will be *happy* to fire you, because all of the documented evidence points to you being a train wreck. importantly, they might say something like "nothing [the cunt] could possibly have done would justify your outburst" or whatever. they'll say this because taking more factors into consideration is expensive. corporations have no interest in indulgent investigations into the events surrounding some personal drama. they just want it to go away.
Maybe she just likes you user/
If more gets broken then they get more from the insurance company, as well as that person being there longer for the police to arrive and get them
>chileans
>white
this can't be a serious article
Top cuck right there guys.
Also OP make sure to tell us what happens afterwards
fuck her right in the pussy, user
Nah, he's fucked. See where he couldn't even go two full sentences without calling her a "diversity hire"? His sexism is going to have been obvious to every adult from the start.
Lol
>Tell them when you meet or when they come to you with the first question they could have answered themselves: "I am a busy person, so you have to learn a lot on your own. You have 5 questions you can ask me every day, use them wisely."
>I sometimes skip this when I work with someone who doesn't ask a question, even if they don't know how to do something and then they just get stuck.
I tend to go for a "I'm terribly sorry, I'm a bit under the gun right now. But if I get some time later I'll try and help you out, but no promises. Have you tried asking [insert name of someone who probably knows how to do it as well]?"
Then go back to doing what I was doing, with the odds of me getting some time to help out later being proportional to how likely hey are to keep asking for help. Also making sure to let my manager know that someone has asked me for help, and can I adjust my schedule to take this into account?
I meant more time as in more time in jail.
this is an issue too. If you believe you are superior because you are a man then they'll see it in your eyes and not give a shit about you.
this but it ends up to the individual. People love to fuck with other people and tell each other stories. Whatever happens is usually not taken seriously, but recorded and exaggerated so it'll be more funny when they tell their friends later.
Sounds bullshit unless you americans actually do this. No way in hell a normal person brought this up as sexual harassment. A complaint to the boss for sure and then a report about what happened and how you can work this out in the future.
tldr: itt roleplay
Hello new friend.
This is Sup Forums, aka /r9k/. He's probably been spilling his spaghetti at her since the day she was hired.
lol okay, neet
Women in technology:
Not. Even. Once.
Most of what you read online is hyperbole, my Sup Forumsack friend.
This is probably true though. I can imagine op sobbing yelling c-cunt b-b-bitch fffuck. That's what I'd do but in my own home while showering so I don't feel my own tears.
You in technology:
Once, and they you get pulled into HR.
A glimmer of old Sup Forums
Too butthurt,it's not good for your health.
Seems you're the butthurt one here. You know, making the post where you're butthurt about women in technology.
i've interviewed 50+ undergrads at my university and looked at the applications for 100+ more, and my sense is actually that women are relatively easy to account for *compared to other groups, like indians*, making hiring more consistent.
i can give an example. my university runs a program where people from outside of our university apply to do research here. the expectation is that you have some technical background, so you're asked to self-assess with some questions. attached are two people's applications.
let's ignore for the moment that the application process gives no meaningful way to validate the self-assessment, which makes it almost always garbage. there is something instructive here:
the person on the left evidently thinks that JavaScript, jQuery, and ReactJS are different programming languages; they probably don't have a great handle on computer programming. without much more context, i would second-guess their claim that they have "significant experience". someone with significant experience would just know better.
by contrast, someone confident enough to bring up Lisp and Prolog along with more common languages like C, Java, etc... almost certainly has a very wide view of programming languages. i said before that it's impossible to validate these claims (i.e. does this person know Prolog, or just know that Prolog is a thing), but this weak signal suggests "some experience" is an understatement. it's unlikely that you really only dabble in all of these languages.
ultimately, i would guess that they should have self-assessed as higher than "some experience", especially if the other person lists JS libraries as programming languages and calls their experience "significant".
the thing is, the person on the left was a man, and the person on the right was a woman. and this sort of shit was extremely common. women were awful at self-assessment. so were men, but at least they weren't naively eliminating themselves at the application process.
whoops, forgot the image
contrasting this experience with indian undergrads and masters students that i've interviewed and worked with, and the difference is polar opposite. indians overrate themselves so substantially that it seems i can't trust them at all. they're fine at passing classes, too, but that means that i essentially have to give them tasks in as constrained a format as i can imagine, which isn't how research projects tend to work.
even my advisor was fooled into recommending an indian masters student to me, and feeling the pressure to take on a student i acquiesced, but the following 8 or 9 months were like pulling teeth. i had to point him to every single stackoverflow page explaining how to do what i asked for, or i had to give him keywords to use to google solutions. sometimes he would ask me whether he should do A or B in the design of this system when it clearly didn't matter, and the mix of his timidity and my being too busy for him blocked him for like a week.
the problem with hiring someone who underrates their competence is that they'll turn out to be capable of much more than you expected. you can account for that and give them more work, or ask them to take on more responsibility. the problem of taking on someone who overrates themselves is that they'll begin to block your work, and even as you assign them tasks outside of the critical path, they'll still find ways to waylay you.
Americans definitely do this.
Shit that never happened. Kill yourself, retard.
As someone applying for dev jobs this was pretty key, thanks user
sad to say. this woman just bought herself a promotion at user's expense.
men have to be craftier than woman and jews combined to make it in today's world. It's sad.
this same woman who cries sexual assault probably gets off to free use videos and is fine giving sexual favors if it means she gets ahead.
The only post i made was a response to yours and it was in good faith;i wasn't speaking about you being a roastie in technology,i was worried about your health.
And i still am,considering your reply.
Let me guess, you're american
I've heard a few phony accusations of sexual harassment.
The real desired outcome by your company is for them to avoid a lawsuit by the complainant, so your company is going to do a half-ass investigation.
Did anyone else hear this and can corroborate the words?
If not, it'll be he-said, she-said and nothing really will be done. You or she may get moved, either physically or on other projects based upon your value to the company to avoid this situation again. I highly recommend not mentioning the diversity hire talk, and talk up how busy you were and she barged in on your productivity. Any other external factors that you can attribute, like is your dog or family member sick?
You are pretty fucked, apply for new jobs
for what it's worth, some tips that helped me as i was reading applications:
- i looked at people's transcripts, but i found i was more interested in some recent project that was interesting. if you can point to a github page or at the very least mention a project you worked on that was interesting, that helped me see that the applicant was tangibly capable of developing a thing, rather than just doing a programming assignment.
- if there's a place to mention your interest in the project, product, or company, do it. people knew what my project was about but something like a third of them didn't bother to reference my project at all. it's a stupidly easy way to signal that you're a serious candidate, and it's probably the lowest-hanging fruit there is.
- my interest in your work history has a power law distribution. it's not that my interest in your high school years is absolutely zero, but it's damn close, and i'm really, really interested in the things you're working on right this minute. if your CV/resume has a ton of high school activities, my first thought is "this guy hasn't done anything since then".
never be rude to a bitch or a minority coworker no matter how stupid they are
Record everything
Never be alone in a room with a woman at work
>secretly recording women at work
gem of an idea
>treat them like white people
Pretty good advice, actually.
Audio is usually enough, and not just women, all your interactions, but nice shitpost
Am I the only one who doesn't believe the OP?
yes, secretly record conversations at your workplace. that definitely won't raise more questions when you're accused of something and you jump to your own defense with "my secret audio recordings will exonerate me!"
i certainly think you're the only one who cares. it's a scenario that's not totally unrealistic, so what difference does it make to the rest of us? we would still discuss what one (legally) can and (practically) should do in a case like this.
does it actually matter if somewhere in the world someone is reading this thread for notes to apply when he goes in to work tomorrow? we're all hashing out the pros and cons of various responses here and if we ever find ourselves in an applicable situation, we'll have already played out some scenarios.
don't be such a nitpicky faggot.
Better than Stacy's word against yours man. Make your own choice, but my recommendation is ABR
as long as its legal where you are anyway
if you are a chad you dont have to worry but if you are incel its probably best to be prepared. the world is against you.
there are tons of better options here:
- prefer to discuss things in groups, especially if the conversation is at all contentious (it's better to get consensus anyway)
- if someone's a loose canon, report your concern to HR early and often. paper trails are your friends.
- suggest to your boss that they implement security cameras or something if you're that concerned about it.
taking on the legal exposure of recording people's conversations is like volunteering to your boss that you'll give everyone in the office haircuts to save people money and time. you're just volunteering to get fucked on their behalf, and for no good reason. if you want everyday conversations recorded, push your boss to take that burden on. let them get sued and all that shit.
Just identify as a nonbinary, Black jew and half Arab. Then counter that claim with a report of homophobia and racism.
Chads have a problem coming the other way. If they come on to you and you reject them you can face the fury of a woman scorned (see Sulkowitz and nungesser).
It's also a risk to take into account.
We're fucked either way
don't fuck co-workers. it's not that hard.
I know it's hard to imagine but they can get angry with you for NOT fucking them
Found the white knights
Hiring anyone other than hwite males is cuckoldry.
>E..e...e...everyone with a d...d...ifferent opinion than me is just doing it to get laid!!!!!!!!!!
Grow the fuck up and stop believing your own self-serving propaganda.
then don't bring up hyperbolic examples like that dumb bitch who claimed she got raped. fucking retard.
>Hiring anyone other than hwite males is cuckoldry.
lol okay
>believing your own self-serving propaganda
not believing (and following) your self serving (ideas) is literally cuckoldry.
>lol okay
If you had your own business, would you choose people that work and get shit done, or a bunch of diversity hires who fuck off on the clock and look for reasons to sue you?
>If you had your own business, would you choose people that work and get shit done
yes, this. coming from someone who couldn't even spell "white" correctly, you really shouldn't be screaming shrilly for a meritocracy.
>who couldn't even spell "white" correctly
urbandictionary.com
It wasn't meant to be a hyperbolic example, for two reasons:
It happened, thus it's only extreme, not hyperbolic.
Second, it's meant to illustrate a point and showcase a sort of dynamic. It can happen also without getting involved first.
Try being less assblasted about being a NEET who can't afford a gym membership and look like a chad. Take your pathetic frustration out on your meat, and HR might let you through next time
>urbandictionary
no thanks, niggarino
>It can happen also without getting involved first.
lol okay.
i read as far as the part where she had sex with the guy and then later claimed he raped her.
Don't
fuck
co-workers.
It's
not
that
hard.
I agree you should absolutely not fuck coworkers.
Can you agree it is not a stretch to assume if a rejected sexual partner can file a false rape claim against you, a rejected roastie can file a false sexual harassment claim?
i outlined a bunch of reasonable things that you can do to prevent someone from claiming that against you (avoiding handling contentious conversations 1-1, documenting issues proactively so that fabricated accusations don't seem legitimate, etc...), but at some point the chances of someone filing a completely fictitious sexual harassment claim are pretty much equal coming from a woman OR a man. that is to say, anyone can get hit by lightning even if they're not doing anything particularly interesting.
Is this what working in the west is really like?
>expecting a board full of MRA virgins to be unbiased
I thought I'd get out of this by just refusing to speak to any woman at work except in email. It did not work as apparently that's sexist too.
Nice meme story.
No way shitholes like that exist. Is that typical in 'Murica?
t. buttblasted roastie
>can't tell a man from a woman
No wonder you're a virgin.
As if they don't automatically blame him anyway.
You're either retarded or haven't worked a single day in your miserable life. Probably both.
Kill yourself.
Wow you sound incredibly salty. Whats wrong bucko, can't get laid?