/pcbg/ PC Building General - Brazil Edition

General:
>If your build isn't completely Poverty-tier, consider an SSD. Consider buying a large SSD for the price of an HDD + SSD, and saving 50$ to buy an HDD
>If your build needs Wifi, you will need a Wireless Network Adapter. General rule of thumb is more than 2 antennas. 2.4ghz or 5.
>Windows 7 with RYZEN setup tips
pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help:
>Remember, we're not here to build a PC for you, we're here to help you
>View this handy guide on picking parts (MSRP)
logicalincrements.com/
>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>If your part list needs a monitor, include information like response time, refresh rate, and resolution
>State the budget & currency for your build
>List your uses, e.g. Gaymen, Video Editing, etc
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on other channels)
youtube.com/watch?v=VhdV2wv3jQs

CPUs:
No i5's unless discounted
>A8-9600 (APU) - Poverty-tier builds (At this point, if it's for gaymen, you should just buy an Optiplex and put a GPU in)
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (~500)
>R3 1300x - Gap between 1200 & Ryzen 5, consider a 1400 if you need multithreading
>R5 1600 - Best bang for your buck with gaymen & mixed uses, 1600x if you don't like overclocking
>R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy multi-tasking & mixed uses, not just for gaymen

GPUs:
Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up, using an old GPU or waiting to build may be a good idea right now.
>1050 TI - 1080p 60hz at low/medium settings
>RX 580 - 1080p 60hz at high/ultra settings, supports Freesync
>1060 6GB - 1080p 60hz at high/ultra settings, supports G-Sync
>1070/Vega 56 - 1080p 144hz at high/ultra settings, or 1440p 60hz at high/ultra settings
>1080 TI - 1440p 144hz at high/ultra settings, or 4k 60hz at high/ultra settings

RAM:
RAM costs so much because newer phones use DDR4 memory.
>Check your Mobo's QVL
>Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200MHz is ideal

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/BRhq_-7mYOM
uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ytPX4C
logicalincrements.com/monitors
amazon.it/Phobya-4Pin-PWM-Splitter-pin/dp/B015FKMIAY/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1507300272&sr=8-7&keywords=fan hub pwm
cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz&id=1049
google.co.za/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/circuitbreaker/2016/7/11/12153360/corsair-ml-series-fan-pc-cooling-magnetic-levitation
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Given an infinite budget, what is the absolute best monitor on the market today?

pcpartpicker.com/user/Herplooza/saved/KpsqsY

Meh... Alil under budget don't you think

some 10bit color dell monitor

>it's another shill thread

After a bios update my rams refuse to run on 3200 and the mobos software is fucked up giving me the wrong speed numbers, what am I supposed to do here?

I'm really confused about PWM fans.

Is their plus just power efficiency?
because I can still regulate the speed of a 3pin fan from my bios, so....

Also if I were to get a fan hub, because my shitty mobo has just 1 chassis fan header, can I control it through the bios, and by that control all fans, or do I need one that has like a switch on, with low/high mode?

>dual channel
1064 x 2 =????

you're another shill thread

2168, thank me later user

downgrade the bios?

PWM fans adjust their speed automatically based on how hot your component is. While non PWM fans just stay at a constant speed.

is a geforce gtx 1080 worth buying, or should i invest into a gtx 1080 ti?

I'm pretty sure the main advantage of PWM is finer/more standardised speed control. With a PWM hub you can control several 4 pin fans with a single header, I'm not so sure about 3 pin hubs or splitters though.

how do I do that?

Yah got me.
Check compatibility of motherboard and bios. I'm retarded as evident by my last post but hope it helps

They're both criminally priced to begin with. Don't fund those nvidia Jews and the world will become a better placr

PWM stays at the same voltage. 3 pins are regulated by dropping voltage.
They're smoother, and you can run them at very low speeds, while 3 pin fans would stall at low speeds.

yes I forgot to mention that the hub would be pwm.
would I be able to hook 3 pin fans to a pwm hub and have them change speed all the same right?

1080 and 1080Ti are the only GPU's actually selling close to MSRP..

Not in that case though, those hubs change the speed with a PWM signal instead of voltage. You'll need 4-pin fans to make use of a PWM hub.
If you're set on using 3-pin there's simple dial and switch based fan controllers out there too.

I got a GTX 1080 anons

I want a gaming 144 Hz monitor, 1080p. Budget is 407 USD / 350 EUR.

Any suggestions?

Msrp was always criminal!
But I'm not your mother. But if you really think you need all that power go for it. You can always buy something from the 900 series or 800 series and it'll be fine. You don't need all that power to achieve 300fps when all you need is 60. Only people with expensive monitor's and all that other unnecessary shit buy 1080s. If your a hardcore gamer with 30/30 vision and 0.0001 twitch reflexes go for it. But all these normalized people buying these overpowered hardware are just falling for marketing saying you need the best. Its the difference between a buggatti you get to drive once a week or a Porsche you can drive everyday. Totally unnecessary
youtu.be/BRhq_-7mYOM
I advice watching this if your serious about this and want to understand better what I mean. He's also got a follow up video

BenQ XL2411, there's letters on the end for re-releases, I have a Z but a friend has a regular, honestly can't tell the difference

Im thinking of getting a tv tuner for when I build a PC, as I want it to also function as a lightweight home theater. Is Hauppauge a good brand?

im looking to buy 500 gb ssd, what do i look for when picking one?
what is a good read and write speed for an ssd?

uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ytPX4C

Can I get a motherboard recommendation for this build? I am really struggling to find something that doesn't share the bandwidth with the m2 and regular ssd's
Any other critiques and variants would be appreciated too

>I am really struggling to find something that doesn't share the bandwidth with the m2 and regular ssd's
Pretty sure you can't do that on Z270 due to the lack of PCI-E resources on the CPU itself. You might have to go for Ryzen if you want that which I'd recommend in most cases anyway.

It's true that they're recent business practices show they're intentionally keeping the GPUs incrementally better every generation now over the doubled performance you would have every year previously, and witholding their fullsized GPUs for 6 months so they can get more shekels. Of course when ATI is starting housefires and sucking miners dicks, I can't blame them for not trying. Wait for GTX 1070 Ti regardless.

What games do you play on it? Have you tried Overwatch on it?

Doesn't the 7700k still have better performance than a ryzen though, can i go up to z370 in that case?

I've played OW on it yeah, currently RO2, TF2

what's the point of 4 ram slots on ryzen motherboards? ryzen doesn't support quad channel

Is there any screen tearing with Overwatch on 144 Hz? Is the lack of G-Sync or Freesync a problem?

shiet
my case (400c) has no drive bays on the front, so no controller
also I dont want dials and shit, I want to go from the bios

so, IF I want to controll all my fans from the bios, my only option is to get pwm fans and a pwm hub, correct?

That's right. It kinda sucks if you don't want to spend extra on fans but it's your best option.

I have a decade old computer with an AsRock P35 Wi-Fi motherboard. Which CPU would be best on it?
Current setup:

"700W" no brand chink power supply
Asrock P35 Wi-Fi motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 OCed to 2.8Ghz
4GB 800 RAM
4870 512MB GPU

Threadripper?

logicalincrements.com/monitors

What you're saying makes no sense. M.2 and SATA are connectors. Don't get M.2 and NVME confused. NVME is a protocol which uses PCIE lanes. There are no SATA NVME drives, so there's no way your SATA SSDs will interfere with m.2 NVMe SSD performance. Kaby Lake and Skylake both have 16 PCIE lanes I think. Unless you have an SLI set up, I don't see one m.2 NVME drive having issues. Regardless why are you getting them? You get similar performance putting 2-3 SATA SSDs in raid 0 for cheaper. Are you that short on space that you can't use 3.5" HDDs?

Jesus grandpa...
I think the new shit requires a new motherboard

No, but you need to use motion blur reduction to prevent ghosting, the downside it's not as bright (light) but you can use a third party tool to restore the brightness if you want

Don't know too much about m2's to be quite honest with you, are you saying I need to change the "m2" ssd?
>Are you that short on space that you can't use 3.5" HDDs?
I hate HDD's, too noisy

144Hz games is the only real advantage the 7700K has over Ryzen, which seems to be what you're going for. Coffee Lake CPUs won't be readily available for a few months yet and I think Z370 still shares SATA and NVME bandwidth.
If you really don't want your NVME bandwidth shared you could always either wait for Ryzen refresh or buy into Ryzen now and upgrade to Zen refresh/Zen 2 for the higher clock speeds.
If you want unshared NVME on intel you have to go Skylake X which runs like a furnace and gets worse max frames than the 7700K anyway.

the fuck is wrong with his head?

yeah, fuck me.

oh well I guess I'll get the bequiet pwm 140s, they cost 16, and they seem ok quality
still need to settle on a hub, would this be fine? amazon.it/Phobya-4Pin-PWM-Splitter-pin/dp/B015FKMIAY/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1507300272&sr=8-7&keywords=fan hub pwm
it's my best option right now, the only "better" ones on amazon would cost 30 bucks from thermaltake or phanteks

I was waiting a long time for a 6 core or more CPU but with jacked up prices/out of stock GPUs, RAM and SSDs I can't build a new PC now. Maybe in 2019.

You're right, NVME and SATA are different standards, but they both have to connect to the CPU somehow through its limited PCI-E bandwidth. I could be wrong but last i heard you can't run am NVME drive at max speed without eating into bandwidth for other peripherals on Z270.
I might need to go find a block diagram to remind myself how it all works.

Just use Vsync.

That board is past the point of upgrading. Nehalem/LGA1366/X58 is the absolute oldest board generation I would consider keeping. That PSU has to be at least a decade old, I wouldn't trust it.

So you can use multiple sticks per channel obviously. Many people might want to reuse smaller sticks. Threadripper has an entirely different socket and chipset.

The 1080Ti is total overkill for 1080p@144Hz. Get a better monitor, cheaper SSDs, and cheaper CPU & mobo combo like an R5 or new i5.

>The 1080Ti is total overkill for 1080p@144Hz
It's supposed to be, the point is highest framerate possible

I replaced the PSU 3 years ago. Wouldn't a Q9550 do fine?

SATA has completely separate communication with the CPU from PCIE devices. NVME uses PCIE lanes. Only in weird cases like X299 boards where they disable some SATA ports to populate all the m.2 slots does that become an issue. On Z270 you have 16 pcie lanes. 8 of those would be for your gpu and the other 8 are free for NICs and NVME SSDs.

Get a R5 1600 then grandpa.

Get some reading comprehension.

Here's the difference. Its just shape and how they are connected to the mobo. I forgot why, but I heard m.2 is better for some minor significance but I forgot what

Then you need a 240Hz+ monitor! The 1070 gets 1080p@144Hz in everything.

It's still outperformed by decade old i5s. You're better off getting any used quadcore & mobo.
cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz&id=1049

NVME and SATA have separate connections to the chipset itself yes, as do things like USB and ethernet and PCI-E connections. But ALL of that has to go through the chipset to the CPU via a single x4 link (DMI 3.0). This is where the problem is. In theory a x4 NVME can push enough bandwidth to start bottlenecking your other devices' communications with the CPU.
Graphics are on a separate x16 link entirely that goes straight to the CPU, so it doesnt get impacted by this.

By contrast AM4 uses a separate x4 link dedicated to m.2 drives specifically to avoid the issue of it eating into the resources of other peripherals.

hey anons, what do you think about the 1070Ti? I'm not planning on getting one, just want to discuss a little

Don't be mean. Or it'll happen to you
Yeah things are fucked. I'm also trying to upgrade my 5 year old pc. Just wait... They won't all drop at the same time so I think you should by parts when they're reasonable. CPUs will be getting cheaper though. And it looks like GPUs prices are slowly dropping, considering this once they get more GPUs out of production GPUs will somewhat normalize but its highly unlikely they'll drop near mrsp for 2 years max

That diagram clearly shows that PCIE devices do not go through the DMI 3.0 connection.

So 4 rams is usable on a ryzen?

They aren't disabled but it's dual channel.

>The 1070 gets 1080p@144Hz in everything

That's just an outright lie though.

>Intel Rapid Storage Technology for PCI Express storage
That's the m.2 port though, the PCI-E lanes at the top left are for the main graphics card slots.

Its gonna %5 faster at most than the 1070. They're trying to trick people into buying it. The 1080 is like 10% than the 1070. What do you think they're gonna do? There's nothing much to work with. Its a cash grab bru

So.... Is it worth it getting say 4 x 2gb for 8gb? Or whatever scaled up?

What's that pic mean?

but who's dumb enough to buy it?

You need absurd anti-aliasing for that though. If you take Ashes of the Singularity and Witcher 3 w/HairWorks and extremely poorly optimized titles like Unity then yes. Still these are not even titles where high frame rate is noticeable past 75 fps. I think you should invest in a higher resolution monitor if those are the titles you're interested in and possibly a cheaper GPU. The GTX 1070 will still get over 60 fps at 1440p. Though the GTX 1070 Ti is coming out soon which may make the 1070 irrelevant or significantly cheaper.

If it's cheaper and you don't plan on adding more sticks later then sure. Performance differences are negligible.

If it retails for the same price why not wait a couple weeks for it?

My computer is *really* loud. The case fans sound like a plane about to take off.

I think that the issue is two 140 fans on top, as the others are Corsairs and from very brief, very unscientific testing, don't seem as loud.

What's the quietest fan that pushes the most air? Is it still Noctua's offerings? I'm interested in both 120s and 140s.

modded xeons from aliexpress

Do you want high CFM or high SP? Noctuas are pretty good either way, but there are also those new fancy Maglev fans.

Nvidiots. I don't know. I think nvidia is just testing the waters abit to see just how much they can try and milk their mindless hoard of GPU junkies. Its been proven in the past that they'll even buy an inferior product just because its green and has nvidia written on it.
There GPUs do look pretty slick though

Maglev?!
google.co.za/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/circuitbreaker/2016/7/11/12153360/corsair-ml-series-fan-pc-cooling-magnetic-levitation
Ooooohhh sheeeeit.

>You need absurd anti-aliasing for that though
None of the games listed are using anything more demanding than SMAA, which has almost zero performance impact.

>Witcher 3 w/HairWorks
It clearly says Goyworks was disabled.

The 1070 is a nice card, but it can't even push 100fps in most demanding titles at 1080p without turning more than a few settings down, even without MSAA or Goyworks taken into account. For no compromises high refresh rate 1080p, the 1080 Ti is the only card that gets it done.

Whether you feel it's worth the outlay is entirely up to you. I couldn't give a fuck about anything more than a locked 60fps, personally. 4K brought more to my gaming experience than the high refresh rate meme ever did.

wait but if instead I went with a non pwm hub, I could use 3pin fans, and I probably would be able to control it from my bios, since right now I have 1 3pin fan and I can control its RPM from my bios

The way it does that is by adjusting the voltage, slowing the fan down by literally giving it less power. Bigger fan hubs usually have their own power source so adjusting the voltage on the header probably won't do anything.

Any companies other than EKWB and Swiftech making the 'high-end' AIOs? Predator was discontinued and the 360mm Swiftechs aren't coming back in stock any time soon.

I surprised a friend with a 7700 PC,
next day i see coffelake for the same price
should i return or fuckit?

god dammit you're right

the only way to have several fans going at low speed and being able to control
them is pwn, extra 5€ per fan then
and a pwm hub

btw I have one case fan already that is 3pin, that is just gonna run at full speed if hooked at the hub right? I think I'm gonna have to live with that, or get a new one and ditch the shitty fan

Why not. I don't think it's much of a difference anyways though save for better multi thread. Which a handful of games use but its not performance killing

Yeah why not. Might as well.

How many fans are you planning on running? If it's just 2 or 3 you could maybe get away with a passive adapter. A fan header is usually good for 1 amp total output.

I wanna add 2 more going to 3 total.
but I'm thinking of adding more in the future, or at least to keep the option open

what I dont understand is how much I need a pwm fan as opposed to a non pwm one
Most case fans, and all the ones that are the most bought on amazon, are non pwm, but people still control them through the bios
I was thinking that maybe I would just need a pwm hub and then that would control all 3 pin fans I would hook onto it
or at least I hope it would, I've read around that some hubs have the ability to control non-pwm fans

bump this please

Recommendations on budget external hdds?
Looking for 1tb at 60€ max

Preferably a bit sturdy too

It means 144Hz is the ultimate money sink. You can buy the best hardware on the market and still fail to achieve a stable 144hz. Which means you have to lower some settings, but lowering settings feels awful when you spend $500 on a video card. And if you buy a 1080Ti for 1080p you should consider suicide. 1440p/144Hz is amazing but it's not for the faint of wallet. Unless you're just playing CS:GO.

got my AM4 bracket from Cryorig today. order it on the 24th for anyone wondering how long it takes

So, Ryzen 1600 or i5 8400? All in the Intel will cost a bit more... Using for both gaming and productivity.

Is there anyone other than Swiftech and EKWB doing all in one water coolers with individual parts? Switech is out of stock on the 240/360mm for the foreseeable future and EKWB discontinued the Predator series.

I know EKWB still does the configuration thing where they'll choose the parts for you, but it's much more expensive and I still need to put everything together.

Is this lookin good for a cheapo mini build?
Still deciding on a power supply since a lot of people say corsair sucks. Might buy another ripjaw stick too.

Raisin. But I'm a shill, though I whole heartly believe you should get a ryzen that's at the same price range or less than the i5 8400. Though the i5s are out of stock and will be out only next year

I've been living under a cave.
Why are there curved monitors?

Because 64GB sticks don't exist.

It's not "worth", but it will work. I wouldn't buy sticks smaller than 8GB.

Literally less than 1% difference in games between 7700 and 8700.

For the same reason there are RAM sticks draped in RGB lights. It's edgy, it's provocative, it gets the people going.

1200 and ssd

Just got my Seasonic M12II Evo PSU. As it turns out, the only possible path for the motherboard cable is through the middle of my case. Does anyone know where I can get a cheap 10+18 Pin > 24Pin Motherboard cable that is mm ? Preferably all black.