What the fuck happened to lectures?

When I was a student, nobody (and I mean nobody) brought a computer to lectures. You wanted notes? Paper and pen/pencil.

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When were you a student, exactly?

depends on the class user. my cs professor actually REQUIRED students to have a laptop for class exercises, etc

the fuck you need a laptop for a med degree class? no wonder they constantly let people die, bunch of retards

>watching louis rossman the class
Mah nigga

I hate the sight of paper piling up on my table

Four years ago.

This must be a burgerstani thing

Everyone uses handouts here in the UK

It has been scientifically proven that students who use a laptop during lectured perform far worse on exams.

Some teachers have started to ban laptops for this reason.
But most feel it's up to the students own responsibility.

muh nigga

[citation needed]

In Dutch bet here: nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/2194882-met-je-laptop-in-de-collegezaal-dan-haal-je-lagere-cijfers.html

mah nigga

>nos.nl
Ik geloof niet in propaganda

Ok gramps

Be grateful they aren't on their phones

It's doubly strange, since the lecture notes are all online, so you barely need to write anything at all.

In my day people had arguments too.

In your time, college was actually worth it, since knowledge was scare. Now college is a joke so people treat it like a joke, hence the computers

No need to buy paper
No way to run out of paper
No problems with poor handwriting
I, at least, type faster than I can write
No ink bleed
No pens

More than half of those students are watching videos or browsing imgur instead of paying attention to the lecture.

I see three people with the same slide on their laptop as on the projector, but there could be more that you can't make out the screens of.

Writing is more conducive to memory than typing is.

Which would be fine if they didn't whine like little bitches when they finish college and nobody wants to hire them.

In my classes we have desktops and just pull up lecture notes that are also being displayed by a projector onto the wall in front of us.

Then I use a pen and paper to write down the most important notes, which are usually things the teacher says which are not actually on any slides.

They say that but I don't find that's true, especially if you have crappy handwriting like I do and have to make a tradeoff between speed and legibility, where keeping up means being unreadable.

>They say that but I don't find that's true, especially if you have crappy handwriting like I do
What? Crappy handwriting has nothing to do with it. It's the simple act of taking what you hear and writing it that makes it more conducive to retaining the memory.

>have to make a tradeoff between speed and legibility, where keeping up means being unreadable.
If you can't even read your own handwriting then you're a lost cause.

He might be a doctor.

doctors only have bad writing cause they actually took notes on paper back in college and had to take them really fast, so even more points to this guy

Sorry you had to go to school in the 70's grandpa. Now we have wonderful things to do calculations for us.

back in my day we called them mexicans

I use mine in calc 1 , fucking murricans forcing me to take their shitty high school tier math . I knew limits and derivatives 2 years ago for fuck's sake.

i have a five year memory of the things i've typed on irc

>he thinks there is magic in the act of moving a pencil to create glyphs rather than pressing keys to create the same glyphs

lmao

It’s a memory palace thing. Handwritten notes are traditionally easier to layout in a unique pattern that your mind can more readily envision. Typed notes can work just as well, but it’s a good idea to experiment with how you organize the data.

A tablet with a stylus combines the best of both worlds.

Doctors don't have bad handwriting.
Most people just can't read Latin.

Suck it up and deal with it champ. Get on your knees and thank God you were even allowed to attend a superior American school.

>have to make a tradeoff between speed and legibility, where keeping up means being unreadable.

You should be very brief when you take notes.
Writing/typing out everything you hear is counterproductive.

All I know is:
>Paying for my own goddamn 'education'
>Go to class
>Teachers reading stuff from powerpoint/books
>Stumble upon a problem, don't really expand on it just give us an answer
>"It is so because the book/author say it is so."
>"It's also gonna be on the test."
>This goes on for the whole semester
I started missing classes, started wondering why the fuck I was paying for that kind of "education".
Started spending my time after work coding on my own and doing research which I was interested in with the many resources I found. I did land a job in my field, I did have to put in the extra effort, and it was worth it.

Fuck this college ideology people have nowadays. I know not every place is like this, there are some good teachers out there. But just the mentality that to become educated should be this way it's ridiculous.

This.

>I, at least, type faster than I can write
So can I but two caveats. One, writing by hand seems to cement shit in my brain more firmly (as ). perhaps due to the pressure to rephrase and condense it on the fly due to my slightly slower writing speed, but idk. Two, that speed advantage goes away whenever I need to use mathematical notation, want to draw a diagram, etc. That's all possible on a computer, but faster longhand.

well you rapidly get used to your own chickenscratch. My writing would be considered sloppy by a doctor with a prescription pad, but only I need to be able to read it.

>perhaps due to the pressure to rephrase and condense it on the fly due to my slightly slower writing speed, but idk.

That is indeed the case.

>literally 3 people paying attention
TEACHING MILLENIALS IS HARD

I'm fairly sure the screens were photoshopped.

>go to bad college
>professors are bad hence bad college
>surprised professors don't give a shit and just go by book

All my professors are great people who worked in their field for decades and can answer any question to completion step by step in many ways and then use that question to illustrate another concept

Sorry you didn't pick a good one though user. But don't blame all colleges.

But that's an aside rant , I agree that there are some really low standards for professors. Too many people pick professor because they're inept or lazy.

Also
There's nothing wrong with bringing a laptop. It's about what works best for the individual. There's no reason to shit on someone because their system is different of at the end of the day you both pass.
You're hatred of the young is unfounded in this instance .

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teaching millennials is hard if you want all of them to learn your material. If you're willing to let most of them flunk then its easy.

Problem is most colleges are unwilling to do that, at least not to the extent needed, because they'd lose too many paying butts in seats.

what do you want from me OP? im too poor to afford a pencil and notebook so I use the laptop my college let's me borrow

Not for me at least. I think you get the most benefit memory wise from paraphrasing and such as rephrashing stuff for your notes runs it through your head, so as long as you don't type verbatim it should still help. Also it's nice to have notes that are actually legible later on (I have shit handwriting).

my ethics prof banned laptops, and a bunch of students complained to the department head

things were going well until the prof revealed that she had found multiple people watching porn during lectures, somewhat amusingly during a lecture on self-restraint that was meant to segue into asceticism next lecture

Are your exams done on computers too? Mine were all handwritten, illegible handwriting meant you failed.

Depends on the class. You're not going to have an easy time taking notes with a laptop in any STEM classes.

Retards aren't even following anyways.

>tfw I bring a tablet and stylus to lectures so I can hand-write notes (better for ingesting information) but get the benefits of having the PDFs to hand

I am a Senior in a University known for Engineering (in the College of Engineering myself). Few people use their laptops in class unless necessary. Almost all lectures notes are also posted online, so most just listen to the professor, unless it's one of the ancient professors who are using 20 year old projector slides he keeps loose in a folder or a mathematics lecture where you need to jot down what's on the board before it gets erased and written over. I know one person who has a Surface and likes to take notes on it, flat like a notebook.
I took a few CS courses, and the professor in both started the class by telling everyone to put their laptops away (most of the professors I've had in Engineering will let you fuck around with your computer to your own detriment so long as you're not disturbing the class or there is not a guest lecturer).
This term I took a freshman course from another college (for easy A), and to my surprise, nearly everyone immediately opened their laptops. It was surreal.

>I know not every place is like this, there are some good teachers out there.
Really, my biggest problem is that something like education /must/ be and also /is better/ when paid for. To me it's the biggest scam in history. I just can never agree with it.

The real problem is Millennials rather have an easy ride in college than lean something.

Customer gets what she wants.

I really regretted taking notes on my laptop in my first year, they just didn't stay in my head as well and I never really read them again. Hand-scrawled notes on printed/tablet PDFs do me so much better.

>I am a Senior in a University known for Engineering
Is that capitalization really correct?

I saw that too late but I agree and apologize for ribbing your school
You're a lovely person

No, I had originally written my university and the college out, but forgot to undo the capitalization when I edited it.

"X University, College of Engineering"

DeVry and ITT Tech have great teachers for shit schools.

Also I capitalized senior because that's just a thing I do subconsciously. I know it's wrong.

It's a proper Noun.

Most millennials, like most people in general, don't really care about learning, and actually actively dislike it. They're in college because they want a white-collar job with good pay and no heavy lifting. They need a piece of paper so that the hiring manager or automated screening software will give them an interview.

You can bitch and moan, like many academics do, that university shouldn't be just for job qualifications. But if you feel that way yell at employers, not students.

I know that for your cs courses you'll have a laptop anyway, but taking notes with pen and paper helps you memorize it.
npr.org/2016/04/17/474525392/attention-students-put-your-laptops-away

Some are done on computers, some on paper. When doing a test on paper I slow down and make sure my writing is legible, it's just I can't write that slow taking notes so my handwritten notes are useless for future reference.

I have been to similar lectures
I wish you were right but you are very likely wrong

I'm an employer myself (I have a software company).

Experience is a lot more important than a degree.
In the end skill is what matters and in my experience no degree is proof of any skill whatsoever.

I don't understand how people browse random shit on imgur for a length of time. Someone explain this pls.

and most millennials, again like most people in general, have no initiative to go off and do some project on their own, and again actively dislike doing so. University substitutes for this by providing a structured environment where you get assigned tasks rather than thinking them up and completing them on your own initiative.

Remember they don't really care about your business needs, they care about whether or not they can convince you to give them a paycheck.

t. millennial

at my college you have to use computers the school provides in the class and the professor can see everyone's screen through a program to make sure you aren't slacking off or watching porn

>scientists have proven something but I have this anecdote
neat

He's clearly saying that his handwriting is so shit that his notes come out poorly, thus he must type them out if he wants to have usable notes.

lectures are fucking useless now.

i didnt even bother showing up unless it was an exam or quiz.

>the professor can see everyone's screen through a program
huge invasion of privacy desu

>tfw millennial just after a paycheck right now :(
I really enjoy going off and completing a project on my own, but I had to be entirely self-motivated to do so. Most of my university classmates would do the assignment with the least amount of work, a handful of us would try and go above and beyond but we were well aware that it was at the cost of some social time.
That said, had a webdev job recently where I was shot down and eventually fired because I came up with innovative solutions to make higher up members of staff more redundant. Some companies just want people to come in and be told what to do and stick to it.

mine only does this during exams, for the classes I take. there's noticeable effect/artifact when the monitoring is on.

>Based students not letting their Marxist professor brainwash them
I see nothing wrong with pic related

>Some companies just want people to come in and be told what to do and stick to it.
Sometimes they don't want to be told they're wasting their money or are wrong about something.

Could be worse, my friend's university wouldn't let you connect your own laptop to the university wifi unless you downloaded what was essentially spyware onto your machine.

>watching porn in class
How stupid and shameless are students nowadays?

And if either of you actually bothered to read the studies instead of assuming your arbitrarily chosen method you're used to were correct, you'd know that many of the benefits are from having to process the information to rephrase in shorter terms rather than mindlessly copy.
Hell, I never re-read my notes in college, I'd consult the book or office hours. I'm not even a luddite, I take notes on a tablet because paper is fucking annoying.

Principal-agent problem. Maybe it'd be better for you and better for the company if you automated the job of someone above you, but it wouldn't be better for that someone. Managers as a rule are mostly useless but hate being shown up, because they're afraid people will cotton on to them being useless and fire them. Hence all the office politics and power-tripping.

this desu

ipad pro masterrace

>take tablet to lectures
>it gets stolen

>take paper to lectures
>

>it gets stolen

Everybody had laptops in 2010 when I started Uni.

One guy even whipped out a fullsize tripod to record the lectures on cam

In my case I showed how I could have replaced half of an older guy's manual data entry job with some relatively simple web scripting. Turned out they kept him on for 'tax reasons', whatever that means and didn't know what else to get him to do so they just accused me of wasting my time at work and eventually fired me as I didn't know coldfusion back to front.
Yeah, learned that the hard way. It wasn't like I was trying to get rid of the guy, I just assumed they'd see it as something to replace the task with long term and they'd gradually transition him to something else. I don't regret it, I didn't see myself there long term or anything, but it just feels like that it's things like that that must hold thousands of companies back.

So much comfy
Also for sticking videos in pip while I'm working.

> (OP)
>>watching louis rossman the class
>Mah nigga
HOLY SHIT LOL he's learning micro soldering for when his degree becomes useless

powerpoint ruined education, just my own opinion

teachers don't teach anymore, they "present"

the best teachers will write notes as they go along, either in chalk or with the projector and a marker.
I've only had one professor professors do slides effectively, and interestingly he was using the textbook's slides (database class), instead of making his own.

Pic related

I use a stylus and a touchscreen

Where's your god now?

>going to such a shithole of a university that someone will steal you shit
kekking at your life
try getting into a private university sometime

It only gets worse

You probably messed with some shareholder/higher up's friend or relative.
Lots of people learn the hard way that they shouldn't give a shit about the company unless they got some one up high to back them up, you just clash with office politics and people who don't want their status quo bothered by some low hanging fruit.

The truth is millennials are unusually ill-equipped for education and have so little initiative its hard to imagine what some of you do when someone isn't literally ordering you around. Its kind of getting creepy how little cultural products millennials have created. No writing, no art, no music that isn't the same as music 10-15 years ago, no new movements in film, they even wear the same clothes people were wearing 15-20 years ago. Millennials don't disappoint me, they creep me out.

I stopped bringing my laptop and coffee flask to lectures after I felt increasingly self conscious about doing the same thing as the rest of the class.

Powerpoint tends to be a mandated thing user.
Do you think anyone likes sitting around trying to make it do thing and then uploading it here than and everywhere so people too lazy to come and sit in a seat and listen can find it.

Its strange to say but universities think 18 year olds who have never been away from home before are the experts on the delivery of higher education and professors must do whatever they tell them.

what university?

Not that guy but sometimes they just make the slides really shitty and lacking to punish students or just cause they're lazy.
I've aced every class where i've had the professor take notes with a marker thanks to him pointing out the really relevant stuff and going into detail on that stuff while the classes with slides were absolute garbage with some lazy boomer just presenting shitty slides and trying to finish early so he could leave.
It also really shows the vocation a professor has for teaching, if he's actually not a lazy nigger he won't use the slides unless he really needs to.