>General Always consider an SSD if you can afford one and buy an HDD later. If you want to use WiFi, you will need a Wireless Network Adapter. General rule of thumb is 2.4ghz or 5ghz.
>If you want help Assemble a part list: pcpartpicker.com/ Remember, we're not here to build a parts list for you, we're here to help you. If your part list has a monitor, list the monitor specs that you need. State your budget, currency, and usage scenarios. Learn how to build a PC: youtu.be/VhdV2wv3jQs
>CPUs A8-9600 - Absolute bare minimum gaymen, does not require a dedicated GPU. R5 1400 - Best with OCing & high-speed RAM. i5-8400 - Best value for gaymen R5 1600 - Best value for mixed uses R7, used Xeon, Threadripper, or 8700k - Heavy multi-tasking & mixed uses
>GPUs * Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up, using an old GPU or waiting to build may be a good idea right now. 1060 3GB - 1080p 60hz at medium/high settings, anything below this just buy an Optiplex and put this GPU or better in. 1060 6GB or RX 580 - 1080p 60hz at ultra settings, former supports G-Sync, latter supports Freesync 1070 - 1080p 144hz / 1440p 60hz at ultra settings 1080 TI - 1440p 144hz / 4k 60hz at ultra settings
>RAM * RAM costs so much because newer phones use DDR4 memory. Check your Mobo's QVL if your on a Ryzen platform Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200MHz is ideal
Do I really need the VMware OS to Virtualize properly on my R7 1700? I get shit/decent performance on VMware Workstation Pro 14, but I heard ESX was way better, any info?
Ethan Collins
So now that the news about z370 strix having shit voltage control is out there, what are good mobos to look for in 150-200 price range? Looking to go 8700k 5ghz OC and just game. Prefer for it to not be tacky as fuck like taichi
Or should I just say fuck it and just run stock until they fix voltage with bios down the road.
Kevin Jackson
>Always consider an SSD if you can afford one and buy an HDD later. This is bullshit
Gavin Martin
forever and ever!
Parker Hill
Suggestions to improve the OP are always welcome. At least you read it.
Austin James
How?
Andrew Carter
What would you rather have, 8 times more space or start up windows 7 seconds faster?
Michael King
SSDs are also quieter.
Benjamin Edwards
The actual CPU recommendations:
>A8-9600 - extremely light gaming if you can't afford a dedicated GPU >G4560/G4600 - non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >i3 8100 - Better budget CPU; extra cost of the currently available Z mobos lessens the value of the CPU >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use >i7 8700K - 144Hz gaming and higher, out of stock pretty much every due to paper launch
Kayden Kelly
Well, if soneone is spending money on a PC they probably want an SSD to store their operating system and af ew important games or programs. a 250gb or even 120gb SSD would be enough for a few weeks so you could save up 40$ to buy a 1tb HDD.
Samuel Rivera
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Lucas Kelly
Both, which is why it's better to get the SSD first and then add in a HDD for storage. Otherwise you'll have to reinstall or migrate your OS and programs
Jordan Ramirez
stop recommending the g4560 it's not good
Nathaniel Evans
It's not just about start up speed.
Jose Turner
Oh but it is, retard.
Kayden Gray
Why are Intel's CPUs so underwhelming lately? It feels like they aren't trying at all. Coffee lake is just Kaby Lake with more cores, in some benchmarks the 7700K is doing better than the 8700K.
What went wrong at Intel? Have their balls dropped or something? Every new CPU just feels like it's a half assed abomination
not just windows >all important application >muh gaymes >quieter
not to mention I've never had an SSD physically fail while I've had 2 HDDs die
James Butler
>Have their balls dropped You don't know what that expression means.
Secondly AMD is still below Intel if you consider let's say an R3 1200 clocked at 3.6GHz and an i3 8100 (same number of cores/threads and same clockspeed). No company can / will do any better. Worth noting that x86 is pretty fucking old now and IPC is stuck as is clockspeed unless there's a node shrink.
Jayden Ward
Literally nobody gives a fuck about iGPUs except you. You're the same retard who's been shitting up the thread shilling Bulldozer-based APUs for a while now. Ebin trolling man, I'm sure lots of people have bought one of those pieces of shit based on your say so. :^)
Joshua Hughes
THOSE VIDEOS SHOW SYSTEMS WITHOUT A DEDICATED GRAPHICS CARD. Jesus, I honestly cannot believe your stupidity.
Benjamin Gomez
What raid configs are common and good for 2 ssds
Henry Cox
I see. This is the video game console assembly thread.
Didn't look at the videos, but am currently using an iGPU.
Nathaniel Johnson
Get rekt faggot. G4560 performs way better than any current APU with a graphics card.
If you want to play at 720p Low at 20-30FPS with an APU, go right ahead.
Jackson Howard
But they did, Coffee Lake is barely better than Kaby Lake, in some benchmarks it does worse than the 7700K, people got jewed big time by having to buy a new motherboard when CL was supposed to be the last CPU family for the 1151 socket, and if you buy a CL you're buying a dead socket already. By what kind of metric is this shit remotely good?
Who knows maybe the CPUs will start flying off the shelves but it's just a shitty deal.
Julian Scott
This is the PC building thread. If anybody is thinking of putting together a new build for gaming using an iGPU, which is what the autist Bulldozer spammer recommends, they should kill themselves.
Adam Young
>gaming When are you going to grow up?
Jonathan Cox
No one cares about iGPUs except laptop shitters with a 1366x768 screen. A GTX 1030 is around $75 and an RX 550 is around $90. Both will give you a much better experience than an iGPU, especially AMD since Bristol Ridge is absolute shit. The A8-9600 is absolute poverty-tier, it's only for extreme poorfags who might be able to save up for Ryzen eventually.
Zachary Kelly
If you don't play games, the G4560 iGPU is great. 4K netflix streaming, etc. No reason to get an APU that's hotter and overall worse even for browsing. The APUs' only "advantage" is being able to play games at 720p Low.
Jaxson White
>a hobby or activity can no longer be enjoyed after an arbitrary age when are you?
Kayden Hill
Did anyone ever build a home server with an MSI B150M PRO-DDP, using ECC RAM? I can't wrap my head around how or why a 60 bucks board should support ECC RAM.
Cameron Lopez
That's the thing, even if you're a normie who doesn't play games the Pentium is still better, the iGPU on Bristol Ridge is good but the CPU itself sucks and bottlenecks even doing basic Windows tasks.
Christopher Perez
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Christian Walker
>The A8-9600 is absolute poverty-tier, it's only for extreme poorfags who might be able to save up for Ryzen eventually. Those people should wait for the Vega/Zen APUs then. No extreme poorfag should be buying an R3 or above
Samuel Cruz
>triggered manchild No, seriously, when are you going to grow up?
Mason Anderson
>Coffee Lake is barely better than Kaby Lake Where did you get this moronic notion? Game engines are already maxed out by current CPUs, so there's no where for them to go. "Productivity" aka multithreaded performance definitely did go up.
Carson Nelson
>he never grew out of gaming >he never stopped watching cartoons >he still has He-man sheets on his race car bed >vegetables are yucky
Luke Martin
Actual graphics card recommendations. Retards can't into Hz
GPUs: Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >RX 550/560 and GTX 1030/1050 - very low budget, consider getting a used GPU instead >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4Gb 580 if you want to overpay a little >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070 / 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced. Vega 56 and 64 are decent choices if you undervolt but availability is low. >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 4K >GTX 1080Ti
Isaac Barnes
probably never then, I'll just keep enjoying myself simmer down
Blake Jackson
>General rule of thumb is 2.4ghz or 5ghz. Who the fuck wrote this? They are literally the only choices.
Kevin Allen
Is it pure autism to install windows without a internet connection? My thinking is I want to install the newest drivers from my mobo websites before windows tries to install whatever driver it pulls down from windows update. So I install windows, drivers, then plug in my network cable to let windows update.
Christian Nelson
Clearly a moron.
Carson Wood
I'd at least get the GPU driver, almost guaranteed to be extremely outdated from windows update.
Jayden Jackson
in some game benchmarks the 7700K does better than the 8700K, how's that not a fucking shit deal? I never said it is worst at everything
John Scott
It means pick one not both you insufferable retard. Learn the meaning of or sometime.
Lincoln Perry
This is almost never true and certain not true on average, and when the 7700K "does better" than the 8700K it's a few FPS, within margin of error.
Adrian Ward
Not him, but maybe pcbg's op isn't a place to give out networking advice.
Not our problem.
Matthew Lopez
>reddit spacing >defending a retard
Jaxson Williams
If you get 5GHz, it will have 2.4GHz connectivity as well by default. You are a fucking moron and have no business writing the OP.
Gavin Lewis
And furthermore as I already stated game engines are max out by for instance high end Kaby Lake CPUs. So of course there's going to be an almost non existant performance increase because the limiting factor is the GAME ENGINE and in realistic scenarios the graphics card.
Dominic Scott
Can a cheap $120 Z370 handle a 8600K close to 5 GHz, assuming my sillicon can get there? Something like 6 phases VRM.
Also my cooler rated for 130 W TDP. Can it handle too or should I buy another one?
Jason Gray
Sapphire Pulse rx 560 (2GB) or Zotac gtx 1050 mini (2GB)? There are better options but i want to know which one is better for overall use.
Evan Cox
1050 for power consumption reasons
Nolan Lopez
What are some good mini-itx cases? Are handles actually useful, or just a dumb meme?
Julian Richardson
>AMDrone OP removing the 8700k and 8100 again
Cameron Long
The 8100 is actually a worse value than the Ryzen 3, even in gaming, especially with the more expensive mobos. The clockspeed isn't that high and there's no turbo. The 8700K clearly has a niche though, it's annoying that someone keeps removing it.
Brandon Ward
>Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM, 3200MHz is ideal so why does logicalincrements recommend 2800 on 1600 builds?
William Bell
>The 8100 is actually a worse value than the Ryzen 3, even in gaming, especially with the more expensive mobos. Not according to
Hunter Ross
When will we see 8700k vs Ryzen benchs with variations of Vega 56 / 64?
Alexander Ramirez
LI is a bit retarded
Luke Baker
Hardware Unboxed already has some in their latest reviews. On a related note, seems Nvidia does not play well with Ryzen in DX12
Zachary Allen
i3-8100 is $160 with a $120 mobo, while the R3 1200 is $110 and 1300X is $130 with a $60 mobo. You can overclock both to a constant 3.6 GHz and pretty much match the i3. >youtube.com/watch?v=HM8ZSA-afRU He overclocked his Ryzen to 3.9GHz, which is probably a little much on a stock cooler, but you get the idea. There's really no reason to buy the 8100 until next year.
Also I already made the point that this faggot is running up against a GPU bottleneck by using a GTX 1060. I'm not saying that an R3 1200 with OC + fast RAM is a bad combo with a GTX1060 (it's a good combo) but thinking that the OC on the R3 can make it match the i3 8100 in NON graphics card limited scenarios is fantasy.
Isaac Powell
Oh, it was $160 two days ago, Newegg must have gouged the price due to demand. It's sold out now so the $120 is basically a placeholder until it's back in stock. Funny seeing newegg do the same thing as Microcenter did with their $500 i7's.
Isaac Lewis
garbage list. amd make the only cpus that matter right now. 1200 - budget 1600 - good 1700 - great 1950x - rich
Kayden Watson
>have enough money saved for my new PC and about to pull the trigger >$700 on medical + eye consultations >$2500 moving cost because I am so sick of flatmates >$120 bill for gas FUCK sake
Daniel Watson
Turns out you have a garbage brain if you actually think that.
Check benchmarks.
Jaxson Nelson
But his whole deal is budget gaming. Someone buying either a Ryzen 3 or i3 will never pair them with something as powerful as a 1080Ti, which makes the difference between them purely academic.
Made a 8700k/1080ti build. Can anyone help me with mobo, case, cooling, psu? Not sure if it seems right or not. I'm new to this shit.
Also is delidding shitty? I have never done it before. I'm kinda scared since I'm sure the 8700k heats up quite a bit.
Nathan Diaz
All the locked CPU's are pointless since they're locked to Z370 though. To be honest Coffee lake is largely a failure, there's not a single CPU worth buying except the 8700K for the people who are willing to pay as much money as possible for 1080p/240fps.
Jace Garcia
Muricaaa fuck yeahh
Bentley Jones
No need to delid, goyim. And Ryzen does not exist.
Elijah Diaz
>1600x is only $10 more expensive than the 1600 on my list - neat >no stock cooler rused again
Easton Gray
You could probably see the difference even with a GTX 1070. Regardless, if I were to buy a new CPU right now, I'd make sure to buy one that can keep almost any game above 60FPS in non-GPU limited situations. I know that I can slightly lower graphics settings and significantly improve framerates, but I can't do the same if there's a CPU bottleneck (excluding the draw distance setting, which can help alleviate CPU bottleneck). The R3 1200 with an OC is right on the edge of that 60FPS AVERAGE mark (which means there will be drops).. so I'd be very tempted by the i3 8100.
Brandon Campbell
i have checked the benchmarks. in the end, the 8700K is still a 6 core that costs $400 without a cooler. the 1700 is an 8 core that costs $300 with a great cooler. add in mobo costs, and you're paying over $200 for 2 less cores and mostly marginal fps increases. a 8700K/1080 build costs more than a 1700/1080Ti build, with the latter being far superior.
Handles are dumb, go LianLi or Fractal. Modular PSU is a must.
Gavin Jackson
>All the locked CPU's are pointless since they're locked to Z370 though What is upgrade path? What is fast RAM? B and H chipsets will be limited to 2400MHz RAM with the i3s otherwise. It's the Intel tax.
>To be honest Coffee lake is largely a failure, there's not a single CPU worth buying Embarrassingly naive. Clearly the i3 8100 and the i5 8400 are both awesome for the price. How many times do I have to cite this benchmark before you shut the fuck up with your unfounded claims?
Jaxon Scott
Oh and Silverstone are quite good at mITX
Bentley Green
>What is upgrade path? What upgrade path? You realize the 300-series is a one gen platform? There is just Coffee lakeand nothing else, Ice Lake is a new socket. And what's the point of upgrading an i5 8400? 6C/6T to 6C/12T for $300? What a steal! And that benchmark isn't that impressive, I don't understand why you keep spamming links to it. Honestly I believe all Intel processors should be removed from the OP until Spring 2018 except the used Xeon part. Maybe the 8700k for high refresh rate gaming, but it's a massive ripoff still.
Carson Gonzalez
I mean I am, all major drivers get installed before I plug in the network cable
Owen Lewis
Who's talking about the i7 8700K exclusively? No one. There are a bunch of other CPUs in the Coffee Lake lineup. Anyway for gaming the R7 1700 is marginally better than the R5 1600. You're lost in the "moar coars" marketing without understanding the performance benefits or lack thereof that come with "moar coars."
If you're playing at 1440p 144Hz with a 1080Ti an i5 8400 is the CPU to get. Pairing an R7 1700 with a 1080Ti is stupid. The R7 is a productivity chip, so your hypothetical "1700/1080Ti" build is NOT "far superior" and in fact is INFERIOR.
Check. benchmarks.
Joseph Foster
just got pic related and have an i5 4670k and was wondering if that would be a bottleneck?
Easton Phillips
>What upgrade path? Considering we're talking about about starting from an i3 8100, obviously the i5 8400 or i7 8700 would both be huge upgrades.
>And that benchmark isn't that impressive It's to keep your Ryzen fantasies in check. Notice that you can basically max out all games at 1080p with a sub 200USD chip (the i5 8400).
>Honestly I believe all Intel processors should be removed from the OP until Spring 2018 Clearly you're a fanboy, considering you can't even see that the i5 8400 is amazing for high refresh rate gaming.
Luke Gonzalez
>kaby lake >coffee lake what is with these gay names?
Dominic Hughes
The i5 won't bottleneck a 1060.
Jeremiah Clark
Is it worth having an SSD for windows only and a HDD for everything else? Will I see any benefit other than boot times, like general speed within windows?
Lucas Roberts
>Who's talking about the i7 8700K exclusively? No one. There are a bunch of other CPUs in the Coffee Lake lineup. yes, and none of them are better than the 1700 when it comes to price to performance. >Anyway for gaming the R7 1700 is marginally better than the R5 1600. if you are willing to spend over $1000 on a pc for just gaming, you're retarded. its the same reason why nobody recommends 8 gigs of ram anymore. multi tasking, streaming, video editing, etc. are so common, and the 2 cores are a significant advantage, especially when its $200 cheaper. >The R7 is a productivity chip, so your hypothetical "1700/1080Ti" build is NOT "far superior" and in fact is INFERIOR. the productivity chip is only marginally worse for gaming, but clearly superior overall. as i said before, a 1700/1080Ti build is clearly superior to a cuck lake build.
Joseph Martinez
any good reason not to buy this
i have a 1070
Jaxon Fisher
>$400 fuck I wish I was a yank
Elijah Stewart
you go 1, 3 or 1 & 1 vertical
2 is retarded
Jason Brooks
ok im going to be honest i have no idea what you are trying to say here
Kevin Scott
>$400 for 144Hz anything fuck me it would almost be cheaper to FLY to america buy parts then fly back
Adrian Hall
Palit GTX 1060 w/ 6G Micron for 310 USD or Palit GTX 1060 w/ 3G Samsung for 260 USD
Will probably play PUBG, it's very unoptimized, so probably more VRAM will be handy, right? Are 3 gigs of slightly lower clocked memory worth ~50 bucks? I'm not in USA btw. Thanks in advance.
Asher Hughes
If I want to stream/game/edit with 1440p 165hz, what is a solid build? Budget is about $2500. Ideally I want a 1080ti, maybe a 7700k. I'm not sure I want to wait to get the new 8000s that are out. I'm not sure how long the wait will be and it will be extra money to spend for potentially not a crazy amount of performance boost.
If anyone could send me a build, I would be forever grateful.
