Why do western liberals often protect Muslims? I mean, in Russia liberals are anti-Islamic /anti-Christian...

Why do western liberals often protect Muslims? I mean, in Russia liberals are anti-Islamic /anti-Christian, they are basically against religion because religion is a conservative thing. Why aren't western liberals like that, or all that "liberals support muslims" is just a meme?
And yes, let's divide anti-racism and being anti-Islamic because it's not a race, it's just another retarded religion which hates gays, women, modern world etc. If you imply that when liberal says anything against racism/nationalism towards Arabs he is pro-Islamic, it's stupid. Or do they really support wearing hijab and other stupid shit? If yes, than why?

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They support people's freedom to practice Islam.
>Russian liberals
sounds like an oxymoron to me

it is simple, they were manipulated by the jews

Liberals(atleast in the US) are usually concerned with, many time unintentionally, being anti-Western(where they perceive the West having any backbone as evil) rather then wanting to support individual rights in every aspect, which inherently makes them anti-Christian instead of just anti-religion.

They exist and most of 2ch is pretty liberal. Putin keeps them down though.
>freedom to be retarded
Dude, that's what I mean. Our liberals are against all religions, and it's highly logical because religion promotes conservative values and ideas. Why aren't western liberals so hard about secularism?
Freedom of practicing religion should have borders. Ideally religion should stay as a faggot corner for old people and retards. You should have freedom to practice anything but as far as it doesn't go against progress. Puting headscarfs on women of refusing to eat pork because of religious idiocy should be ashamed and speeches against """"sins"""" shouldn't be allowed at all. This goes not only for Islam, but for all religions. Our liberals were shocked and angry when bunch of "orthodox activists" destroyed Mephistopheles statue or attacked art exhibition last year, pushed on authorities to ban movies and plays they don't like etc.

Being anti-western doesn't mean to be anti-Christian only. It's about being against any retardness and conservatism. West did ton of shit in the past so they hate it and it's correct, but they did it in much grade because of conservative agenda. And Islam spreads the same type of agenda. Those are abrahamic religions, they differ only with rhetorics.

Two reasons.

Liberals pretty much always want to protect the downtrodden. Muslims in the West are generally disprivileged, because they're usually poor immigrants and often get treated poorly for being Muslim. There are a lot of very legitimate reasons to oppose the spread of Islam, but this criticism is sometimes manifested in mean ways, like bullying of individual Muslims or the burning of mosques. So many liberals can only see Muslims as victims, and believe criticism of Islam is unfair. In addition, there's a post-colonial idea that it's offensive for Westerners to tell others how to live. So instead of openly criticizing Islamic misogyny, Western feminists lionize Muslim feminists who criticize Islam without the burden of privilege.

The second and less prominent reason is pragmatism. By not opposing Islam, liberals can build a coalition with Muslims. Because Muslims are a pretty substantial voting bloc in most European countries, gaining the trust of Muslims can help win elections. A minority of liberals also believe that even if Muslims have conservative patriarchal beliefs, they can be useful allies in opposing the existing paradigm that harms women, minorities, and non-Christians.

Hysterical conservatives will often say that liberals "want to destroy Western culture", but that's false. The liberals who do wish to change Western culture want it to be more accepting of the less fortunate. No liberals want Western culture to be more Islamic, only more tolerant. Liberals generally have no real love for Islam as an ideology.

Does Russia really have liberals? I thought all your non-conservatives were commies.

Nah, Jews are usually anti-Muslim even if they're liberals. This is why some liberal groups (Black Lives Matter, perhaps most notably) have undercurrents of Anti-Semitism. Even Jewish critics of Israel tend to be more wary of Islam than gentile liberals, because radical Muslims often talk about killing Jews.

>Ours liberals are against all religion
Then they aren't very liberal. Liberalism is about personal freedom, which includes freedom of religion.

Bit it's illogical. If Muslim are minority, it's easier to influence them so they should not protect retarded beliefs but crack down on them asap
As I said many times before the main method to destroy terrorism in the west is to make it blazing liberal, literally make a liberal, secular storm around Muslims.

Not all liberals are the same. If you think all liberals are tumblr sjw extremist then you're retarded and the same as saying that all conservatives are stormfront nazis. Most "liberals" here don't give a fuck about muslims because they hardly exist in the US. Even then a lot of liberals I met don't like them because they're big fedora tippers and think that all religions are evil.

Because liberals are utterly terrified of appearing racist.

Our liberals used to be the same, but then terrorism rose, and anti-islamic sentiments with it. After all, most people in the western world until then hadn't so much as spoken to a muslim.
The left in most places felt that that group was being persecuted, and rode to their defense out of a sense of justice.
Problem now is that it's gotten out of hand. Even a liberal such as myself has to admit that I've been becoming more centrist as time goes on. It's just blatent ignorance for the sake of blind ideals.
Then again if I said that I would be labeled racist by most of my friends who seem to have rode the crazy train with the rest of the left in the US. Then again I blame the media for that one. People naturally don't like to think, so if the media sends out an agenda it will be picked up more readily.

I definitely agree that liberal attitudes toward Islam can be ineffective or even harmful.

Liberal politicians avoid cracking down on Islam because they want Muslim votes.

Liberal activists avoid cracking down on Islam because they believe that's colonialist.

There is some evidence to suggest that crackdowns can indirectly encourage radicalization by alienating Muslims from their greater society, but surveillance is necessary to ensure that Muslims are not being directly radicalized by Wahhabist preachers.

>russian liberals
most russians on Sup Forums and 2chan are libs though

We actually have the largest Muslim community in the West.

But because we're such a big country, and because our Muslims tend to live in suburbs rather than urban enclaves, Muslims are less important here politically.

>they are basically against religion
I think they are for a secular state and not against religion. Religion can live on it's own pretty good now.

Because imo western liberalism is more muh morals oriented. Sadly they are irrational and do not see how muslim norms and values undermine theirs a lot. They need to learn that there should be limits to what is a normal acceptable way of thinking.

Theyre hypocritical fuckwits because theyre anti nazi in general and condemn that way of thinking, whereas theyre supportive of muslims even if they have extreme thoughts that fall into the same moral categor as nazistic thoughts.

Fuck this I want to be ruled by a rational technocratic robot that is void of any emotional biased bs input.

Horrible.

It's more like a fear of sin, rather than concern about perception.

More radical liberals believe criticism of Islam by a Westerner is usually inappropriate, because Westerners rarely have any substantial understanding of Islam. This is why liberals love figures like Malala, because they can criticize more odious aspects of Islam from an internal standpoint.

These kinds of liberals tend to think that they would betray their own convictions of tolerance by broadly condemning Muslims for their faith. Liberals are a little like Christians in this regard. If you ever go on intensely liberal Tumblr blogs, you'll see a lot of curious displays of self-doubt, confession, and repentance.

2 words:

Cognitive dissonance

they support anything that is hostile to the west

silly goy

You see, Muslims used to be firmly in the Republican camp. Then 9/11 happened and the Bush asministration's response alienated most of them. Liberals saw an opportunity to seize a new demographic group, and here we are now.

Our commies are meme now.
Putin is conservative right himself and the only opposition we have are either nationalists who are righter than Putin or liberals.
Idk, I make my opinion on western politics based on Sup Forums because I don't know a lot of western sites (I like reddit too but it's interface isn't friendly).
But the racism has nothing to do with religion. If people talk hate speech about brown people they are stupid racists but if they talk about Muslims they aren't.
In my opinion, freedom of religion means that all the religions should be equally oppressed and criticized.
Well, nazis are persecuted too, so what? It's okay to persecute people who keep absolutely backward ideas, especially religious.
>Muslim voters
In all the Europe is not bigger than 7-8% and not all of them are really religious and could still support liberals. And this would attrack people who had went at least centrist because of liberals avoiding criticism of Islam.
>alienating
No, rightard real persecuting of Muslims would do so. Brainwashing with secularism and liberalism would stop the alienation.

Because they haven't had a terrorist attack happen to them explicitly. 9/11 footage looks like a movie, there's no video footage of the Orlando or San Bernadino shootings, so no one has a taste of reality.

>Muslims used to be firmly in the Republican camp.
Yes, it's logical. Islam is an another abrahamic religion, it's fuckin conservative. Muslims in Russia are almost always pro-Putin.
You could say that about any unknown small religion, but not about Islam which is of the same root with Christianity and Muslims and Christians (well, not western Christians but still) has been living together for ages. Of course you can criticize Islam as any other religion, especially abrahamic one. It's basically the same to Judaism and Christianity and especially Judaism.
>le obey the elders and authorities
>le woman is propriety of husband
>le """immoral""" is banned

Muslims in the US tend to he pretty wealthy.

If the GOP dropped the Christian Conservatism, they could easily gain Muslim Americans as a voting block.

7-8% is enormous when most elections are won or lost by under 5% of the vote

It would take a few generations, I think. The GOP has already irrevocably tainted their image in the eyes of Muslims.

Because you cannot generalize all Muslims anymore than you can generalize all atheist or all Christians. Pic related.

Also many Muslims are women/gay and all Muslims are in the "modern world". I support womens choice to wear hijab or not.

And blacks, and Hispanics, and gays, and most young people...

Most liberals don't believe that it's okay to persecute people despite backwards Ideas. The idea is to "teach" them the western ways, instead of persecuting them.
Although modern liberals aren't even interested in the teaching party anymore.

>le Stalin was bad meme

You're right, mass starvation due to failed policy is a great thing.
As well as reigns of terror, and purging anybody you disagree with.
All good things.

He was extremely bad and a mass murderer., Only difference is, he was atheist so lot of atheists on the internet think all his murderer was a-okay.

And yet....you don't see post like OP questioning if atheist are compatible with Western civilization. Wonder why?

If it was okay to persecute people based on backwards ideas, Islamaphobes would be one of the first people persecuted. You should be thankful liberals do want to educate you rather than persecute you.

Because anonymous image boards are basically breeding ground for various countercultures. That's why Sup Forums is always one of the most popular boards, on Sup Forums as well as on 8ch, dvach and other chans

That's just the thing. It feels to me like the established left doesn't care about that anymore.
Also I'm a liberal m8, vote for Obama, had ups and downs on that one, and still maintain liberal ideas.
My problem is that it doesn't seem to be about the educating anymore. The ideals of universal care for your fellow human being seems to have become an almost masochistic thing in Europe, and is being used as a mask for corruption here in the US.

The politician I agree with most on Policy is Hillary. I'm disgusted with that.

Because they've been brainwashed to believe Islam is a race issue.
Defending brown people takes precedence over bashing religion.

Yeah because bashing a minority religion worked so well in WWII....

>Because liberals are utterly terrified of appearing racist.

I can understand americans getting it wrong, but you should know better

Because atheism is a Western philosophy? It's literally an aspect of Western civilization.

>russian liberals

no such thing

Do you imply all the rightists were a victims of terrorism? I'm talking about Islam as religion, not about political Islam and terrorism, I guess no one supports it.
Secular, modern Muslims are okay. But we can acquire such a people only with crackdown on religion. We gained adequate Christians because Christianity has been critiqued since Voltaire .
That's what I am talking about. Mass criticism of rightards should include criticism of Islam because it's pure conservatism. I see nothing wrong in opposing backward people.
But it's stupid. If you bash Arab for his appearance it's racism, not when you critique Islam.

Well, western liberals are usually at the mercy of the far left-fringes. It's like how Sweden has imported ''black lives matter'', it's only a fringe group that actually cared enough to get it started in Sweden, but now, if you're a liberal, you have to agree with it otherwise you're a racist and that's the worst thing a liberal could possibly be called, ever.

Furthermore, liberals are definitely not interested in western civilisation as it stands today, even though it is by FAR the most inclusive and egalitarian culture in the world.

And as for Muslims, you can definitely generalise when it comes to them. There have been PLENTY of polls made of both muslims in muslim countries and muslims in the west.

In Sweden, a leftist organisation polled 10 000 teenage girls in ''segregated'' areas of Stockholm. 85% of them reported that their fathers/brothers won't allow them to even have a friend from the opposite gender, MUCH less date someone.

Islam and Muslims are incompatible with western culture in every way, and the ''not all muslim''-crowd are just going on about the statistically insignificant muslim population that has actually fully integrated into western society.

It might be different in the US, you only took in the best and the brightest Muslims. But we got the rabble, and trust me, rabble they are.

Lol. Atheism appeared in the West (in India 2bh but spreaded worldwide from the West) but it doesn't make it western, it's universal idea. It's like calling capitalism or computers western.
Dostoevsky was a good writer but awful person with retarded political views.

Why do conservatives hate Muslims when they like Muslim things like traditional gender roles, corporal punishment, and discouraging homosexuality?
Is it just because of Protestantism's link to Judaism and America's connection to Israel?
Is it just because they're brown?

Capitalism and computers are both western. You're right.

It's because conservative Christians want their societies to stay Christian.

Far left are comminists/anarchists, who are strictly anti-religious.
Also you shouldn't call people rabble, they are conservative retards deluded by religion, they just should be liberated from it. West has defeated Christianity once and should do the same with Islam.

The west has no responsibility to free the muslim world from their religion.

And we can't, unless there is real strife in that world to do it by themselves anyway.

They are rabble, and they are scum.

because conservatives spread fear to win votes so they can keep their cash flow and keep fucking 18-year-olds in their parties (or get fucked by male escorts)

Idk, they stand together here in Russia which is highly logical because they are both abrahamic religions sharing same values. I think they just do it because most of Muslim are brown.

We've use liberals to mean lefties as well
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Ah, yeah, so you are rightard. Okay. I don't talk about all the world, I'm talking about each own country. If you have religious retards, it strikes the whole society and makes lifes of people from religious families horrible. Religion also spreads conservatism which is cancer holding back the country.

I'm left when it comes to almost every issue. But not when it comes to Islam and the way they suck our societies dry and abuse them.

Progressivism is the current cancer in the west, it is causing all this trouble and making us weak.

I want the old type of social democracy that actually cared about worker protectionism and the nation state.

I support Muslims as people. I do not care for the religion.

So you would leave religious people alone to live in shit and mental slavery, let them enslave mentally their children etc?
Progressivism is okay and you should expand it on Muslims. Urge Muslim feminists, secularists, atheists, educate them etc. You're too small country to have more than few percents of religious people.