/tpg/: ThinkPad General

Previous thread: If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
>Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™

Recommended IBM models:
X60, X61, T60, T61, 860, Transnote, PC110

Recommended freefag models:
xx00 series, IBM xx0 series
Check www.libreboot.org for details.

Recommended modern models:
X220 - 12", 768p, cheap and light
T420 - 14", 900p, widely avaiable, socketed CPU, Ivy Bridge installable w/ Coreboot
T520 - 15", 1080p, Quadcore-CPUs
W520 - 15", 1080p, Desktop Replacement, 32GB RAM, USB 3.0

T440p, T540p, W540 - last ThinkPads to have replacable CPUs, IPS displays avaiable
P-series - reminiscent to old build quality, better than most mobile workstations, top-of-the-line specs but expensive
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Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain
>The best TrackPoint, great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
ktgee.net/tpg

New guides by xsauc:
dankpads.com

ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads & running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
lenovoservicetraining.com/>field

ThinkPad BIOS splash screen collection:
biosimage.booru.org/index.php

EPP discount for new ThinkPads:
pastebin.com/JVwVGVTW

Other urls found in this thread:

i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0460/75/1421203066335.jpg
notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html
youtube.com/watch?v=vKrYkBf7W88
tehnoetic.com/tet-n300db
tehnoetic.com/tet-n450db
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

guys

x230 for 250€ or t420 for 250€

want it for Uni, so it needs to be lightweight, robust, mobile and have good battery.

Thanks!

T420

would you mind to elaborate a bit?

look out for a cheaper X220. X230 isn't great especially if you think about the PCIe card limitations and battery limitations thanks to their EC changes. The X220 doesn't have any of these problems, the only two notable differences are the keyboard and the CPU being one generation apart which doesn't really affect IPC but the iGPU, the HD4000 is alot better than the HD3000, but for general stuff both should do the job just fine. if you can't find a cheaper X220, just get that X230. T420 would be better performance-wise but a lot heavier and bulkier.

the EC change can be removed by flashing the bios patch.

thanks!

performance is not really important for me. i won't be running anything more demanding than SPSS.

250€ for x220 with 8 GB RAM and 128 GB SSD... is that a decent price?

x200, x201 or x220 ?

Why isn't the t430 in the op?

I know but for tech illiterates or people who don't like messing with their stuff even this might be impossible. I don't know about him.

What Thinkpads are : i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0460/75/1421203066335.jpg

8GB RAM is about 40-50€
128GB SSD is around 50€
it's alright, not the best of deals though if you ask me
beaten by T420 in every aspect
a lot more widely avaiable
cheaper
upgradeable to Ivy Bridge with Coreboot and T430 doesn't even have a coreboot page, keyboard sucks too
X200 for freefags that want libreboot
X201 is bullshit
X220 for everything else, it's still rather modern and can do almost everything you'd do on an everyday basis as a student (unless you do very heavy stuff, then you'd be better off with something else, see W-series and P-series)

That's decent. I managed to get mine for €150 and bought a 120gb ssd for 30 and 8gb DDR3 for 40. But if you don't feel like checking local ads for parts 250 isn't a terrible deal.

on the left:
either W700 or W701
unlikely W700ds or W701ds
on the right:
most likely T60 or T61
unlikely R60 or R61

Does the w520 have ips? Is the w530 with keyboard mod better than the w520?

>Buy W500 with 1920x1200 and 8 gb sticks for $150.
>Seller claims it's in A+ condition
>It arrives.
>Absolutely filthy, worn and missing some rubber feet
>the keyboard is fucking nasty looking particles on the inside of it
>makes a weird high pitched noise on standby, probably coil wine
>Again, advertised as "A+" condition and this motherfucker had the balls to write it on a post-it on the lid.
What should I do about this? The high res screen is nice sure but this thing is a shit heap.
Partial refund and replace the keyboard, palm rest and base cover?

C U C K E D
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what are your temps?

>also complain, and get reimbursed for the kb

full refund and keep that shit
talk with ebay about it
unless it is some other shady site, then you dun goofed

>Does the w520 have ips?
Nope.

It's ebay, and I payed with paypal.
I've actually never needed to ask for a refund before. My ebay account has like 50 stars and not a single negative review.
I assume that would help with credibility?
I haven't had time to check temps (3 exams this week) but it didnt seem hot on idle with the shitty win7 install he put on it.
Is coil whine fixable?

What determins display compatibility?
Is it possible to switch to a different panel that is ips if it has the same amount of pins, size, and resolution?

y-you too

Any update on stock of the Sup Forums toaster stickers?

one of the hook thingies that clip the screen part to the base on my 430 is broken. what must I replace to fix it?

How long can I expect a new genuine 44++ 9 cell battery to last in my x220 running Xubuntu. Will they have any wear out of the box?

Don't bother with genuine
Just get a knockoff every year or so, You'll get roughly the same amount of battery life
Do you mean the hinges? if not just look up t430 hmm on google, and find the FRU of the part that you wnat.
Generally it's only possible if it came with ips from the factory as an option. Or you can just get a T440p

not the hinges, the two L shaped hooks at the top of the screen that snap in place when the lid is closed and keep it that way

I've got a rather hard question, wondering if you guys can help me.


What is the best thinkpad for gayming?

Oh, I actually don't know. You could just buy a whole new screen assembly and screw it in. See if there's a FRU in the manual.
To expand on this, do I just open a claim and type out the issues? Is that how it works?
How do I ask for a full refund and not a partial one?

P52 with i9 when

...

These gen is full of neckbeards who just like to wear tinfoil hats and anime backgrounds. Find a diff place

It's funny to see those spergs claiming how thinkpad are exclusively for serious business and only fun allowed is ricing bios with underage vietnamese cartoon girls.

Since nobody seemed to answer yet, I'd say a T470p, as it has an Nvidia card. You can also get a T570 with one too I think. You could also try the P series which have Quadro graphics. Meant more for professional graphics work, but i'm sure it's more than enough to handle gaymes

I can play up to 2012 games just fine on my t530 with quadro

P51 has Quadro M1200/M2200 which are comparable with GeForce 960/965, so I think it's better option than T570 with GeForce 940

Don't the windows quadro drivers gimp the performance though?

What is the différence with and without libreboot

don't know, maybe, still performance in games is comparable according to notebookcheck
notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.13849.0.html

Which tlp battery threshold should i use to maximize the battery life?

h-howd I do?
normie enough?

Libreboot removes the Intel Management Engine. A proprietary subsystem in all intel processors that has been theorized to be capable of seeing everything that's on your screen, grabbing footage of you from the webcam, listening from the microphone, etc, and phoning home back to (((them))).

I'd like to get a ThinkPad for 2 main reasons, besides it being cheap:
>to fuck around with linux for the first time and do some crazy shit
>in general to have a backup computer that isn't a desktop for travel/emergency, since i lack it

Some dude nearby is selling his X200 (Tablet) for 120€. Good condition, 4gb RAM, 500gb HDD, 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo.
It's got Windows 10 Pro (it's going to be a shame wiping it off but whatever). Much honesty from his side - he claims the battery isn't that good anymore and it lasts a little over 2 hours.
Despite that, is that a good price/purchase? I was planning on asking him some questions (about the BIOS lock, etc. basically what was in the guide)

t. not a Sup Forumsentooman

I'm actually considering buying P51 for gayyming just to trigger all Adult Businessmans here.

it also removes your gpu and your usb ports.
((they)) don't want you using a mouse either

Why waste your money like that though?
A clevo would suit your needs better
10** series chips are significantly faster than even a 980m

>Core 2 Duo
>Not a freetard
No. You will want something with a better CPU.

Is this true? Would libreboot kill USB and the GPU?

Isn't it simply running Linux classifiable as freetard?
I don't also think it's going to overheat or freeze by having two webpages open. That's where my bar is set.

No, freetard is a word associated with someone who might install Trisquel after librebooting.

>Go through the trouble of flashing your bios
>invalidates all that with kernel blobs
You either go full freetard or don't bother

Freetard is someone who takes everything the Free Software Foundation and GNU say VERY seriously, and sees proprietary software as unethical

I'd rather buy XPS 15 than clevo

you have no idea what you're talking about
kindly fuck off

my p51 is for that.

need a i5 or i7 that would last me about 3years without problems, would play league of legends on it and just some casual student stuff is x230 a good option? I liked x1 carbon but it seemed like these normie plastic laptops so still didn't decide yet.

Why no pics with vidya on thinkpad?

Are you happy with that purchase?

>league of legends
>casual student stuff
Yeah that'll be fine, senpai

why senpai though?

guys i need some feedback here

>Trisquel
Why is Trisquel more "linux" than the other distros? It has no proprietary blobs or some shit?

I just learned that
F
A
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turns into that on this board.

that would get you a full refund. say some story now to not give the thing back

What do you mean?

Thought the term had a wider reach. I know some of these people and I understand their viewpoint but it's excessive.
Anyways I think is right since it apparently still runs well so I think I might set on this.
youtube.com/watch?v=vKrYkBf7W88
Will shoot the dude an email asking about the adapter and if the BIOS is locked.

mine was $4500 and i am one who has bunch of Monogatari stickers.

what the fuck are you even talking about
yes you won't be able to use a GPU on certain models but these GPUs are so fucking outdated you'd just be better off using the iGPU of these Intel chips, the USB ports all still work fine and you should be able to use every mouse
don't fucking spout shit like that dumb fucking nigger

Are you happy with spending $4500 on that? Do you render graphics or just gaymemes?

i had some luck with JPEGs but the quality really goes to shit

"Error: You must wait 5 minutes 8 seconds before posting an image reply."
dude..hiroyuki really killed this place

Okay. So how exactly do I get sister Misaka on my boot screen?

>you'd just be better off using the iGPU of these Intel
You kidding? My T400 can actually play 4k video (through mpv of course) on the amd card, but struggles with 1080p with the shitty intel graphics.
The intel graphics can't even handle doujin games like crimzon clover whereas the amd chip has no problem, even through PRIME and wine

>mouse
I'd like to shill BenQ Zowies. They are very comfy, high-quality, and they come with no extra driver program needed to do all the DPI/polling rate

>not using a trackball like a true thinkthusiast

>4k
>on a 900p screen
>through mpv
>doujin games

>implying I have a 900p screen
>Not playing comfy shumps on your memepad

Terrible. Take a lap. Let me try.

Received item in terrible condition. Didn't match pictured product at all. The laptop was absolutely filthy out of the box and missing several rubber feet, so it doesn't even sit level on my desk. The keyboard is disgusting, I suspect it has never even been in the same room as a cleaning solution. When I booted it, it began a high pitched whine that never stopped. Product also heats up to alarming temperatures when I attempt to access files, run a browser, or do anything that puts demand on it. The fan also appears to be completely broken, making a bizarre sound when it is supposedly spinning (which is all the time, given the heat problems). The trackpad and palm rests are completely worn down to an unusable level, definitely not the "Great" the seller advertised.

I took it to a repair shop and was quoted $120 to fix the heat issue and $50 to replace the disgusting keyboard, dead trackpad, and worn palmrests.

The casing is also scratched completely to hell. I have no words to describe my frustration with this situation, so you're going to have to read this description and use your imagination. This is a sick joke.

Just mentioned it because the high quality and no driver. The no driver part being important because these driver programs are always proprietary and never support GNU/linux.

What linux distro do you guys use on your thinkpads?

wow
that was beautiful
will reply with this pasta with ebay inevitably gets involved. This cheapass won't want to pay return shipping I bet.

agreed. no pics either

come now, where do you think you are? the very same polinesian fishing discussion forum that made popular the "pics or didnt happen" phrase.

Windows 10 LTSB.

well you have a 768p screen on your T400? alright
you'll go to hell for playing these perverted games soo

Happy to help, my dude. Having a well written ticket can make a huge difference when it comes to getting your voice heard. Especially when it's a third party mediating a buyer and a seller.

If you've been cheated, don't take anything less than everyone bending over backwards for you.

that is not a linux distro though.

some guy suggested you to get full refund and keep the thing right? keep the thing as he said, you can actually get the keyboard changed for cheap if you'd do it yourself(labour tho) or you could just use the hdd or just connect it to external monitor,keyboard and mouse and use it as homeserver or many purposes(NAS,etc..)

that was for
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Solus

once i you install libreboot, does anything stop working out of the box? like thinklight or wifi card or somethign?

Might not be a good idea to try and keep the item. As far as third party facilitators go, eBay doesn't really like it. They consider it a fulfilled agreement if you pay someone and they send you and item and you keep it.

If it was unacceptable and unusable, why would you want to keep it? At least, that's what eBay's gonna say. It's not worth it. Just send the shittop back and get a good one.

I use Qubes. Very safe OS, but I really like it because I'm able to run a Windows VM for those things I cannot use in Linux.

debian

is gnome actually stable on a T520?

The one that libreboot's website mentions is the dedicated GPU.
As far as the Wifi, that will stop working if it is a nonfree chipset, which can be fixed by replacing it with a free one.
Technoethical sells these:
tehnoetic.com/tet-n300db
tehnoetic.com/tet-n450db

You could also just buy thinkpads from them with the libreboot preinstalled. They accept bitcoin

Everything worked with me except few problems with my docking station.

>€74 for a fucking wlan card
freetards are this retarded

i wouldnt know, i dont have a t520 and im using xfce

Like a charm.

you know there are other ones?

pls post misaka bios image