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Literally has it all, Stable for servers/people that just want it to werk, Testing for middle of the road fucks, and Sid for bleeding edge goodness with good safeguards like apt-listbugs
Justin Reed
>plebian
Juan Robinson
ITT: Things you wish you knew when you were starting to use GNU/Linux
>Holding down Alt and SysRq (which is the Print Screen key) while slowly typing REISUB will get you safely restarted. REISUO will do a shutdown rather than a restart.
For when your computer hangs and xkill can't fix it, you don't have to risk data corruption by holding down the power button. You can just do this and be safe.
after linus's tear jar is full of the crushed hopes and dreams of those that thought they could sully the release with their pitiful code
Kayden Kelly
I hope so.
Levi Nelson
>Switched from Firefox nightly to Opera for its better optimizations and feature set.
Is Firefox Quatum more stable and optimised(especially when watching youtube videos)? Sometimes watching youtube videos causes my cpu to go upto 80C.
Lincoln Wright
Best systemd free distro?
Camden Stewart
Archlinux.
Alexander Edwards
Just stream it with mpv. Debian, Fedora, RHEL, Suse Enterprise, Open Suse, Arch, Exherbo, NixOS, Ubuntu
Samuel Carter
Used to use Void, it was fantastic. Switched to Slackware, also very nice. Main difference I've seen in practice is Void takes less setup time but is a little less stable due to rolling-release, and lacks good documentation.
Kevin Kelly
>Main difference I've seen in practice is Void takes less setup time but is a little less stable due to rolling-release, and lacks good documentation. Void and Slackware have practically the same install process. It's simply that with Slackware you have a lot of package sets. The init systems are significantly different and are kind of a huge thing that you would know about if you actually knew what you were doing. They have totally different package managers and packaging policies. Slackware and Void are nothing alike. They are two completely different distros, and the fact that you aren't aware of that and are willing to mislead someone into thinking otherwise just shows how shallow your understanding really is.
Leo Foster
Rolling release means more up-to-date means more secure.
Asher Sanders
>more secure No it doesn't, you fucking potato.
James Moore
>sit on linux kernel 3.whatever >use old versions of everything >practically a sitting duck don't come crying to me when you get rooted
Brody Ward
You forgot something >security patches >don't introduce new packages with new features and new bugs
Alexander Thompson
im about to install xubuntu on my t430. This will be my first distro. thoughts?
Zachary Brown
>security patches >but only if your distro's maintainers can be bothered >they've already demonstrated that they can't
Thomas Sanchez
Ah, yes, because Mint devs are of comparable competency to actual, quality enterprise projects like RHEL. And there aren't rolling release distros of poor quality that break things by introducing new, broken packages without sufficient prior testing.
Jason Collins
good choice
Justin Robinson
bad choice
Ethan Walker
>>A rolling release model doesn't inherently mean more secure >That must mean that you think dot releases are better. Fuck you and your opinion!
Connor Stewart
Please don't compare Mint to distros like Arch and Fedora.
Michael Diaz
Please don't compare Arch to distros like Fedora and Debian.
Julian Evans
For those that compile, do you have a separate VM/other solution to keep package dependencies and conflicts away from your main install?
Benjamin Evans
That's the fucking point.
Gabriel Miller
Never compared Arch to Debian. Arch is clearly better than Debian for all but the most idiosyncratic sysadmin.
Christopher Barnes
Like chroots? Or an actually good package manager that handles dependency trees properly?
Julian Richardson
fucking hell guys, heres the problem, i cant install arch or anything that will take time to learn (i have 0 gnu/linux experience) i need a light distro right now that will make my laptop work for university, kind of tired of window's bullshit. im dualbooting arch on my desktop at home tho then switch to arch on my laptop when im efficient with arch. so tell me again why is xubuntu (or any os really) bad for research and writing some essays?
Christian Cruz
Why would I need to do that? Package managers are literally designed to handle dependencies like that.
Brandon Stewart
Having an operating system that doesn't shit itself every other day isn't pedantic.
Kevin Lopez
>im dualbooting arch on my desktop at home tho then switch to arch on my laptop when im efficient with arch. too tired to write, i butchered that sentence kek
Mason Gonzalez
>Arch is clearly better than Debian lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html >It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian >Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian >It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective) Enjoy getting fucked by the devs.
Chase Bell
>pedantic Where did that adjective come from?
Josiah Jackson
help
Jaxson Morgan
From your post.
William Thomas
Try again.
Chase Ward
Pedanticism--formalism, the need for perfection is an idiosyncratic quality.
Jackson Bailey
Not all forms of idiosyncrasy are pedantic.
Landon Brooks
not much to help there. Either start the wms with the suggested commands with the generic VGA driver or download another distro where the kernel modesetting and the xorg graphic driver can work together. nomodeset should always be a last resort and needing to use that indicates problems.
Camden Wright
xubuntu is both light and good for beginners, xfce is easy to customize
Nathan White
I appreciate the fact that you're conveniently ignoring the crux of my argument, which wasn't even in defense of a point release cadence but rather just a criticism of your assertion that all distros with a rolling release cadence are secure.
Christopher Nguyen
My assertion was that "stable" distros are generally insecure, not that all rolling release distros are secure.
Noah Butler
quick question, can i get a tiling wm on it?
Evan Hill
Was for the original version of
Jayden Wright
yes, just install the vm and from the login screen choose that rather than xfce. There is an option for this in every X login manager somewhere.
Noah Jones
Yes. I know. And my argument is that rolling distros can easily do just as bad a job with security as stable distros. And, as such, good, professional enterprise distros can easily exceed the quality of some 16-year-olds hobby project. And of the advantages that a rolling release model can provide for desktop, better security is not something that is guaranteed if there isn't proper auditing.
Evan King
another dumbass question lol, i have intel, should i be worried about the amd64 (pic related). i see no other download on the website
Wyatt Parker
amd64 is an architecture.
Luke Baker
>Like chroots? I don't know, I was hoping someone could tell me. >actually good package manager that handles dependency trees properly >Package managers are literally designed to handle dependencies What happened is kinda like this: I installed a package X, which bundles packages A and B. B is already installed on the system. Then I go to remove package X, and it pulls A, but also B. This then uninstalled packages that depended on B. What would your package manager do?
Isaiah Morgan
no
the vast, vast majority of 64-bit consumer intel cpus use amd64
Benjamin Ramirez
>being a RAMlet
Ayden Diaz
thanks
Luis Brown
AMD "invented" the x86-64 extension to the old 32bit x86 architecture, that's why OS' call it "amd64" sometimes.
Joshua Anderson
You should be worried about Intel ME.
Josiah Kelly
>with the generic VGA driver as in "disable" the graphics card in windows or rip it off the PC so it use the generic VGA?
> another distro not an option
Christopher Gutierrez
>> another distro >not an option It's the same operating system.
Brandon Young
>as in "disable" the graphics card in windows or rip it off the PC so it use the generic VGA?
Yes. Similar to when you uninstall your graphic drivers or boot windows in VGA mode. Xorg can fall back to generic VGA if no other drivers work. Expect no graphic acceleration, no wide resolutions and increased CPU usage.
Ian Johnson
Thanks, will try.
other distros have systemd other distros don't have grsec other distros don't use tor
this is why i'm trying to get this one working
Charles Wood
>install debian- or literally any other minimal install >have more freedom, more minimalism, and less bloat than arch Remind me, why do people use Arch? It's not minimal, and the rolling release development isn't unique - but what is is the devs anti-user practices, such as adoption of systemd for no benefit (it wasn't even discussed) to the end user, with the sole reason being benefit to the developer. Not to mention the shipped kernel is bloated with every module under the sun.
Ethan Roberts
Just be flexible. There are plenty of distros without systemd; grsec is snake oil, but if you really must use it, you can just build from source; tor is insecure but, again, you can just grab the binary from the official site.
Levi Diaz
Just because a distro doesn't "have" a package doesn't mean that you can't get it. It just mean that they're not going to spoonfeed you.
Kayden Russell
If it's dev friendly it means it's easier to port all sorts of packages that wouldn't be as convenient to get working on other distributions, I have nothing against Debian, I actually use it too, but I also need Arch for different packages available on the aur like modules for various network adapters I need, RAM and disk space are not an issue for me.
Henry Baker
What is Github?
Jack Stewart
If you build a new computer. How do you load the epoch on it? If it doesn't sync from online is it just what ever the user set? Is there a hardware clock that knows the epoch?
Christopher Lopez
I just said it is more convenient.
Hunter Bailey
hardware clocks know the local or UTC time. You sync it with time servers using ntp or similar. Then your OS will calculate the epoch.
Jonathan Reed
How would I correct the epoch if it is on an air gapped network? Or is all bets off?
Joshua Anderson
Pretty sure that whole stupid reply chain came from a post comparing void and slackware.
Carter Hernandez
i have a raspberry pi running a samba server for local file sharing. No problem to access with windows
now i want to access the files and folders with my linux. and get insufficient rights mounted the share in /etc/fstab
in .share_nas is the same user and password as i use as login for samba access under windows.
As additional Info: in windows i am using the same username local as for samba login, in manjaro i'm using another name.
when i connect directly to the samba folders with smb://Server/Folder, it takes the correct login and i can access every file.
how do i need to edit the fstab so that it automounts with the correct credentials and grant me access to the shared files?
Logan White
Exactly. Like comparing apples and oranges, except Slackware has a fucking rolling branch so his main point wasn't even warranted.
Nolan Walker
Do you have eg username=value password=value domain=value In your ~/.share_nas file?
Henry Anderson
I just updated my software and Firefox was updated. I checked the changelog, and it looked like there was a bug fix.
Sebastian Myers
Glad it worked out for you in the end, user :)
Jace Green
Alpine Loonix
>Best systemd free
Cooper Robinson
yeah, username and password i am in local home network without domain, so i didn't add that
Joshua Russell
...
Hunter Stewart
I thought he have a military pantsu on his head.
Jason Bennett
>i need a light distro right now that will make my laptop work for university, My University uses Ubuntu with a XFCE desktop environment.
Owen Hall
arch or manjaro
Nicholas Morris
I've installed Manjaro on my ATX few months ago, had OpenSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu before. Manjaro keeps randomly hanging (full kernel freeze, not even magic sysrq help, only power off using power button on box). I've tried using different kernel version (currently on 4.13.4-3), different nVidia driver (have GTX560 gpu), nothing helps. None of previous distributions had this problem. Any ideas how to debug? Nothing about that in dmesg or journalctl.
Zachary Parker
She touched herself that day.
Sebastian Collins
>the reading comprehension of this board. I was suggesting that he use Ubuntu with XFCE
Austin Wilson
>so i didn't add that hmmmm, maybe that's why it isn't working? put your workgroup in there
Aiden Morgan
Can't wait for Linux 4.15, probably going to switch to a custom kernel once it's out. Any recommendations for modules?
Juan Torres
>so advanced that he has to avoid systemd >doesn't know how to look extremely simple things up himself >subscribes to the notion of "best"
Just end yourself already.
Charles Torres
what now?
Easton Taylor
He is right though.
Eli Wilson
Enjoying your retarded naivity which made you use a shitty distribution that you most likely don't even need (nor does anyone)?
Xavier Hill
I seriously doubt there are distributions which don't have a package for something as popular as Tor. He's just a retarded kid who fell for some myth spreaders and got impressed by Mr Robot.
