Guide update

With the Coffee Lake update and Intel's new i9's, I am thinking this is the way to go. I have not updated anything yet, since I would like to hear your thoughts first.

Comments, suggestions, and criticisms welcome.

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static.tradetracker.net/int/international/jump.html.
anandtech.com/show/11897/price-watch-core-i7-8700k-core-i5-8600k-and-core-i3-8350k-launch-day
google.com/search?q=dell precision ryzen
google.com/search?q=lenovo thinkstation ryzen
google.com/search?q=hp z workstation ryzen
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

Also: Should I compare CPUs to the new 8700K (best single threaded) or the i9 7980XE(best multi-threaded) or just keep this for a generation or more?

Pic related.

Anyone?

Intel really replaced all of the Ryzen chips?

Intel had the single-threaded advantage, even before Coffee Lake. With Coffee Lake, they added 2 cores to everything, making them even with Ryzen on core count and multi-threaded performance, and beating Ryzen with single-threaded performance.

Go ahead then... I guess all we can hope for now is Ryzen 2

I am keeping the R3 1300X. The price and performance makes it a perfectly good CPU between the i3 8100 and 8350K. Ryzen can still be competitive with a healthy price cut.

Looks good to me. Good update

Are those heatsinks good enough for i9?

Top class AiO 240/280mm stuff. It is the best $$$ can buy, other than DIY WC.

Add warnings about 2D NAND and 3D NAND when it comes to SSDs?

Also replace PNY CS1311($58) for ADATA SU800($56)?

Thanks.

What kind of warning? It needs to be something that is of actual concern to the standard consumer, not enterprise. "Warning: This SSD will only last for 20 years" is not something I would consider valid.

you sure you don't want to wait it "release" and get real benchmark not just golden sample?

I will check the performance and compare. Thanks!

New list already? Are Intel cpus finally stocked?

Im not sure warning is the correct word but i meant to add info about 2D NAND and 3D NAND in the bottom information/SSD section.

Also the difference between TLC and MLC for those who don't know.

This is my concern too. It might be too quick to jump in for a new list.

kill yourself

Aren't the 1070ti's coming out soon? Just wait for their benches to come out and do an update for them + Coffee at once

I guess wait would make sense till the CPUs are properly on stock and reviewed.
Thanks to the whole Multicore Enhancement thing reviews are too inaccurate and different.

I have to go by benchmarks and results from well-known and reliable sources, like Anand's or TPU. I can compare the official performance to user-reported performance on sites like userbenchmark, but that will take time.

Aren't Coffee Lake mobos all expensive?

I can update once section while waiting!

I need to afk for an hour or two, will be back to read more comments/suggestions/criticisms.

>Aren't Coffee Lake mobos all expensive?
Lowest price for z370 mobos (msi, and asrock) on newegg are $119.

I haven't kept up with parts at all since my Haswell build but nice to see you still update your guide

Mexico Lists needs prices updated.

Cases:
Corsair 200r from $875 to $1,183
NZXT 210 link is broken
Antec one from $1,400 to $1,535
HAF 912 from $1,250 to $1,609
NZXT ATX S340 from $1,325 to $1,469
Enthoo Pro from $2,150 to a Replacement/Another store
Rosewill Thor-VR from $2,500 to $3,858
Silverstone Raven3 from $3,300 to Replacement/Another store
Storm Stryker link is broken
NZXT 630 from $3,300 to $3,380
HAF X from $3,000 to $4,700
Silverstone Raven2 from $5,500 to Replacement/Another store
NZXT Phantom 820 link is broken
Enthoo Primo from $6,400 to Replacement/Another store
Cosmos II link is broken


>Why replacement/Another store
Because you should never buy cases imported from Amazon EU
You have to pay $1900-2500 MXN($95-$125) per case if you do it.

Also tradetracker redirects to static.tradetracker.net/int/international/jump.html.

>Replacing 1600 and 1700X
>Replacing Threadripper with processors 2X the price that perform worse.
Damn, I almost took the bait.

Also why not NZXT 410?

falcon terminated by mossad and replaced with happy processor merchant?

Thank you. Will email the guy who updates Mexico with this.

No, still me.

Thank you.

The 8350k and 8600k are both overpriced for what they offer over the locked versions.

How come it's not possible to contribute to the site openly yet, like on gitlab or something?

Cause he's a intel shill

I want to touch you

Go back to plebbit your stupid intel shill tripfag. Filtered.
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I will not recommend either of them on their own.

Would like more suggestions, comments, and criticism please.

Especially criticisms. Praise is nice and all, but constructive criticism is how you know where you stand.

Sources suggest that it will be frequency locked to prevent basically a cheaper 1080.

i9 7960x and 7980xe are overpriced firedumps that are double the cost of threadripper with a miniscule difference in perf and 3x the power consumption

Just Intel shill
The 8 core Ryzens still take a dump all over the 6 core i7 in multithreaded for slightly less, while 6 core Ryzens offer slightly less performance for much better price.

Rypoo garbage is dead, give it up faggot

No one is buying Rypoo now with Coffee Lake available

>reeeeeee its all oger for amd
>Coffee Lake
>available

The only people (assuming they can find one) are buying the 8700k, overpriced and the motherboards are overpriced too (since they are just z270 boards whit a new coat of paint)

Budget people aren't buying the 8400 because the only motherboards are MUH overcocking ones.

Only to be made redudant q3 next year with z390 which will require a new board for the 8cores

Also bring your delid tools goy, too bad if it fucks up we don't honor the warranty

I think the 1600 and 1700 should be on that list somewhere along with the new Intel CPUs

>implying coffee lake is available

Perhaps I can move Threadripper up to Extremist, and drop the 7820X and 7900X.

Remove all the AYYMD HOUSEFIRES garbage

They are slower than superior Coffee Lake CPUs

aren't AMDs generally cooler?

I personally would like to compare CPUs to the 8700k. While it's nice to compare to the best ones available, I would guess most people would make their cut off the 8700 (at least I would for basic gaming use) and seeing how the lower version stack up to it would be better for how you're suppose to use the guide anyways.

it was sarcasm

Make a new Falcon Guide png please. Sometimes you're shopping at Brandsmart USA and need a guide you can check without internet access.

You know as well as we do:
Gayming? Coffee Lake
500 tabs in Chrome? Ryzen
Broke? Still Ryzen due to Intel's paper launch, but you could put i3-8100 in there if you wanted. It's your site.

Why would you replace everything with Coffee Lake when nothing is available? 8100 and 8400 won't be worth it at all until other chipset motherboards are out. Ryzen 1600 and 1700 are still great value. At least wait until early 2018 when they're out, and then we'll have Zen+ to compare with them.

If you want a cpu to compare to go with 7980XE or TR 1950X, only intel shills give a shit about single-thread over multi-thread.

I kinda did mention (in red) that some changes will be "when mobo price is logical".

Is there any chance of seeing updates to the Firefox Sup Forumsuide now that a good portion of those addons aren't compatible with version 57 and above?

>implying you bought either of them
>implying life isn't worth it without 5 more fps only an Intel CPU can provide.
Off yourself.

I'll wait for the Ryzen 2. If it sucks, Intel chips should have lower prices by then.

My point is that Coffee Lake's only real use case over Ryzen is if someone wants to only do gaming. Ryzen is a better choice if someone's use case is gaming with some (or a lot of) streaming/video encoding/other multithreaded tasks.

Even if someone only wants gaming, Ryzen is still a fine choice because the performance loss for gaymes is marginal, the product is actually available, and the cost is highly competitive. But that could be my AMD bias.

Good site though. No bulli.

>All this AMD buttboi video encoding bullshit

Seriously? No one gives a shit whether their porn transcoding takes 3 hours instead of 6 hours. Click the button and go to fucking bed.

>Gaming performance is about 10-20% lower than the target competition from Intel, but the price is 30-50% lower!

could you explain how this makes sense?

Clearly the target competition is whatever is at the same price point dumbass

AMD says "these are our 8-core/16-thread CPUs that will take on Intel's 8-core/16-thread CPUs for a cheaper price". Review sites pit them against each other and note how AMD's [x] is targeting the more expensive Intel [y].

>logicalincrements
they recommend bad builds

This, Falcon clearly has gone to retard town.

>replace a $300 8-core with a $380 6-core because it gets 3% more fps
Nah

Not really. The Ryzen chips are still cheaper and offer a better performance/$. The only major thing holding the Zen arch back is frequency, if they fix that in Zen 2 with minor arch upgrades, Intel will have a lot more to worry about.

Source?

>even with Ryzen on core count and multi-threaded performance
Nope, 8700K is 6-core. The advantage displayed in multi-core tests is actually a side effect of higher clock speed.

anandtech.com/show/11897/price-watch-core-i7-8700k-core-i5-8600k-and-core-i3-8350k-launch-day

You should keep in some Ryzen options, especially with the Z370 mobo situation and the multi-threaded performance benefits.

do you only care about gaming and hate competition?
then it is fine.

Considering it's two whole cores less, I'd call this destroyed senpai. Brand loyalty is retarded.
Coffee Lake X might bring a $500 octacore too.

The difference in gaymen with a fast GPU and at 1440p or 4k is small, and there are multi-thread benefits with Ryzen.

>multi-thread benefits
Like performance in non-interactive applications. Woo hoo!

Like doing more than one thing at once, or converting/editing video, or basically doing anything other than gaming that actually puts a load on the hardware.

My point is that those two extra cores should account for a 25% difference, but Intel is so ahead in per core performance the 1800X gets away with barely 10%.

RyzJUST

Yeah let me know next time you max out your CPU in an interactive application. In the real world this basically never happens. Consumers who buy a >$300 CPU aren't buying for value, they buy because of a 'feeling'.

>4.7GHz vs 4GHz
>GUYS INTEL BEATS AMD WITH TWO FEWER CORES!!!!!!
Fucking moron.

>Coffee Lake X might bring a $500 octacore too.
No, you'll be waiting for Gen9 on that.

>Consumers who buy
Gaymen buy the 7700K, professionals go with AMD.

And yet, Ryzen still has a multi-thread advantage, and I would expect higher clocks with GloFo's 12nm with which should close the single core gap.

So get the $200 6-core

And AMD can be pushed to stable 4.7? 5.0?
Stop being a fanboy.

no because the $200 6-core is a bad value for interactive applications, such as games (the most interactive of interactive applications)

How is it bad value? It performs 10-15% slower than the 8700K clock for clock but is 54% cheaper.

Because 8700k is an overpriced premium chip. i5 8400 is the value option.

Because the I5-8400 and 8600 exist.

SOPA

provably untrue


google.com/search?q=dell precision ryzen
google.com/search?q=lenovo thinkstation ryzen
google.com/search?q=hp z workstation ryzen

>userbenchmark

Ah, there is a slight advantage for the same price to the i5-8400.

OEMs have avoided Ryzen to some extent due to early issues with motherboard manufacturers. Thanks to investors, Ryzen was released very early.

Benchmarks across the board show Ryzen to be a better value for workstation loads though.

...

Also because no IGPU.

OEMs have avoided Ryzen because AMD has a shit record in terms of providing technical documentation, drivers, product availability, and QC. The exception is in consumer-driven gaming consoles where AMD provides the price point, and is locked into an OEM-specified SKU with a contract specifying penalties for missing availability timelines.

Even a perception of bad QC and lack of technical aptitude is poison for the workstation market where sales are made specifically on the idea of professional reliability, stability and availability.

You should add the 4 TB SSDs as well as Seasonics Prime PSUs. I think the Prime is better than Corsairs AX seires.

These values are never correct. How can a hexa core with less multithreading be more powerful than a native octacore?

>I have no idea what I'm talking about, the post.