If you want help: >State the budget & currency for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, try to include information like response time, refresh rate, resolution, and size
CPUs: >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >i3 8100 - Better budget CPU; extra cost of the currently available Z mobos lessens the value of the CPU >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Check your Mobo's QVL before buying RAM or look for user reports >Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
GPUs: Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon), so using an old GPU or waiting to build may be a good idea right now. >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced gfx cards for 1080p; 6GB 1060 if you want to overpay a little >GTX 1070 / 1080 - 1440p >GTX 1080Ti - 4K
General: >Consider a 240GB or larger SSD. >If your build uses Wifi, you will need a Wireless Network Adapter, either 2.4 or 5GHz
>General Always consider an SSD if you can afford one and buy an HDD later.
>If you want help Assemble a part list: pcpartpicker.com/ Remember, we're not here to build a parts list for you, we're here to help you. If your part list has a monitor, list the monitor specs that you need. State your budget, currency, and usage scenarios. Learn how to build a PC: youtu.be/VhdV2wv3jQs [Open]
>CPUs A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU. R5 1400 - Best with OCing & high-speed RAM. i5-8400 - Best value for gaymen R5 1600 and R7 1700- Best value for mixed uses used Xeon, Thread ripper - Heavy multi-tasking & mixed uses 8700k - best gaming cpu at a premium
>GPUs * Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up, using an old GPU or waiting to build may be a good idea right now. 1060 3GB - 1080p 60hz at medium/high settings, anything below this just buy an Optiplex and put this GPU or better in. 1060 6GB or RX 580 - 1080p 60hz at ultra settings, former supports G-Sync, latter supports Freesync 1070 - 1080p 144hz / 1440p 60hz at ultra settings 1080 TI - 1440p 144hz / 4k 60hz at ultra settings
>RAM * RAM costs so much because ram companies are colluding again. Check your Mobo's QVL if you're on a Ryzen platform Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200MHz is ideal
Leo King
Who the hell plays at 1080p? Everyone I know has 1440p at 144hz, 165hz, or 4k at 60hz.
Jack Allen
Most people. A lot are poorfags, the rest is dumb people with 27" 1080p screens and (nvidia) 1080s
1440p is too demanding. you get tired of playing games at medium-low settings eventually. and yes i'd rather have 1080p/144hz high settings than 1440p/144hz medium-low settings.
Camden Rogers
Steam does include a lot of people who almost never game and most people's laptop/tablet. But yeah the vast majority is 1080p.
Anthony Sanchez
Lot's of people still do m8
Liam Myers
See that 1366? all laptops. A lot of laptops for others as well.
Blake Howard
>still 1080p will continue to be the mainstream resolution until budget gpus (~$150 range) will be capable of running 1440p at 60fps in aaa games.
Henry Sullivan
>A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU. Never buy this APU. Yes, it will play a few games at 720p medium settings, but waiting for the Zen/Vega APUs at the beginning next year is really the only option because the A8 APUs are so bad.
>1060 3GB - 1080p 60hz at medium/high settings, anything below this just buy an Optiplex and put this GPU or better in. Absolutely retarded. The 1050Ti is a great option for a lot of people. Additionally, you can't just stick the 1060 3GB in an Optiplex because the graphics card requires a 6+2 pin connector that the Optiplex's PSU doesn't have.
>Hz That's not how Hz works. Graphics cards do not provide Hz: they provide framerates (in conjunction with the CPU). The type of monitor just changes your strategies regarding avoiding screen tearing and stuttering. USING A 144Hz MONITOR DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO RUN GAMES AT 144FPS. Whether you have a 60Hz or 144Hz 1440p monitor, a GTX 1070 will provide a great experience.
Owen Bennett
I use 1366x768 on my 32" TV that's about 7 years old :^)
Levi Robinson
>1080p/144hz high settings than 1440p/144hz medium-low settings You. are. fucking. retarded. You do not play at a Hz, you play at an FPS.
Jason Flores
no shit you fucking retarded framefrate gatekeeper. i never mentioned any about static refresh rate but the difference in GPU load for each. jesus fuck you are so stupid, fucking off yourself honestly.
Nolan Rogers
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Benjamin Edwards
this general is tearing us apart, just like our frames
Matthew Wood
So I just replaced my good old AMD 6870 with a GTX 1060 3GB.
My current CPU is a 1st gen Intel i5-750.
Should I get a new processor as well or am I fine as it is? I feel like my new GPU could be a bottleneck.
Jacob Brooks
>Graphics cards do not provide Hz Everyone knows this. But there's no reason to get a more powerful card that runs games at 144fps on your 60hz screen. Likewise if you play at 60fps on your 144hz screen it's wasted.
Why are you getting so worked up over irrelevant details?
You could even make a case for using hz as a unit for fps, since hertz just means changes per second.
Austin Gutierrez
Your new GPU only gives you more hertz, it's fine
Wyatt Powell
List specs.
Jacob Diaz
Are you stuttering? If not you're fine. All i5s before coffee has problems with stuttering if you multitask, but otherwise run all games above 60fps
Aiden Bailey
>Everyone knows this. But there's no reason to get a more powerful card that runs games at 144fps on your 60hz screen. Likewise if you play at 60fps on your 144hz screen it's wasted. THANK YOU BASED MAN
Connor Powell
and i'll have to expand on this because i know you lack the ability to read between the lines. i'd rather play a game at higher settings on a lower demanding resolution than play at medium-low settings on a higher resolution monitor, this in the context of high refresh rate monitors. if i was to play a single player game i'd rather play that on a 4k monitor because it's not some cuck stopgap resolution like 1440p.
Aaron Roberts
I play 1440p at 60Hz and I love it.
Fuck you.
Jason Butler
hey Sup Forums long time no see. Have a meme from when I was last here.
Gonna make a new build since mine is quite old now (sandy bridge GTX580 etc), hows this shit? uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BqnGpb
Gonna be for games, UE4, Maya maybe some editing.
Will likely get 1440p / 4k monitor at some point.
Was considering a threadripper build but 8700k seems more sensible and less OTT.
Connor Parker
You don't understand how high framerate monitors work. Educate yourself and then we'll talk.
Having a higher refresh rate monitor has no effect on the graphics load. If your card can run a game at 40FPS it makes no difference whether you're running at 60Hz or 144Hz.
>Likewise if you play at 60fps on your 144hz screen it's wasted. Ever heard of settings? I repeat: The type of monitor just changes your strategies regarding avoiding screen tearing and stuttering. High Hz monitors do not require Vsync (unless you're over 144FPS.) Vsync adds latency and can cause stuttering if your framerate fluctuates above and below 60FPS (Vsync switches to a locked 30FPS when this happens, at least on AMD graphics cards). Additionally, running games on High settings with a 1070 at 1440p often provides 100FPS in NEW games. USING A 144Hz MONITOR DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO RUN GAMES AT 144FPS. Whether you have a 60Hz or 144Hz 1440p monitor, a GTX 1070 will provide a great experience.
Shut up, retard.
Ryder James
>haven't upgraded any part of my PC for almost 2 years >decide to maybe download more RAM for the hell of it >shit costs about the same as a new high-end CPU
Ryan Lopez
>120mm closed loop watercooling sad get an hdd evga / seasonic psu
Hudson Powell
>new mobo, $269 >new cpu, $269 >new ram, $250 guess the country
Xavier Brooks
australia
Carter Campbell
ding ding first try
Charles James
not the same person as others who wanted to change the OP, rate this: pastebin.com/0REWadXT i don't want to spam the thread, give me as much suggestions / changes as possible
Christian Hughes
It's fine but don't buy a high end graphics card until you're ready to buy a better monitor.
Nicholas Lee
already using the H60 & power supply and currently have a couple WD hdds.
I feel you. I'll most likely look around and get one in a few weeks.
Lincoln Perry
>Who the hell plays at 1080p Uhh... majority of gamers do?
Eli Gomez
sad
Thomas Campbell
Getting better. You won't be able to get 144FPS on most new games because they'll be CPU limited. Just say something like "high framerate"
Don't bother including the paper launch bullshit. The i3s and i5s are still in stock.
You'll also have an upgrade path with G4600. Buying an A8 for an AM4 upgrade path is stupid
Cameron Kelly
I'm not upgrading until 10bit/HDR is affordable.
Chase Murphy
Who the hell drives a Mitsubishi? Everyone I know drives a BMW, Mercedes or Ferrari.
Liam Gomez
AMA who just upgrade from >amd athlon x4 >radeon 6750 >21' 60hz screen
to a >1080 ti >r7 1700 >27'' 1440p 165hz
Jack Jones
how does it feel to be inferior
Cooper Lewis
why waste money on 8 cores
William Powell
>tfw enjoy watching people assemble old computers more than new ones why do i have to be a hipster in absolutely everything
Jayden Clark
Question:
Celeron G3900 LGA1151 socket board (i think)
I use older data calibration software thats singlethreaded. My skylake cpu has 2.8 GHz. Can i simply asume that higher GHz is better? Should i just get the fastest clocked i3 possible?
John Wood
RAM prices are so fucked up is not even funny, a single channel 16GB 3000mhz RAM stick is currently cheaper than a dual channel 2400mhz kit
Gavin Jenkins
>I enjoy watchong people cut their hands open Those were the days
Grayson Anderson
Glad for you user. Intel shills' tears are delicious.
Cameron Russell
i think i'll remove 7th gen pentiums altogether. the only upgrade path they offer is i7 7700 and that's already outperformed by i5 8400. there are many places where 8th gen i3 and i5s aren't available, i'll keep it for now moved pastebin to /u/pcbg (i thought the name was taken before). i'll try to add some useful links/resources on different hardware
Alexander Cooper
Imagine being a retard who bought a 7700k say this summer and now a budget-tier i5-8400 blows it the fuck out.
Jayden Moore
what cant you get isopropyl alcohol on? does it have to be 100%
Lincoln Russell
Need help with a new monitor >State the budget & currency for your build Up to $150
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work Just videogames mainly.
>For monitors, try to include information like response time, refresh rate, resolution, and size 1080p is fine, anything bigger than 23" is killing it for me at that resolution. I was thinking of getting the ASUS VC239H, but I keep reading it is bad for vidya.
Connor Garcia
heavy OCed 7700k still beats it i guess, but yeah 8400 is much better value. personally i'd wait for h310 mobos to come to though.
Isaiah Watson
Imagine AMD not being there, that goy with the 7700k would be king for 5 years.
Dominic Lewis
In Australia a dual channel 8GB with a high clock speed is the same price as a new i5
amd made only intel rush coffee lake release, even without ryzen it would still come out eventually
Noah Murphy
Coffee Lake is stillborn, Intel is panicking.
Ethan White
Let's go over the potential reasons: >Optimisation for it is really good >People can't test correctly >Maybe the CPU is bottlenecked, somehow
Sebastian Torres
>miner offers me an RX 580 >lets me take it home for the weekend to test before actually committing to buy because he's a good guy >don't believe the memes about miner cards being trashed >plug it all in, seems to work well, fans are actually quieter than my 1050 Ti despite the thing drawing twice as much power >great scores on passmark >fire up a game >4000 fps and insane coil whine, louder than the rest of the case fans combined, static buzz louder than game audio in my headphones >use their utility to lock the fps at 60 >start the game again >still has coil whine and static in the headphones at 60fps
I didn't believe the memes. Is this truly the result of ETH mining ruining the graphics card or was the RX 580 just this much of a piece of shit?
Hunter Sanchez
the coffee lake release is, cpus themselves are fine
Blake Sullivan
Miners rape their cards constantly for as long as they can, and then sell them used when they have little life in them or some defect. No, this isn't AMD's (or any of their partners') fault unless you find another busted card that wasn't used for mining (which you won't).
Owen Torres
>inferior kek running everything on ultra 1440p With 70+ fps
it's future proof
I was going for the 7700k Thank God I saved my house from an house fire
Andrew Edwards
6 cores is future proof 8 cores is a meme and you sacrifice single core performance
Ethan Torres
where are you plugging your headphones in
Jose Rivera
>le housefire >6850k
Luke Adams
Front case 3.5mm jack that connects to the motherboard's "HD Audio" plug. I tried the rear 3.5mm jack but that port has general static noise with or without coil whine. The 1050 Ti had a coil whine problem in STALKER, but limiting the fps to 60 fixed it. The RX 580 has coil whine no matter what I did, in all games.
I'll probably still buy it off of him as a favor and then flip it on ebay or something at a loss. I'm pretty sold on Nvidia now.
Adrian Russell
im guessing this wasnt a problem before you got the card? i wouldnt buy it
Ian Kelly
>less cores is future proof SOPA
David Wright
>Stutter lake >good WEW nice joke, why are you even bothering recommending something that was only paper launched and no real stock will be available until december, your op is shit as always and you make it WAY to obvious that you are shilling for intel
Kevin White
>MUH QUAD CORE good goyim
Hudson Lewis
>He put the skylake x in the op Intel shill confirmed, no amount of shilling is going to stop people from hating you
Juan Evans
Ryzen had stuttering issues when it first launched, as did several other new platforms from both AMD and Intel. That's par for the course, and should be fixed with some software updates.
Mason Campbell
OP not even here to rebutt any of these points, just means they're right, you are a massive shill and not even trying to hid it anymore or disprove that you aren't, rest assured im not going to let you turn this general into a shill thread for intel, juan
Jayden Wood
RAM prices wont stabilzie for a year or two atleast
I sorta got "lucky" and bought my 16 GB 3000 Mhz ram for $66 just before the ram prices spiked up. The same RAM is now listed double the price.
Benjamin Butler
Yea AMD had a MASSIVE stuttering issue, here's a day 1 for ryzen 5, just fuck off you permabtfo loser, intel is shit, you could just be like me and be mad at intel for fucking us over instead of amd for pulling the curtain back
Cameron Foster
I'm helping my younger brother pick out parts for his PC, he does a lot of video and photo editing, with a bit of gaymin on the side. and while anything is a step in from his shitty laptop, he is on a fairly tight budget.
His original choice for a CPU was a ryzen 1600, however the i5 8400 seems to be quite good, and a bit cheaper. The mobos for the i5 are expensive as fuck though so he'd have to wait for a B-series motherboard to be released.
So do you think it's better for him to wait a month or 2 for new motherboards and get an i5, or is ryzen 1600 overall better in general for his workload?
Ayden Cook
Day one of skylake/kabylake x i mean
Andrew Hall
that doesn't count
Joshua Diaz
>Whether you have a 60Hz or 144Hz 1440p monitor, a GTX 1070 will provide a great experience.
Maybe if you're a fucking poorfag used to looking at shit. The GTX 1070 can't even deliver acceptable high refresh rate gaming at 1080p, let alone 1440p, and you're a delusional faggot if you think it can.
Bentley Rogers
>a cpu that isnt out >has stuttering issues like the previous gen >runs at 200 watts >90-100c
why don't you throw in a vega card for good measure, its also a out of stock housefire
Robert Baker
it never counts when intel is shown in bad light is it?
Nicholas Kelly
intel knows no bad lights
Camden Miller
?
Ayden Jackson
I dont know which shills to believe. I have been in the market for a new CPU for two months now and have been waiting for the i7 8700k, but now it looks like this shit isnt going to be available until at least november.
Is the 1700X really that much worse than the 8700K or even 7700k?
For reference, I plan to use this rig for mostly gaming so ill be getting a 1080ti to go along with it so I dont want to be immediately cucked by picking a shitty CPU
Joshua Walker
>Is the 1700X really that much worse than the 8700K or even 7700k?
usualy like 5-10 fps worse in averages, but in the 99 percentile (stutter) AMD rails intel in the ass, look at bf1 with stutter from an intel cpu, does that look playable to you? Intel's minimums are shit and that's enough reason to stay away from them
Bentley Powell
At 1440p, your GPU becomes the bottleneck. It isn't worth buying 4-core on a deap platform or waiting when you may heave a 1-2 fps difference that favors the 1700x sometimes.
Jackson Kelly
only the fire from the 7700k looming in the distance
Evan White
Ay faggot why don't you have vega in the OP its exactly like coffee lake, it burns down houses, is virtually unavailable, and is massively overpriced
Colton Green
I'm going for a very modest build that can do 1080p gaming at high settings. This is what I went for overall, the CPU price includes the cooling fan as well which comes with the i5. pcpartpicker.com/list/CCm3LD
One thing I had worries about was the case, it seems to be big enough for everything but it did have a lot of holes, that usually means more dust will get in unless I cover them but I don't really know what other case would benefit this.
Anything else you think I could change? My budget is $900.
John Jenkins
Lets put it this way, the difference between Ryzen 1600 (6c12t) and 8700K is mainly in the clock speed. The 1600 can hit 4Ghz the 8700K can hit 5Ghz. This is a 25% clock speed difference, obviously speaking of overclock. The other main difference is pricing. 1600 is ~$200, mobo $80. Where as 8700K is ~$400 and mobo ~$125s and $70+ coolers(ryzen cooler works just fine, 8700K doesn't come with it). With shortages. So its a $280 machine vs $600 machine for a rough difference of about 25% difference in single thread and roughly 10% difference in multithread(due to diminishing returns).
Camden Hall
These are basically the two builds I have lined up for reference. I can go to microcenter and get everything today for less money and without playing the f5 game for coffee lake.
Oh wow, in my opinion stutter makes the game waaaay more unplayable than a 5-10 FPS drop. I definitely favor slightly lower and smooth over high but inconsistent.
yeah I am targeting 1440p @ 144hz which was why I was going full overboard with the GPU.
Ian Gonzalez
You know what else also includes a stock cooler and outperforms an i5? Ryzen. Consider it.
Sebastian Roberts
I'll also need to consider a new mobo with the AM4 socket though, and that will limit me in terms of what CPU to get later. What Ryzen would you recommend for this set up that won't blow my budget?
Carter Johnson
No SSD? If you have one put it on, marked as purchased.
Hudson Williams
the 8700k is even worse in its power consumption
Carson Hill
1600 for $194~200 and an ~$75-85 B350 chipset mobo for overclocking.
Carter Perry
I would say read the op but a shill vandalized it, the 1600 is better go for that one
