If you had to pick out one person who fucked your country the hardest, who'd you choose? No foreigners obviously, has to be a domestic villain.
This cunt is the obvious choice
>diplomatic retardation and an inferiority complex lead to German alienation >all the work Bismarck committed to in order to cuck the frogs and build an intricate network of foreign relations to guarantee peace and the security of our borders goes out the window >completely oblivious to foreign policy, which leads to steady escalation up to WW1 (obviously not only his fault, Austria and Serbia were worse, Russia and France are contenders too) >fucks off out of Germany as soon as the war is lost like a coward
I'm not opposed to monarchs per se, Wilhelm I. was p based and Friedrich III coulda been cool. But fuck Wilhelm II, he ruined which was pretty much one of the best eras of Germany
Hunter Collins
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Leo Taylor
not farage?
i agree, with hitler he destroyed germany pretty much and now look at us
Jace Martin
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Alexander Hughes
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Josiah Carter
While he might have been part of the based Front Popular, he still played the weak dog in front of Germany.
Jace Gray
THIS, SO MUCH THIS
Jack Sanders
>Front Populaire >basé Bon post. Bien mémé mon ami.
Landon Mitchell
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Colton Thompson
The Terror didn't last long enough tb'h
Hudson Wright
>hitler and Wilhelm >not merkel And you humorless people wonder why people laugh at modern Germany. If they had been successful which they nearly were you would be praising them
Logan Harris
ah yes another clueless yankee chiming in
sush, runt
Cameron Smith
If you want to go back to premodern times, Henry VIII literally ripped the country apart so he could get a divorce.
Christian Myers
Hitler did much more harm
Nicholas Gutierrez
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Lincoln Peterson
Hitler would never have happened in the first place without Willy's fuckery.
Luis Morales
>Muh Merkel. Fuck off.
Luis Reed
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Jack James
This. WW1 was inevitable, but Hitler tried to do it again
Wilhelm wasn't a puppet, but he was a product of his environment. You praise Bismark, yet Bismark was a member of that elite Prussian military ruling class that launched Germany into WW1. IN fact, the Kaiser tried stopping the attack on France, but his generals basically said, "Sorry, we've planned this for 50 years and you aren't going to get in our way."
Hitler is far worse.
If you wanna blame anyone for WW1, blame Moltke
Justin Torres
Not Christian IX?
Brody Reyes
No contest
Lucas Perez
Shitler
Aaron Cruz
What. Bismarck tried his best to prevent a general war from breaking out in Europe. He was the guy who said "Twenty years after I'm gone, it will all be over." (the armistice in November 1918 occurred 20 years and one month after his death)
Kevin Morris
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Levi Jones
Fuckin good, catholic cunts
Camden Rogers
Trudeau Sr
Looking at Australia it was only a matter of time, he just sped it up 20 years.
Nathan Fisher
Quoth Eisenhower, "Appointing Earl Warren was the biggest damned mistake I ever made."
Josiah Evans
>merkel >wilhelm >hitler do you even reformation?
Oliver Turner
All that happened was that the same exact Catholic church and rituals were preserved, but with the king instead of the Pope running the church.
Mason Howard
He was pretty weak, which was good for the period. We got a constitution and elected representatives without violence. He couldn't possibly have prevented the 2. schleswig war.
Jacob Wright
There were a bunch of other epic fail kings/queens like Edward II, Richard II, Mary I, James III, etc.
Jaxon Myers
But Bismarck never entertained the idea of going to War, especially not one that was as much of an uncontrollable clusterfuck as WW1. His wars were quick and contained, with no intention of humiliating the opponent. After 1871, he was a messenger of peace, for lack of a better word. He was always at the negotiating table when trouble was afoot in Europe.
Hitler was a retard too, but he was quite literally a product of Wilhelms mistakes Just see how WW1 pushed him over the edge
Anthony Jenkins
all of them lad
Aaron Gomez
i think Gamelin,the chief of staff was really incompetent compared to german counterparts,and with his decisions fucked up a decent chance for a counterattack
Angel White
You hadn't heard that Christian IX was so cuck that he wanted Denmark to be annexed into the German Confederation, but Bismarck said no?
Tyler Torres
A lot of people thought the same. Bismark wasn't exactly a peaceful guy. The guy engineered the Franco wars against the French.
It was Bismark's policy of juggling alliances that partly caused the fuckery. At least the Kaiser give more of a shit about the sea than he did continental expansion (like Bismark)
>But Bismarck never entertained the idea of going to War
The guy was basically de-facto ruler of a kingdom, "hatched from a cannonball". War was on his brain 24/7
Only time he ever came close to peace was when he toyed with the idea of giving independence to Alsace. But then that would lose the German advantage of always puting France on the defensive, so he never did it.
Jaxon Jones
He was. Gamelin shot down the idea of an offensive across the Rhine into Western Germany. By the admission of one German general, the French would have been in Berlin in two weeks because most of the Wehrmacht was in Poland and the western flank of the country was nearly undefended.
Jackson Ross
If Bismarck had said yes he would be the worst. We got a lot of Schleswig back after WW1 though.
David Watson
>this entire post
Cooper Phillips
Christopher II was a disaster, easily one of the worst Danish kings. Frederick III was also pretty incompetent and almost got the country razed to the ground by Sweden.
Nathaniel Phillips
Trudeau
Nolan Lopez
>Merkel Dude she's a satrap, meanwhile Wilhelm actually ruled an independent country
Chase Lewis
Bismarck rejected the idea of incorporating Denmark because, among other things, acquiring the Danish fleet would possibly provoke the hostility of other European powers.
James Hall
Yeah nice response.
It's almost as retarded as saying the guy who said "the future will be decided with blood and iron" was peaceful
That Prussian military general truly was a man of peace
I know you're engineered to hate your monarchs and anything German, but Kaiser Wilhelm really gets too much of the blame
Grayson Garcia
Bismarck's wars only had limited objectives. He went out of his way to prevent a general conflict from happening, especially the ultimate worst case scenario of an alliance between France and Russia.
Hunter Edwards
I think you have a very simplistic view of WW1
Levi Morgan
How do you know about our obscure shitty kings? I didn't know who Christopher 2. was.
Landon Cook
If only Bismarck had lived for 200 years.
Angel Perry
He passed up on colonies so as not to Piss off Brits. He also forged an alliance with Russia and Austria (Dreikaiserabkommen).
All in all, he maintained good relations in Europe, except France of course.
Luis Ramirez
Bismarck tried to form an alliance with Russia and Austria, the Dreikaisersbund (League of Three Emperors) but William II's belligerency caused German-Russian relations to drift apart.
Keeping in mind that during Bismarck's later years, Russia largely turned away from European politics in favor of expansion in Central Asia and the Far East.
Jaxson Reed
Before franco prussian war france was always the aggressor towards german territory. It was also the strongest land power in europe. They had to achieve victory against them.
Carter Hughes
>That Prussian military general truly was a man of peace The "Prussian militarism" meme, nice. The Brits and the French started and fought a multitude more wars but because they didn't wear uniforms 24/7 they were peacemakers while the Prussians were warmongers. Bismarck wasn't a general by the way but only an officer in the reserve and at no point commanded any troops in any war.
Eli Myers
It is a competition between the actual retard (Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner) but had a tolerable result because of the favorable context, and someone that was overwhelmed by every negative thing that could have happened (Fernando De la Rua) (Crippling debt crisis, laws that kept him unable to act and a few bad decisions)
Ryan Wood
>stupid, pointless and costly wars >mass uncontrollable migration >university for all the retards I completely agree
Robert Campbell
>William II's belligerency caused German-Russian relations to drift apart. Just leave out the fact that Russia was actively supporting Serbia and other Balkan nations due to Panslavism and expansion aims, thus getting into conflict with Austria, Germany's oldest and most important ally.
Jackson King
>The "Prussian militarism" meme, nice.
Sebastian Brown
Mostly England, who couldn't stand to see another European power having a decent navy. It went further than simply the Danish fleet; at times, England threatened all out embargos, blockades on any German ships. Remind yourself this was the time of Empires; it was either a sea empire (Kaiser Wilhelm's dream) or a land empire (Bismark's dream)
Of course. Which is why the Prussians took the Alsace, because it left France constantly on the defense. There are stories of 1890s French generals weeping at the thought of Alsace, which became the mythical known "lost colony" of France, stolen by Bismark and his Germans, etc etc.
> Russia largely turned away from European politics in favor of expansion in Central Asia and the Far East.
More like: They got BTFO by the Japanese in 1905, and France got scared shitless and began moving its entire army 10 km from the border of Germany
>Prussia >not a military state
Good meme yourself
Of course, I know, Prussia defended itself against 6 nations at once. But by the late 1800s, Bismark had reached mythical status among the Germans. His word carried more weight than the WIlhelms
This too. Tzar Nichols is an utter retard.
Upon hearing the news that the Russian generals decided to invade Austria, his only words were "God wills it." and then he went back to playing chess
Jace Brooks
Basically, Christopher II fell into conflict with the Riksdag over funding a silly war with the Hanseatic League and after peasant revolts and other assorted chaos, was deposed and put under house arrest. The country was pawned off to German counts after the Danish treasury went bankrupt and there was no monarch for some years until his son Valdemar assumed power and reunited the country.
Hunter Cox
england never backs down, rest of the world btfo
Noah Jones
>Prussia >not a military state The military state with the biggest social democratic party in the world, the first welfare state etc. I'm afraid you don't understand Prussia at all and why they cultivated the militarist image.
Kevin Fisher
Quoth Bismarck, "When war comes to Europe, it will no doubt emerge from some damn fool thing in the Balkans."
Hudson Hughes
this idiot got us involved in a bunch off stupid wars just because he hated the french revolutionaries. he also lost finland. shame they didn't arrest him sooner
Chase Brown
>There are stories of 1890s French generals weeping at the thought of Alsace, which became the mythical known "lost colony" of France, stolen by Bismark and his Germans, etc etc. Its funny because they "stole" it first
Nolan Jones
impressive
Lincoln Martin
Ive lived with an argentinian guy before and he said that Kirchner is a huge corrupt cunt. But I guess being corrupt is normal for South America, just look at Brazil.
And nope, Wilhelm II was a huge, idiotic cunt. He wanted colonies so bad which went horribly wrong (yeah right, because at that point in history you wouldve gotten some good stuff). But furthermore, through all his powerplay and "I want a big german military" he completely destroyed the perfect balance in european politics Bismarck orchestrated. Yeah, Bismarck was not a nice man, his internal politics were quite harsh and oppressive, but he got shit done, he united Germany, turned it into an economically strong country and brought peace to Europe.
Brayden Sanchez
At least the retard was too retarded to make Rua's IMF approved decisions.
Brody Fisher
Nicholas II's diary shows how empty-headed of a guy he was. There's nothing in there but recounts of palace balls and walks in the garden.
Austin Jones
The whole reason Prussia, and Germany, exist is through military.
Take it from this guy
Which was a common sentiment at the time. It's called the Eastern Question
Ayden Gray
wtf i love that guy whoever he is
Connor Jackson
I mean, yeah. It's hard to top having your country go bankrupt and be literally auctioned off in pieces.
Aaron Murphy
Colonies and of course challenging British naval supremacy. Bismarck was from an older generation, William was from a younger one that was fixated on the idea of how you couldn't be a great power unless you owned some strip of nigger jungle on a distant continent.
Leo Taylor
he got a lot of finns killed, if that's what you like
James Sanchez
"Alexander III, who deliberately intended to keep his son uneducated in statecraft until the age of thirty, unfortunately miscalculated his own life expectancy, and died when Nicholas was twenty-six. The new Czar, now forty-six, had learned nothing in the interval. When a telegram was brought to him announcing the annihilation of the Russian fleet at Tsushima, he read it, stuffed it in his pocket, and continued playing tennis. When Kokostov, returning from Berlin, gave the Czar the personal report on german preparations for war, Nicholas looked him right in the eyes. After a long pause, finally speaking up, Nicholas said, "God's will be done." Kokostove said the Czar was simply bored." -- guns of august. a good book desu
At least they looked cool at the balls
Logan Hill
Yeah, when Wilhelm II had the brilliant idea of building a big fleet he triggered the Brits.
The real tragedy imho is that most of the royal houses in Europe were blood-related. And they still sent their men to die for some dick-comparing-contest.
Wyatt Cruz
>Yeah, when Wilhelm II had the brilliant idea of building a big fleet he triggered the Brits.
This was at a time of empires. It was either a sea fleet or wider European borders.
Funny story, when England declared war on Germany, Kaiser Wilhelm said, "Grandmother would have never allowed this."
Christian Turner
> destroyed the perfect balance in european politics Bismarck orchestrated. >perfect balance in Europe politics >19th century
Oh im giggle mate
Liam Thompson
I didnt know about Wilhelm saying that, but of his massive cunt-grade i can imagine.
Yeah, and thats why we admire Bismarck. He was happy that he united Germany, we didnt need to be an empire like Britain. We were united, had good social policies, who cares about owning some shithole thousands of miles away. And the most important thing was to be allied with basically everybody in Europe to isolate France because they hated us. But then the Cunt came along, pissed everybody off and then basically told the Austrians hed 100% have their back. What a mistake that was.
Angel Torres
Bismarcks highest goal was to unite Germany and to secure it from future threats. Okay, before 1871 Bismarck had to fight some wars to unite Germany, but after these wars Bismarck secured Germany. And since Germany is the middle of Europe, he had to protect himself from basically everybody in Europe. And that he did by basically allying everybody in Europe with each other isolating France.
Look it up, Europe was as peaceful as never before under the rule of Bismarck after 1871.
John Harris
>Bismarcks highest goal was to unite Germany and to secure it from future threats. The problem is, in the process, feet are stepped on. The French of the late 1800s in particular saw Bismark as a devil. not only did Bismark take the Alsace, but Bismark took the pride of France. These Germans are undeserving of the new found glory of a new empire, the French generals of the 1800s thought.
That is why between 1870-1914, French generals planned imaginary wars against Germany. Germans did the same. That's why Germany's rail system today is considered the best. The elder Moltke made sure to remind the Germans on his death bed, "Build more railways."
That is consequently why the French planned an invasion through Alsace, while the Germans planned it through Belgium
Justin Reed
>one person Can I pick a whole social class instead? These fat fucking retards ruined everything with their ridiculous voting rights
Levi Carter
>who cares about owning some shithole thousands of miles away
Besides, since the British and French already got the lion's share of colonial territory, Germany was left with the scraps. Namibia was referred to as "not fit for even a penal colony".
Grayson Hernandez
He sowed the seed that would dictate every presidential decision onwards.
Plus he had fucked up teeth
Easton Diaz
"Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke, in his final address to the Reichstag in 1891, cautioned 'If war should come to Europe, no one knows how long it will last or what would happen. No one knows what the political structures of Europe will look like afterward.'"
Xavier Reyes
Of course some were very valuable, like India. But Germany was far too late to the game so we shouldve just not done anything.
Adam Thompson
Yeah, Wilson did have notably poor dental hygiene. There's also a correlation between this and arteriosclerotic disease, which eventually did him in.
Carson Foster
Uh huh. William II basically should have listened to his elders but he was a dumb, edgy kid who thought Bismarck and Moltke were just some old senile guys with no relevant opinion.
Cooper King
yep.
Only Togo and Samoa made a profit. But only in the last years of ownership.
Ryan Wright
Bismarck is based. He understood that war was a diplomatic tool to get why's you want when all other options had failed.
He even predicted the creation of the EU and why it would fail.
Jackson Ward
Of course Britain and France were superpowers, so that's one thing. But then 2nd-stringer countries like Italy and Belgium also decided they needed their own personal nigger jungle to rule over.
Angel Russell
Bush ruined everything
Jayden Bailey
Well this guy was supposed to be emperor first. But he died after 99 days. Wilhelm II wasnt really matured enough.
I mean, we literally created German identity by constantly kicking your germanic asses
Logan Evans
Wilhelm II was a good man. Don't be an idiot.
Andrew Gomez
He just wanted to waggle his willy in peace :^(
Carson Reyes
Hotzendorf was a fucking cunt, and bad in the field
Aaron Morris
>le evil Wilhelm II caused all bad things meme Please refrain from posting without enough knowledge about the subject.
Leo Johnson
The culture of them was "german" you cant deny it.
The area of the german states was also seen sicne the medieval ages as a common cultural area. There are many primary sources for that.
Isaiah Butler
Then enlighten us all, how was Wilhelm II any good?
Tyler Russell
>IN fact, the Kaiser tried stopping the attack on France, but his generals basically said, "Sorry, we've planned this for 50 years and you aren't going to get in our way." Extremly out of context, willy had some grand idea which had to be improvised, and then they told him movements of millions of troops is not somehting to be improvised, we planned this for years and now we stivk to the plan
Mason Rivera
The worst part about a colonial empire? Eventually after decolonization, Ahmed and Nbu decided that hey, they're British and French too and they should therefore move to the motherland and live on welfare while getting a free white woman.
Frederick III was a liberal however, so Bismarck despised him. William II wasn't liberal-minded. Bismarck assumed he could control him, but William wasn't a senile old man like his grandfather, nor was he dying of cancer when he assumed the throne, he was an energetic 30 year old who wanted to make a name for himself and he had no use for guys like Bismarck who were from his grandfather's generation.
So he told Bismarck to bug off and all subsequent German chancellors were weak individuals subordinate to the Kaiser. On the other hand, there's the argument that Bismarck was 75 and it was definitely past time for him to go.