Previous thread: Suggestions for new resources are welcome.
OP message: The pasta will be updated. This branch of /cyb/ or /sec/ will not be demerging as we've seen that it utterly destroys both communities. As such we will no longer affiliate ourselves with either IRC. Thank you for your support and patience.
>pastebin We'll be moving to hastebin next thread. >firefox Give me a better non-meme option? >duckduckgo Fine for now, if you're using anonymization and encryption services already, you honestly wouldn't need to worry that much. If it bothers you, there are other options. You could also (as it says in the OP, make recommendations). >tor Nothing wrong with it. Also, another viable option with as much reach? Yeah, I didn't think so. How about you take unhelped pretentious rubbish and leave. However, if you have constructive criticism (which you obviously don't) you're welcome to voice it and give recommendations (as mentioned in the OP).
Austin Adams
reminder to hack the planet
Jackson Garcia
Hack it hard, as always.
Samuel Gomez
>>firefox >Give me a better non-meme option? how about any fork
Ethan Ramirez
Why not just customise it yourself and be 100% sure you did a good job?
Charles Hall
Why not just make your own operating system?
Blake Ross
you have to be 18 to post here
Joseph Hill
Truly my favorite thread on Sup Forums. It's kind of funny I've been slumming around on /biz/ since cryptocurrency is the closest thing to the post-cyberpunk, overthrowing the corporatocracy future most of us yearn for. But now /cyb/ send to be making a resurgence so here we go!
Yeah, that demerge shit was rubbish. They made a bunch of promises to purify /sec/ but those very same people couldn't even post the odd thread. So fuck them.
Parker Wright
I don't know, maybe if you guys stopped larping and making pdfs and javascript-required websites of a 90s chinese cartoon you might be able to put your brains together and come up with something that improves the situation.
Evan Diaz
is there such thing as a secure cloud?
Jordan Richardson
Whoa, nice strawman. Next time, try and actually make an argument you effete sophist piece of shit. Reminder, you ain't shit and you aren't worth shit. Mommy lied, sorry.
Levi Perez
>cloud >secure no
Luis Mitchell
your own machine, and then maybe if no adversary is seeking to wreck your shit.
Jonathan Turner
I understand that you're upset Tor meme has been blown the fuck out since its inception, but at least you guys have Discord. It has cool dark colors.
Aaron Nguyen
Waterfox. Pretty much firefox but with no Mozilla Telemetry.
Also, startpage has better results than duckduckgo.
John Russell
this. putting your data out in the cloud is entrusting someone else with your security. just keep local backups
Aiden Evans
>cloud is not secure what did he mean by this?
Charles Campbell
>Makes another strawman. >Tries to pass it off as if he's made a more LEGIT argument. No, still a dickwad dilettante.
Ethan Wood
Well, /cyb/? Have we done it? Is Cyber Patriot the best program to introduce America's youth to Cyber Security?
William Brooks
>Discord your post, and now my greentext of this program are the only mentions of it in this whole thread.
Noah Miller
Which is a huge improvement from your last thread. You guys are learning.
Wyatt Reed
that mention from the last thread was a reply, and again, was not characteristic of the thread as a whole.
Ethan Taylor
>competitive cyber security
what the fuck?
Anthony Lee
There we go. These are good recommendations. Thank you for actually understanding the format and which you'll receive a positive reply and possible change. I hope this retard () learns from your example.
Dominic Moore
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Hunter Jones
subversive fashwave and opsec is the true new cool meme for kids
Mason Ramirez
I believe the saying goes "there is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer". would you trust to store your files on someone else's computer?
Jaxon Long
you sound super offended
Benjamin Wood
not cyb friend
James Green
no but that doesn't mean cloud services aren't safer than let's say, a home server
Juan Clark
fashwave is subversive (punk) and its digital and requires opsec to spread it effectively (cyb)
most major media outlets agree with old fashioned cyberpunk political stances already
Kayden Smith
No, you just didn't follow the correct format. You treat others how you wish to treated, idiot. Just because I dislike authority doesn't mean that we all have to act like asocial retards. If you want to do that, that's great. But it doesn't mean that I have to give you respect, or any credence to your opinion. That's pretty simple, friendo.
Kevin Smith
who has access to the "cloud server" vs your home server? local backups are still preferred but if you need online storage then a home server is definitely more secure, unless you can't configure it, in which case, just do your best to encrypt your shit
Logan Sanders
isn't fash the opposite of punk though?
Jaxon Gomez
>reddit spacing I love being right.
>Just because I dislike authority doesn't mean that we all have to act like asocial retards. yeah keep up that larp
Gabriel Sullivan
wew, alright brev. and they agree with them so much that they are consolidating to a few major companies? that is one aspect of old fashioned cyberpunk in a way i suppose.
Samuel Ortiz
There have been periods in history where fash was subversive, especially in eastern Europe. look up the history of punk rock. It depends on who has the power. Right now its the left, so anti left is "punk".
Ethan Miller
>cries r*ddit spacing >posts with r*ddit spacing what did xe mean by this?
Hudson Powell
>reddit spacing What you're doing is actually "Reddit spacing", so that's pretty ironic and telling of nu/g/ faggots. >I love being right. Right about what? You've been either wrong, or just not making an argument anyway. So, nice third strawman, 'tard. >yeah keep up that larp Whoa, much offend. Such argument. Not.
Jack Powell
since fucking when is the left in power? the leftmost you're gonna get in current politics is liberals, and punk has always been a leftist cultural movement closely tied to anarchism (left anarchism) because it had a core message of rebelling against the capitalist system, the governments, and the corporations
William Perez
>left anarchism >classic anarchism
Brody Sanchez
Wow that's a lot of buttpain. I guess you must be a Tor dev or something.
Owen Wright
Is this the true power of Redditards? Thanks for the bumps though, it sure helps.
Jordan Ward
Also, searx,me is pretty good. Can be a bit inconsistent though.
I've been waiting for one of these threads so I could ask about emails (seems like there's been shills on both sides of all threads specifically about emails as of late).
Protonmail has banned a user for some superfluous reasons (don't want to get into the reasons if at all possible, that'll just derail things), are there any good alternatives?
I'd also like to know some more specifics about how encryption with emails work. If an unencrypted email is sent to an account with an encrypted inbox (such as with protonmail), will third parties be able to read the contents of the email while it is transmitted?
Chase Morales
yes, I know, I was attempting to avoid a potential "an"cap
Ayden Ortiz
>leftist anarchism this is a hallucination and a funny joke
Dominic Williams
Glad I could help. While you take the time to calm down try to figure out an alternative to your CIA botnet problem.
Angel Kelly
>politicalshit herewegoagain.png
Ayden Brown
Ancap reporting in. >The freer the market, the freer the people.
Christian Johnson
Hey man. They're the ones that are drawing the lefty line in the sand.
Owen Wright
I knew you didn't understand bumps, you're probably too used to the up vote system. Too bad, I wish you Sup Forumsictims would just leave already.
Hudson Rodriguez
When you can't figure out if what you're doing is a genre of fiction or a career path you have serious problems
Dylan Foster
but they're hacking the planet, man. fuck the corporations and stuff.
Logan Collins
searx.me is slow imo but it seems pretty good.
I personally use protonmail so I'm not going to advocate for or against them
with email, encryption works in the way that (at least with protonmail) the emails are encrypted on the server, meaning that server admins or attackers can't see the content of an email hosted on the server. unfortunately this means that if an email is sent to an unencrypted server or a compromised server (protonmail to gmail, for example) that email can be accessed from the other server. Ideally both parties would encrypt their communications independently of the server, and the server would encrypt the emails in case of a failure. email is generally very insecure in its current state and is best avoided altogether
Henry Clark
Doesn't Protonmail require JavaScript to function?
Asher Price
email encryption is a fucking mess. There's server specific settings about what kinds of connections you can accept but anyone doing any forwarding isn't required to obey those except at that point. An email send in plaintext could go through plaintext servers and then finally be encrypted at the last point. Can't trust email for shit.
Logan Cruz
lefties, in a cyberpunk thread? i for one am shocked. just don't scare the sec faction off i guess, while you try to rewrite the genre into being right-wing. also why i prefer not to even broach that aspect of the genre in this site, since i don't really care when all is said and done
Brayden Fisher
it does, I believe for decryption but I can't remember for sure
Brayden Cruz
Cybersecurity is interesting and amusing, while cyberpunk is entertaining; has a pleasing aesthetic and philosophy.
Juan Ross
Well, that's certainly a security concern.
Dylan Scott
as a bonus, both are extremely relevant to the world we are living in and should be studied to gain a better understanding of our current technological and geopolitical landscape
>not feeling /cyb/ as fuark when you plant a backdoor i assume that's what the real /sec/anons feel when doing that. i wouldn't know though.
Caleb Foster
You can want libertarian freedoms without being partisan. Partisan divide is a PSYOPS spook anyway to divide and conquer.
Henry Jackson
that cleared things up, thanks! I trust their privacy policy for now
Nathan Rogers
Precisely.
William Gonzalez
Well, I'm not using them.
Sebastian Gutierrez
do you know of a good alternative? as of now they seem to be the free non-us based service that offers the most storage, and they have decent service
Henry Wood
cyberpunk (and punk) mastered the idea of rebelling against the government. This has a lot to do with the era in which they were born, when many especially soviet countries oppressed the movement, speech, and welfare of a lot of people. However, it struggles to recognize private sector oppression properly. The image a lot of people mistakenly have is of a big faceless mega-corporation raping the land and valuing money over all else.
The reality is a complex of government and private institutions that have a blinding umbrella over society. This trickles down to things that seem innocent at first. For example, cyberpunk might easily see the lie when the MSM reports on international war. But what if it is faced with things that are harder to see due to political blindness: such as the politics and errors therein of official climate change data. OR the systematic oppression of right-leaning educators in higher institutions of learning. Its hard to see the oppression when it looks like "progress".
Lincoln Howard
yeah there are some shared values in the venn-diagram, better to focus on those for these threads' sake at least.
Anthony Davis
As always cloud services aren't as secure as competent self-implementation.
Caleb Gomez
Agreed.
Austin King
if I had the money, I'd have a server too. Even so, it still doesn't solve the problem of every mail getting sent directly to spam for the recipient
Parker Collins
Thanks for the info. What about ISPs and other potential middlemen? Is it just the sender and recipient (and their email servers) one has to worry about, or are there other parties involved in the transmission of emails from sending server to receiving server?
About JS, anyone know if tutanota or cock.li require JS?
Also, what should I be using instead of email?|
Joseph Perry
>Also, what should I be using instead of email?| one-time pads, spooks will never get your shit that way
Gavin Turner
>ISPs For now you have to live with them, since they have the infrastructure. The best you can do is us a VPN. And if you torrent, throttle your mbps/sec or randomize it somehow so your ISP has a harder time figuring out what you're doing.
cock.li doesn't require a web client but you are in charge of your own security. Tutanota is a lot like protonmail, where it is really only useful as webmail.
Remember that full opsec is a dream. At least on modern hardware, which now have uninstallable botnets. You could go full retroware until a the day a libreprocessor comes out.
Leo Richardson
>potential middlemen anyone from the nsa to the guy standing behind you. your ISP can't see who you're sending an email to or what you're sending, they do see that you're sending and receiving packets to/from a mail server, and some attacks (mitm) can intercept those packets, but I'm unsure of the amount of info contained in them and I doubt the contain the content of the email. also if your email provider uses https or an other secure connection, mitm attacks are a lot less efficient since the packets are encrypted.
William Garcia
what do you think of the newfound way to disable the IME? I haven't heard from the libreboot team yet
Nathan White
Playing 3.1415926535897932 dimension chess.
Ryan Sanders
>retroware
I'm working on that actually. Probably a pipedream but I've got an ancient ThinkPad with a Pentium 3 processor. I'm trying to figure out if I can get coreboot on it. It seems like the Northbridge and Southbridge are supported, and I've run into some problems/haven't had enough time to figure out how to use SuperIOTool.
So, for most purposes, https should be adequate. Good to know.
Dylan Morgan
cock.li requires js if you want to access your mail through a browser. You can make an account and set it up in a mail client without ever allowing js though.
Tyler Gonzalez
how important is single-core performance? if one were to build a cluster computers using only older hardware, it would be possible to have decent performance, granted the load is balanced properly, right? I'm thinking of maybe doing this to avoid IME/PSP
Mason Watson
this or an open source communication app with audited encryption. decentralized or p2p if you're insanely paranoid and your friends are too
Henry Nguyen
One time pads are a toy solution in crypto. You literally have to exchange as many bits as your message f or them to work, as if key exchange wasn't enough of a nightmare already. I don't think you guys know what you're talking about.
Jose Turner
it was mostly a joke, sorry you missed it.
Blake Mitchell
see
Luke Nguyen
The UK recently passed a 'Snoopers Charter' which parliament said was just allowing authorities to work with ISPs for targeted surveillance to tackle cybercrime and terrorism.
Since the law was passed in Nov 2016 I've noticed that peerblock lists connections to different government departments depending on keywords. If you go to theonion.com peerblocks blocks the ministry of agriculture and food because of the word 'onion'. A bunch of other keywords trigger connections to different departments like tax & revenue, the national health service etc that have nothing to do with national security.
Even the way news articles critical of the bill were describing it was that they were just forcing ISPs to retain all users history so they could use it for targeted surveillance, but that doesn't explain the keywords.
So what are they actually doing? Someone on leddit who works for the welfare department says they spy on benefit claimants so if they're claiming disability for a bad back and they're paying for skydiving lessons they can take them to court.
So you can deduce that they're using this bill to spy on every single aspect of people's lives. The details of the bill show that fairly low-ranking individuals in these departments can spy on you. How the fuck can they sell this as a counter-terrorism measure when it's literally a stasi scheme to collect any kind of dirt on citizens?
People say if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide - but lets say GCHQ catch an MP doing something illegal and instead of charging them they can use it to blackmail them to affect policy.
How the fuck does this pass?
Connor Watson
>How the fuck does this pass? Remember, user. Cyberpunk is now.
Wyatt Morgan
this security theater against terrorism has been a godsend for the state. don't see what has to give to reverse it.
Luis Reed
Its a country where you can get arrested for making a tweet. I am not surprised at all. If you ever need a reminder that the UK is not the US, just look at free speech law.
Also we're not far behind either. The more we are okay with censorship because its "the nazis" the more power we play a part in ruining the internet.
Dominic Peterson
are the europeans not up yet? someone tell them they have to keep it alive now.
>overthrowing the corporatocracy future most of us yearn for. But now /cyb/ send to be making a resurgence s Uhh
Have you even been paying attention?
The banks and wall st are fucking us.
JP Morgan committing what is an actual felony in the stocks world; spreading FUD in the media, causing an artificial crash then scooping 20,000 bitcoins?
Yeah, were really fucking free, and were really sticking it to the man with our digital monies that the powers that be can manipulate with ZERO repercussions. With a few words and their overwhelming funds, we've been driven out of the market. It's theirs. We lost.
Remember, we chose this by wanting it decentralised and unregulated.
