General: >If your build isn't completely Poverty-tier, consider an SSD. Consider buying a large SSD for the price of an HDD + SSD, and saving 50$ next paycheck to buy an HDD >If your build needs Wifi, you will need a Wireless Network Adapter. General rule of thumb is more than 2 antennas
If you want help: >Remember, we're not here to build a PC for you, we're here to help you >View this handy guide on picking parts logicalincrements.com/ >Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >If your part list needs a monitor, be sure to include information like response time, refresh rate, and resolution >State the budget & currency for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaymen, Video Editing, VM Work >Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit) youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
CPUs: No i5's unless discounted >A8-9600 (APU) - Poverty-tier builds (At this point, if it's for gaymen, you should just buy an Optiplex and put a GPU in) >R3 1200 - Budget builds (~500) >R3 1300x - Gap between 1200 & Ryzen 5, consider a 1400 if you need multithreading >R5 1600 - Best bang for your buck with gaymen & mixed uses, 1600x if you don't like overclocking >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use, not just for gaymen
GPUs: Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up, using an old GPU / waiting to build may be a good idea right now. >1050 TI - 1080p 60hz at low / medium settings (Anything below this, if it's for gaymen, you should just buy an Optiplex and put a better GPU in) >RX 580 - 1080p 60hz at high / ultra settings, supports Freesync >1060 6GB - 1080p 60hz at high/ ultra settings, supports G-Sync >1070 - 1080p 144hz at high / ultra settings, or 1440p 60hz at high / ultra settings >1080 TI - 1440p 144hz at high / ultra settings, or 4k 60hz at high / ultra settings
RAM: >Check your Mobo's QVL before buying RAM >Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200(+) MHz is ideal
>provides 7700k@5ghz like performance what like stuttering, its my favorite intel feature?
Hunter Carter
> being this retarded
Infinity fabric is causing nothing but issues
Ryzen has segment faults so you can't use it for anything but games and video encoding.
Zachary Taylor
Coffee Lake will probably be the last Intel CPU worth buying until 2021. Cannonlake is getting skipped over by OEM's because of delays, and Icelake will be 10nm to Ryzen 2's 7nm, and Ryzen 2 should theoretically cathc up to Intel in clockspeed. Intel will HAVE to lower Icelake prices because it won't have any significant advantage.
Hunter Sanders
Infinity fabric is causing nothing but 32 cores with 99.9% scaling and cheap 8 cores, you need to stop posting brian
Oliver Cox
I ran prime95 for two days with no errors tho
David Jones
Stop being retarded. Ryzen has to deal with spikes on a single thread to 100% plus the cross-CCX latency. No CPU is perfect and I'm a Ryzen owner before you accuse me of being a shill.
Alexander James
>Intel CPU >worth buying what?
Ayden Miller
What stuttering? Not even my old i5 stutters and it's like 100% slower than the flagship i7 7700k
Anthony Carter
> being this retarded and that much of a shill > You have no idea how wrong you are
Noah Stewart
>muh segfault SHILL TRIPFAGGOT DETECTED POINT AND LAUGH
Joseph Price
Wow intel really has cut its marketing budget recently
Seg faults have been fixed since week 25 of prodution, which you can RMA your cpu if you are in fact affected by the issue. Hell, the seg fault issue wasn't even an issue on ALL Ryzen cpus from weeks 1-24. hothardware.com/news/amd-confirms-rare-ryzen-smt-bug-and-fix
Infinity fabric is causing nothing more than the destruction of Moore's law, which was on the brink of death anyways.
>He doesn't know how wrong he is.
Get faster ram.
Christian Rivera
>sub $300 >6 cores >unlocked lol
Adrian Watson
DONT SHITTALK DADDY MOORE HES A GOOD MERCHANT STOP SLANDERING HIM DIRTY GOYIM IM CALLING THE ADL
Landon Brooks
I have 1600 mhz ddr3 but I don't see the requirement for faster ram as my performance is smooth as it is. Also I've tired ocing my ram before and even going from 1600 to 1866 with my corsair vengeance ddr3 causes black screens after a while so I just leave it at 1600 mhz
Lincoln Robinson
Andrew grove is a dirty jew and i was very thankful when he died last year
Jonathan Rivera
2 jews down one to go, but i want moore to watch AMD, nvidia, and qualcomm set his company on fire before he dies
Brandon Watson
What are you talking about? How does make me in any way affiliated to Intel?
>muh bingbus Ringbus is obsolete, moar coars is the future and so is hyperscaling. AMD is always right in the end.
Ayden Brown
Im going to use threadripper to go on a nigger killing spree
Brayden Watson
Intel's existence proves that hitler did nothing wrong
Blake Hill
When did i say you don't need 4 cores? I'd say 4 cores is the budget sweet spot right now. You can get 2500k's for like 60 bucks and they'll be more than enough for 9/10 games paired with something like a gtx 1060. Same goes for the ryzen 1200 but it's more expensive and slightly slower than the 2500k even when OC to 4ghz and 4.5ghz respectively.
>pcpartpicker.com/list/4vbR7h 1080 is garbage price/performance. it's only a little better than a 1070. This is why it's not on the OP
Gabriel Reed
Wow, AMD is hiring some really racist shills. Not like you're superior, Pajeet.
Owen Davis
Fixed for the correct ram, since 1080p high refresh is the target, 1070 is fine, so used that price difference for a 240GB ssd. pcpartpicker.com/list/g6qrNN
You may be saving money, which is fine. Just keep in mind you'\re buying into a dead / dated platform with limited options for upgrades.
I was more concerned with the memory than the gpu, but when he said he wanted 1080p, figured Id take the liberty to swap the 1080 for a 1070 + ssd.
Carson Sanchez
I decided not to go to the hospital because I wanted to show off my RAM overclock
Michael Jenkins
Hmm, after disabling two cores AND hyperthreading on my 6 core Ryzen to simulate an i5, playing CS:GO unlocked never stuttered or or even maxed out my CPU. This is with a million Firefox tabs open simultaneously. Maybe Chromecucks have issues but 64 Firefox is very easy on even low clock quad cores. In fact it was pretty smooth. I guess I learned that you can get a mostly consistent 1440p.240fps on a Ryzen 3 if anyone was interested. (pic is in 1080p to fit Sup Forums file limits)
Caleb Ortiz
Actually the 1070 is pointless now because prices are still inflated for mining. You can pay $450 for 1070 on Newegg, or $500-550 for a 1080. The 1070 isn't worth $450.
Sebastian Taylor
>Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $162.88 $162.88 OutletPC >G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $173.99 FREE $173.99 Newegg Literally why?
Kayden Stewart
does that cooler come with the am4 bracket?
John Cruz
>memory type: unknown
Adrian Evans
>Hyper 212 >2017
Y'all niggas need to stop this shit. This shit was good in like 2014. The Cryorig H7 is better nowdays at the same price.
Christopher King
it's not my RAM's fault that Speccy is shit
Nathaniel Peterson
Because that LPX kit uses junk Hynix memory ICs and may or may not work at full speed after some manual fiddling with it. The trident Z kit is samsung b-die, and will work without issue. mega.nz/#!CIMSgAJR!a400IgIm7_Ak4RCg5-iQ43MR2hG7TNWQhT3ZT8wiSLs Here's a spreadsheet explaining this stuff, as well as listing a good portion of memory kits based on speed, cas latency, sku number, and the known memory IC / configuration.
I could have picked a ddr4-3000 kit that would also be better than that 3200 kit, then used the price difference for a better cooler, but I assume he doesn't want to overclock and deal with all that shit if he's buying a 1600x.
It's actually slightly more expensive, not by much, but if you don't want to OC on the 1600x the 212 evo is fine, hell, could have just got the be quiet true spirit slim and saved some change.
Nice memory.
Colton Brooks
>t. Cryoshill If you can't spend the cash on a NH-D15 or Dark Rock Pro 3. the 212 is fine.
Connor Murphy
Is 1440p a meme? Should one consider it over 1080p? Or is it better to wait for volta and jump straight to 4k?
Oliver Campbell
Just wait two GPU generations. That's when we'll get 144hz 4K monitors and GPUs that will be the same price as current 1440p 144hz monitors and GPUs.
Blake Taylor
Well it's the highest resolution you can play at 165hz while also being sharper than 1080p. 4k 120hz+ monitors aren't even available yet, and I think the Asus one that's supposed to be coming out that using daisy chained DP is speculated at $1200.
Luis Carter
where the fuck do you get a full version of windows 10 from
Tyler Foster
Microsoft's website
Dominic Gutierrez
>1080 is garbage price/performance Not really, considering all gfx cards are over priced. At its perf level, it's one of the better price/perf
The OP is retarded anyway
i5 2500K is poor purchase because of the power efficiency, old socket, and DDR3. Better to get the 1200 on AM4 if you're buying now. Perf difference between the two is minimal.
GTX 1080 is overkill for 1080p. Any game that you want running at 120FPS can be easily run at that framerate with a cheaper graphics card (CSGO, R6:S, Overwatch, etc). Games like PUBG aren't going to hit near that framerate no matter the gfx card you have
>Icelake will be 10nm to Ryzen 2's 7nm Node numbers are just marketing BS
1440p is a good choice for monitor sizes and viewing distances and the midrange GPU power required to run them
Easton Nguyen
buy an OEM key from someone on the internet for 20 bucks
Ayden Adams
Is this a meme or real?
Jose Anderson
>G.SKILL FlareX for AMD Ryzen AMD 16GB [2x8GB 3200MHz DDR4 CL 14-14-14 DIMM] Is this worth the price? I heard timings matter for ryzen as much as frequency and it's even advertised as ryzen compatible.
Austin Bennett
>oem
naa
Adam Gomez
Scythe fuma is damn near just as good as either of those coolers and costs 40% less.
zisworks.com/ Eh, it's DIY and fairly expensive, but it's 4k 120hz.
Try searching "media creation tool" Also this You'll probably have to call up microsoft and get them to activate it for you, but it'll be an activated copy.
>Node numbers are marketing BS Yep, for a good long while physical gates were smaller than the rated node size, but with the introduction of finfets, the physical gate is significantly larger than the advertised node size.
Just buy the cheapest 3200 CL14 kit you can get. There are a handful of 3200 CL15, and one 3200 CL16 kit that are known to use b-die. But the geil evo x 3200 kit is unavailable. Pictured is a list of well known and confirmed b-die its.
Juan Allen
Any 3200c14 will work the same. If you can find different sticks 3200c14, but cheaper, buy them.
Easton Stewart
Whats the best nvme SSD out there to get? I'm only looking for a boot drive, 250gb max
Jordan Morris
Ah this is probably the cheapest cl14 I can get anyway. There are not that many of them available out here.
Jordan Lee
nvme benefits are lost on boot drives
Dominic Turner
Intel's existence proves that Hitler did everything wrong.
Jayden Bennett
So I understand when installing Dual Channel RAM that you put it in paired slots, 1-3 or 2-4, but any particular reason why it was previously recommended (pic related) to prioritize 2-4? I was I just getting messed with
Nathaniel Rogers
just for spacing with big heatsinks
Alexander Thomas
kthx, that was bugging me
Nicholas Bailey
Where do you live, user? Pcpartpicker will allow you to filter by speed, size, latency, etc.
Don't know any technical reason. But I know all AM4 boards, and I think even intel boards recommend 2-4 for a 2 stick configuration. Is a good reason.
Austin King
There is no pcpartpicker for my country and even if I could find something a bit cheaper it's not really worth the time shipping from germany or uk when I can get it next day if I order here.
Noah Rogers
*The* best that comes in 250GB? Samsung 960 EVO. Otherwise, even the cheapest NVMe will be more than fast enough.
James Hernandez
Pic-related is the PC that I've spent four weeks planning to build. I started off with a 1050ti but eventually decided that it would be wiser to go with a 1060 3gb since it's only $50 more expensive for a 50% performance boost.
There's a deal going on over at my local best buy on a pr*built with similar specs. Considering that Amazon's free shipping will take a week, and my MOBO won't ship for a week or two, should I just go with the pr*built?
Pre-built's specs >Ryzen 5 1400 >RX 580 4GB >1TB HDD >8GB DDR4 RAM >Includes windows, I can't afford a good OEM drive right now so I was going to run Linux on my planned build
Adam Taylor
Best AM4 B350 m-atx board for Ryzen 1700 OC?
My case is m-atx, so an atx won't fit.
Ian Young
I was about to say that we don't know what's the ram in prebuilt, but then noticed you're using shit cheap ram anyway.
Adam Phillips
Is the prebuilt the same price? That RX580 is better than the 1060.
Dylan Clark
I should also mention that I just received a freesync monitor from my g*rlfriend for my birthday too.
Lucas Martin
How does the R3 1200 stack against the FX8350? Which is the better buy? My friend is selling his 8350 build to me for $550. That's the amount I could buy a R3 system.
Chase Bailey
>no SSD >single, slow RAM stick
Don't even bother thinking about shitdozer.
Brody Sanchez
How is that ram cheap? Not only is it by Ballistix, it also has a speed of 2400/mhz, which I've read is good enough for Ryzen (This speed is also compatible with that MOBO). I just can't afford 3000/3200mh/z right now.
Owen Lee
Yeah, I forgot to mention that the pr*built costs $700 before tax.
I already have an SSD laying around.
Anthony Sanders
Bazooka
Josiah Allen
>it also has a speed of 2400/mhz, which I've read is good enough for Ryzen It's not. The minimum you should get is 2666MHz.
Colton Miller
Ok so after watching Logical Increments' PC building vid, after I have Windows installed is there a particular order to update BIOS and Drivers? Like Windows Update>MoBo BIOS>Graphics Drivers
Charles Morales
AMD to GO!
Caleb Wilson
But yeah, what do you guys think? Good deal or no? Seems like I'm getting fucked over regarding ram anyhow since """good""" ram is so expensive these days.
Austin Flores
Always update from the lowest level acces to the highest. So it will be Mobo bios -> cpu chipset (if applicable) -> windows updates -> gpu drivers.
Zachary Allen
How is Zotac as a graphics card vendor?
Hunter Price
pretty decent. Get one with 2 fans though, minimum.
Robert Bennett
Fair enough. I too sometimes pay more for something out of convenience.
Eh, at the lower capacity range, the MydigitalSSD BPX tends to shit on the 960 evo's. And not just price:perf.
I'd just go with the prebuilt, to be honest.
Asrock ab350m Pro4, Asus Prime B350m-A, GIgabyte GA-Ab350m-gaming 3
The 1200 will shit all over the 8350. Don't take it from me, though. Take it from technigger. youtu.be/azX4Qs7n2_Q
user, there's a reason even the A320 boards support memory overclocking. If you look around, often you can find faster ram for the same price as the slower stuff.
I think they're good, but have never owned any of their stuff personally. Friends have had good experiences, though.
Ian Wood
Where can I find a good, but cheap SSD? I only need it for OS with Win 10, so I shouldn't need more than 60, right?
Parker Perez
Anything I should consider having set up ahead of time? Like MoBo Bios on a dongle, or should I just dl and run everything on the PC when it's built?
Adrian Richardson
as long as they're not fucking you with an a320 motherboard i'd say go for the prebuilt. If it has an a320, don't buy it. You won't get the joy of building though and can't pick your parts so it might look like shit though since it'll probably be in a gaudy gamers case and a non modular psu. I'd say since it has an RX580 which is better than the 1060 anyways and you already have a freesync monitor it's worth it. This is assuming it's like ~750 after tax.
Easton Robinson
Only thing keeping me from buying an RX Vega today is noise concerns. Can anybody vouch for the noise levels being unacceptable?
John Price
>Like MoBo Bios on a dongle
Yes, do that above all else. Depending on which board you have you might even be able to update the bios without a cpu installed (typically only really high end boards support this).
Bentley Bennett
If you're worried about noise don't buy a blower cooler.
Ryder Rodriguez
at minimum, get 120 or 240 GB. It's more space for the money. Sandisk makes a great 120 GB for around $50-60 called the SSD Plus. Otherwise, spring for 240 gb.
Elijah Scott
They run pretty hot compared to GTX cards, the noise levels are naturally going to be higher. Best bet would be an aftermarket cooler like an aio or custom loop and using your own fans.
Nathaniel Moore
If you live in the states, just use pcpartpicker and get a cheap 120GB. If not, look on aliexpress / gearbest / amazon / whereever and get the best price you can on a kingdian. 64GB is technically enough, but you're going to have to constantly monitor your OS drive and keep it clean. Plus the price difference between a 64GB and a 120GB are negligible at best.
Don't buy a reference card unless you plan on putting an aftermarket cooler on it. Otherwise wait for AIB models to release.
Luke Rivera
Fucking miners, will the prices ever get better? I picked the wrong time to decide to upgrade my GPU.
Hunter Clark
Polaris cards are starting to come down in price. Give it about a month> The miners have all their attention on Vega.
Gavin Long
>He missed 580 for 105 pounds I'm gonna laugh at you all who missed that deal.
Brandon Cruz
Any recommendations for a good WiFi adapter that can pick up 5GHz bands?
