Will you Nvidia, Intel and AMD turds ever actually admit that ARM will overcome all current mainstream PC architectures?
All companies are investing the money you are giving them from making stupid products like renamed overclocked CPUs and GPUs into making ARM SoCs that outscore most of the older computers and even some pretty recent supercomputers.
What's your excuse on failing to understand x86 is deprecated?
Well I'm studying up on ARM embedded stuff in my free time because I want to become an engineer in that area, so yeah I know that.
That's the point, most of the shills on this board will immediately turn down ARM when "seeking for performance" on any given occasion.
x86 will exist at the high end for quite some time. EPYC alone gives x86 competition with ARM on raw core count and thus another five years added to its reign. I can't wait to see ARMv8.2 backdoorless servers and laptops so I can lower my personal energy budget a bit.
>backdoorless
>2017
indeed
what's preventing anyone from making ARM chips that run at x86 expected TDPs?
What would a 150 watt 212 EVO cooled ARM chip be like?
>virtualization meme
>JVM and VMware
why tho
It's a gradual scale up process. Apple only this year came up with an ARM chip capable of threatening Intel laptop parts.
>not searching the term TDP
>being on this board
Pollack's Rule states that CPU design complexity increases quadratically with performance, and ARM cores haven't really been scratching the surface of shit that x86, Power, etc. designs have been doing for over a decade.
ARM in theory could catch up, but someone would have to really, really want to invest the resources to cover that last bit of ground, and given the expected R&D costs of doing that, they'd have to be really fucking confident that they could take a huge slice out of the server/desktop market.
A big chunk of that money, on developing sub-20nm fabs, has already been spent. Now it's a question of circuit layout.
I am the mass of normies and their bosses.
I dictate that x86 will live on, as i dictate that win32 lives on, and there is nothing you can do about it.
No itanium, no windows that can't run executables, no ARM.
Nvidia fag here.. Umm we have already embraced it
>ARM
>backdoorless
Why are ARM shills always this cringe-inducingly naive to think that any "desktop" grade solution isn't going to come straight out of a big-name OEM that will undoubtedly design their own proprietary SoCs or choose a similarly proprietary design ridden with remote management extensions and proprietary firmware?
Nah man Motorola.NEC and Hitachi cpu's are the future
There's no tangible demand for a mass-market "desktop class" ARM chip that won't deliver anything x86 chips don't already.
I don't really see where this perspective is coming from, ARM started life as a decently competitive desktop architecture that like many other RISCs found more success in embedded systems, not unlike MIPS or PowerPC.
I just don't think anything is physically stopping anyone from designing a high-end member of any of those architectures, there's just no interest in such a thing from anyone but customers with special demands that are already designing their own proprietary solutions (i.e. Fujitsu) and contrarians in the backwaters of the internet with no real disposable income to justifiably throw at a higher-priced, less compatible niche product anyway.
>just as locked down and backdoored as x86 is with intel me/amd pst
No thanks.
Is it a near future or a far one?
There's your problem.
Until ARM catches up to the current CPUs and GPUs performance, it'll still continue being fucking trash.
ARM processors are even more locked down and botneted, at least x86 has UEFI and Libreboot, ARM processors are encrypted to the bootloader and you're at the mercy of the vendor for updates.
Isn't Tegra arm though?
It's even fucking worse than x86.
Only the future of the low end PC.
High end is ruled by Intel & AMD
>Apple only this year came up with an ARM chip capable of threatening Intel laptop parts.
??????????????
That list just proved his point.
>hd video runs at 17fps in native media player
>reaaally smooooth
scheme to make ppl throw money at a downgrade again
What point? A11 is weak shit compared to i7
Unless you're targeting laptops and mobile phones, POWER >> ARM.
He said laptop parts.
It outperforms every single laptop i7 on that list.
It only gets outperformed by Desktop CPUs.
>It outperforms every single laptop i7 on that list.
There aren't any laptop i7s on that list.
you're a retard. A laptop can use every single cpu on that list
A11 competely crush the snapdragon 835. Will they ever allow their A11 for other mobile?
Jesus Christ, just stop posting.
I know, but now you’re comparing a Xbox hueg laptop with multiple coolers that probably throttles when you run Blobby Volley to a fucking fanless phone.
Look at the picture again. The only i7s on that list have 90W+ TDP.
ITT: People thinking geekbench is a valid benchmark
>the 835 in my mobile telephone is better than his windows cpu
I'll try to keep a mobile x86 with me as long as Microsoft keeps their ARM windows "always connected"
>Xbox hueg laptop
no
A x86 smartphone exist??
Jesus H Christ I had no idea the A11 was so goddamn insane. What the fuck...
It's mostlygeekbench being both a shitty benchmark and heavily ARM biased.
MS is so desperate to keep windows relevant it's not even funny any more.
>ut now you’re comparing a Xbox hueg laptop with multiple coolers that probably throttles when you run Blobby Volley to a fucking fanless phone.
amazon.com
>Will you Nvidia, Intel and AMD turds ever actually admit that ARM will overcome all current mainstream PC architectures?
Let's hear the advantages of ARM over X86/64. You wouldn't want people that all you have is misplaced brand loyalty, right? Surely you have gathered facts to justify your position.
I hate you. I hate you and all the other stupid fucks who come in here with their brand favoritism bullshit and try to force them on others, out of some kind of retard compulsion. Your loyalty is justified by nothing whatsoever other than probably ownership of some device or affinity for some logo.
Fuck you, do the world a favour and kill yourself. You're white noise on the internet.
Windows on arm is a thing since 2011 but failed because of no x86 software for arm. Apple want to put their MAC on arm too.
>wanting more money is desperate
lmao, good thing that you don't run a company.
>Let's hear the advantages of ARM over X86/64.
It's cheaper :^) that's it.
The point of windows on arm is to have cheap windows laptop (regular, 2 in 1 like surface)
holy shit it's faster than my i7500u
too bad that the app store restrictions and shit form factor make the power of the chip a moot point
Come back when you have a boot procedure.
For it to be cheaper it would need to be comparable.
Reminder Intel wants to sue Qualcomm and Microsoft because of x86 emulation.
7700HQ you stupid faggot
It's cheaper at the cost of basically all of your consumer freedom. With x86 you can easily install gnu/linux or whatever OS you feel like. With ARM the boot procedure is not standardized with each vendor having their own. So you're stuck on windows, android, or chromeOS until linux devs get it sorted out.
And now you posted a laptop with a CPU that isn’t even on the list, keep amusing me.
Btw that thing is still at least 10 times bigger than an iPhone and needs cooling.
>It's cheaper :^)
Not really. Before they were discontinued intel atoms were dirt cheap and more powerful than arm chip in that price class.
the mobile i5s, especially ultrabook ones are just overpriced and stagnant because there's been no competition for 5+ years.
By mobile I just meant I carry a laptop. I fucking wish
There are a bunch of Intel Atom x86 Android phones.
Talos II will be out later this year and blow away both ARM and x86, and it's backdoorless
Don’t say that until it’s released. You‘ll just make yourself feel bad.
But that's a high end workstation. Even if the price can go down with economies of scale, POWER is not an arch suitable for low power stuff.
So???
It's a laptop and stronger
Holy fuck, you're either retarded or just baiting.
Didn't intel drop atom?
Yup. The Atom phones came out like 2 years ago and were no success, I doubt there are any recent ones.
Check other asus rog it has thag
Where are i8 and i9s?
Oy Vey!
>geekbench
Trashman.jpg
Prove it
is this a reference to that power rangers shit show? are you a kid or a manchild?
t. apple user
>disprove this
That's not how burden of proof works.
But I can absolutely go on a long rant about the things wrong in geekbench.
i'm texting from android right now
>arm is the future
>lags in video playback
>a11
>lag
Lel
>video playback lags in op video
>a11 hurr durr
>What's your excuse on failing to understand x86 is deprecated?
Arm is a chaotic shitfest.
It lags because of Windows still not being perfectly optimized for ARM.
Geekbench recently hid the details from the iphone benchmarks. Trying to prevent analysis much?
Does anyone have a screenshot?
Why optimize it when there are no apps(tm) for arm+windows?
Are you pretending to be retarded?
>A11
>muh benchmarks
Some people can't grow out this meme.
...
x86 is already part RISC. Some complex instructions are already executed in hardware via microcode. RISC processors were intended for low memory devices, but nowadays with plentiful or RAM using a simple and thus possibly heavily optimized architecture such as RISC is IMO a way to go.
But of course as always Intel has way to much dominance in desktop area.
It would be nice if AMD could come up with a PoC RISC desktop processor.
Only low end
I don't care that much about performance. If it's usable for the task at hand, I just want my RISC V.
Where