Space colonization is technology

Space colonization is technology

What do you people think about terraforming Mars? It's pretty sad that we won't see it happen in our lifetime.

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>no molten core
>not enough gravity to support an earth-like atmosphere
Forget about it

>terraforming Mars

A meme that flat-Earth level retards think makes them sound edgy.

The technological hurdles to terraform any planet are about 1000 years into our future, if we keep advancing for 100 years at our current rate.

I honestly don't think OP even understands what the term "terraforming" means. It's just a buzzword to spam yet another shitposting thread on the board.

Why the fuck is everyone obsessed with Mars? Venus seems a lot easier to work with.

Certainly seems easier than removing Venus' atmosphere and cooling the planet down by 400 degrees

Lets try to see the details of terraforming technology. You need plants or something like that to fill the atmosphere of oxygen, also you need to actually increase the greenhouse effect which is not going to come alone. How would you solve both?
Molds can produce the initial oxygen generation, but for massive carbon dioxide generation you need to make a massive industrial effect on mars to create the desired contamination.

this

at best we'll have dome cities in craters for mining colonies

We cant even keep our own planet alive...

>cities in craters

What if I told you that both ideas are fucking stupid

I'd say doing Mars still sounds more feasible

On another subject, would a manned mission to present day Venus be even remotely doable at all? I'm pretty sure we can make spacesuits that can handle the atmospheric pressure but not so sure about surviving the heat and the corrosive air

>>not enough gravity to support an earth-like atmosphere
it can support one just fine, it just needs to be maintained, just like the atmospheres of Venus, Earth, or Titan are maintained by natural mechanisms

the problem with the terraformation meme is that not only do we have no idea when the technology required will actually be possible, but it would take so fucking long you might as well just modify conditions more slightly and genetically adapt humans to them rather than going all out

when you have to explain that ___ is technology, it automatically isn't technology

saged

computers are technology

The air will escape and you can't emulate gravity.

>Space colonization is technology
Also a bullshit. The whole solar system is trash aside Earth.

if mars is bigger than earth why does it have less gravity?

>it can support one just fine
Oh, is that why its atmosphere has been slowly getting blasted away by solar wind? It doesn't have enough gravity or a magnetic field to protect its atmosphere. All you can do is constantly import more atmosphere, and that is beyond retarded.

Venus is 864 degrees fahrenheit(or in non-burger temp, ~460 C) on average. Its surface pressure is roughly 90X higher than Earth.

Mars on average is around 0 degree fahrenheit.

Venus would melt most things. Mars is much more readily accessible.

I like the titan supercomputer and brain uploading plan.

The plan was floating cities wasn't it?
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for venus it takes longer to make a full turn around its axis than make a full round around the sun

Different matter have different attracting quality. Some bombardment of the Mars with asteroids can easy improve gravitational ability of the Mars

Venus can melt anything with its sulphuric acid rains.
The sun light maybe good enough to make some potatoes, but still weak for anything more complex. Also the season would be too long for Earth stuff.

having Mars be as big as Earth in that picture is no better than believing that the Earth is flat
I hope everyone who sees that picture dies

that's clearly not earth, you retard

Yes, it will work for sure.

Much less viable than Mars.

On Mars, you just dig tunnel and "chill out" literally. Or more naturally, you can dig tunnels, heat up the tunnels, create artificial atmosphere, grow food, grow underground cities, etc. This would require much less energy than the airship idea of venus. Also would be able to support fairly large colonies.

Alternatively, we could use craters on Mars and create artificial atmosphere by either generating an atmosphere with machines or simply creating a giant solar mesh around the crater.

we have to terraform moon first

It's science-fiction meme.

>Venus seems a lot easier to work with.

You know what's better than Venus? Mercury! About the same gravity as on Mars, shitton of water and nice temperatures in polar regions, shitton of sunlight so power is a non-issue and it still has a magnetosphere. I don't know why there's so little interest in Mercury colonization.

Why the fuck would anyone do that?

Just build habitats within the lava tubes no need to terraform anything that doesn't even have similar gravity to earth.

How fucking retarded are you?

If they can, they will.

maybe because it's 500C in the day and -200C at night

Star Wars is just a movie kids. This shit will never happen.

Basement dwelling will be great.

cant elol musk send a sporeship and forget about mars for a few years

our planet is doing fine, it's us that are treating it like children running amok, but don't worry, it will survive us by millions of years

The first few ships to mars will be robotic ships that starts building basic infrastructure for future manned landings.

do you retards even understand basic physics? planetary atmospheres are always being stripped away by natural processes, the reason planets like Earth and Venus (which has no meaningful magnetic field to speak of, by the way) maintain theirs is because they have processes in place that counteract those forces, even Mars had that at one time before it eventually grew dormant

there's nothing that stops you from bulking up the atmosphere of a body as large as Mars as long as you can put something in place to maintain it against the increased solar wind stripping and evaporation, which would still be on the order of hundreds or even thousands of years

>Venus (which has no meaningful magnetic field to speak of, by the way)

>It's pretty sad that we won't see it happen in our lifetime.
nobody will see it happen because that shit would take several thousand years at which point there won't be any humans left to see it. you think Earth went from a giant fireball to a green paradise in 100 years or something? even if we had the technology it would be an absurdly long, difficult and economically inviable process

colonization of mars will happen via underground settlements and biodomes on the surface, terraforming is a meme

Not everywhere. There are places in the polar regions where it's comfy -100 all day every day with all the water you need.

You can also create localized atmosphere like a crater city if you have a city-generated magnetic field above. And some atmospheric generator like

>they have processes in place that counteract those forces
like what

In the case of Earth there's flora and fauna dumping gases into the atmosphere 24/7 which is what created the atmosphere in the first place

we don't have such robots.

SpaceX is in the process of creating those robotic ships.

Lolwut atmospheres are not created by plants

We can't even control the climate on our own planet.

In fact they do the opposite: convert atmosphere into coal and oil.

>Mars averages 0°
So just send Canadians with oxygen masks, that's warmer than Winnipeg

We can to a degree, but doing so would be considered immoral and unethical in most cases.

try do less evil, usa, and you will get less punishments

That's illegal. No country can make any claim of the moon due to some shitty treaty.

Was this whole conversation just so you could say something really stupid to try and get (You)s?

>not making comfy cloud cities in venus

We just genocide all of china and everything will get better.

Its actually ~0F on highs and ~ -120F on lows. With average being -60F +-60F. So it would be colder than Antartica by 1-2x.

Reducing global warming isn't the same as controlling the climate.

If we can't even lower earth's temperature by 2 degrees at will then what hope is there at terraforming Mars?

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Precision change is harder than drastic change. We can easily change Mars temp with nukes. We just not b ablation to control the precise temp

The Chinese are the #1 polluter of the entire planet several times over. Climate change can be done much easier in an enclosed space. Say we went to the moon and then dug underground. It would be way safer and cheaper than building regular on surface installations. From there we can do experiments on how to perhaps terraform.

>The Chinese are the #1 polluter of the entire planet several times over.

America is a very close second.

And if you count the pollution created to make cheap Chinese crap for American consumers then USA is still #1.

True the USA is 2nd but by a very large margin. For any kind of terraforming creating a kind of global warming would be good. I remember reading a few years back about pumping mars full of CO2 to melt the ice caps and to make the tempratures more constant. This would take several thousand years mind you. The best thing to do is to start at the moon as it is close and do many experiments there. Having all your eggs in one basket is not the best plan. Spreading into the stars would ensure our survival.

>terraforming
It just means to alter earth, it's not special. Aboriginals in Australia did it by accident; after 40,000 years of fire-hunting, they turned Australia from a verdant mega island into a barren shithole lmao. We know from soil samples.

We were talking about greenhouse gases, not smog.

And per capita to put it in perspective.


Killing Americans is a far more effective way to save the planet.

What's up with the leafs?

>Spreading into the stars would ensure our survival.
lol
and then what? play virtual reality games, except on venus?

if we were to throw a large enough asteroid at it there's a good chance it would turn the core molten again, giving it a proper magnetic field

They produce shitloads of very polluting oil/tar/coal products to sell to America.

>They de-terraformed an entire continent
Holy fuck that's just embarassing

I thought the plan was to nuke the Martian icecaps

thats one of the plans but i think asteroid flinging would be cooler

It actually isn't. If you actually knew anything about the graph you're posting, you'd realize that the low 'world average' implies that Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico and China have the greatest effect on total greenhouse gas emissions.

If you completely eliminated the emissions from Canada, US, Russia, Japan, and the entire EU, I doubt the world average would drop more than 20%.

To really cut greenhouse gas emissions you have to focus on the 3rd world, not the 1st world.

We used to have a tree that had nuts the size of a soccer ball.

see USA alone is 18%

Just one question
What if you miss?

Even if you manage to build up the atmosphere there is no magnetosphere to hold it onto the planet.

nuke it

>If you completely eliminated the emissions from Canada, US, Russia, Japan, and the entire EU, I doubt the world average would drop more than 20%.

It's 42%.

there alot of energy in 14,900 nuclear warheads
and that's just what we have lying around

You think the atmosphere is going to vanish in a couple weeks? It would take hundreds to thousands of years, wouldn't matter much considering the lifespan of humans.

>caring about the penal planet, Mars

>implying pluto wouldn't make the best penal colony because of its distance from home

Not a planet I'm afraid family.

Earth will be humanities penal planet.

Sure is punishing to have to live on the planet our bodies were designed for, those Mars cucks are so lucky to have to wear special suits and shit

>transport rocks and shit to mars until it's the size and mass of earth
>now it can have an atmosphere

how is this a problem??