Will Linux ever be considered "out of beta", a finished product, capable of replacing Windows entirely?

Will Linux ever be considered "out of beta", a finished product, capable of replacing Windows entirely?

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Linux replaced windows in all my machines since 2014

Just don't run rolling release or Ubuntu or Fedora.

I haven't touched Windows since 2011. Linux is a finished product, only problem is, the world and the government rely on proprietary software that has no Linux version. The only reason Linux cant replace Windows is Software and Hardware manufacturers. Only way to fix this would be growing the market share.

If linux is a beta then for me windows is like a pre-alpha that on top comes from an anti-competitive company that on top of that mistreats their users.

hear hear

>out of beta
Just don't use rolling releases

>lincucks
>crashes at nouveau, incompatible with nearly half the hardware
>windows
>just werks and installs in under a few minutes on ssd
keking at ur life

I was thinking to say:
>What is the proprietary driver
However thinking a bit more about it honestly the developers of nouveau nor their work deserve to be berated or mocked because they're already doing something great considering that nvidia don't help them and even actively blocks them by not releasing firmware images that are obligatory because they must be signed for newer hardware.
While i appreciate that nvidia was the first ones to provide a reasonably performing driver at the same time that doesn't mean i must like everything they does, and to be fair they're a company with a lot of nasty business practices that push crap even on their windows customers.

>just werks and installs in under a few minutes on ssd
Honestly if at least the claim that windows "just werks" was true probably i would still be using windows, sigh. Well, to be fair windows has been a reasonable occasional source of income thanks to people often asking me to fix their windows machines. If the "just works" were true i wouldn't get that small extra money, but for that same reason i honestly would never use windows again as my main OS. For me windows has practically become a "runtime", a proprietary and cumbersome runtimei'm obligated to use sometime. Yeah, that sounds good, if microsoft says "windows as a service" i guess for a lot of users of other operative systems "windows as a runtime" would be a good match.

>Linux is a finished product
If this is the finished product, I'm glad Google is creating their own because you autists are beyond delusional.

It really just needs good marketing, look at windows 10. is that even finished? shit is buggy as heck on certain systems.

if you have an aggressive advertising campaign it should do fine but throwing your money into linux is pretty redundant

Elaborate, it's not like windows or mac don't have it's own fair share of problems and honestly what says is very true. Honestly if i compare the quality linux or mac don't seem to be behind windows or mac and it even has it's own advantages. The problem is marketshare and third party support.

What is android

it was better than windows since day. A clone of a good OS

Mac and Windows are both exceptional desktop platforms.
Linux just isn't. Anons around here love to pretend it is because all they do is spend their entire day copying and pasting shit into a terminal to rice shit for desktop threads.
If you legitimately think Linux as of right now is a finished product, I really have nothing to say to someone who believes a desktop without a solid music player, abysmal printer support, sound issues out the ass, retarded graphic driver implementations, an ideological base divided on systemd is "a finished product".

Google is moving on. For good reasons too, linux is just a stopgap and absolutely nothing more. The problem isn't just "marketshare". Linux is on its way out because of third world shitters like you.

>Mac and Windows are both exceptional desktop platforms.
>Linux just isn't.
You didn't even explained why.

>Anons around here love to pretend it is because all they do is spend their entire day copying and pasting shit into a terminal to rice shit for desktop threads.
So your reasoning is "that features are for nerds and you don't want to be called a nerd right"? well, good luck at making someone fall for that.

Ok, according to you:
>a desktop without a solid music player
This is a matter of opinion at best. Pretty happy right now with cantata but you need to explain what you're referring to "solid music player".
>abysmal printer support
Most printer i've tried works ootb with almost no configuration necessary or provides a drivers for linux. I wouldn't call it abysmal and even more when you don't need to install bloated "software suites" with a lot of redundant and heavy software as on windows.
>sound issues out the ass
I guess it depends a lot on the hardware. Same as with the printers, mos sound hardware has worked fine for me even from the live installation media. You'll need to specify what problems did you have but mind that problems with certain pieces of hardware don't necessarily paints the whole panorama. In general i've found the sound support to be good. Hell, when windows 10 was rolled for the first time, for a lot of my friends that use windows the sound stopped working.
>retarded graphic driver implementations
You must explain why it's retarded, it seems an strong word for whatever you're trying to describe.
>an ideological base divided on systemd
What is the problem with this? most software on linux comes from different people with different ideas. Thanks to this there's a healthy natural selection process on linux.

>linux is just a stopgap and absolutely nothing more.
They've already sold enough devices with linux to outnumber the amount of devices with windows. For being an stopgap it's pretty good don't you think.

It's not linux fault proprietary hardware manufacturers halfassed or didn't support linux properly, pajeet

At last:
>Linux is on its way out because of third world shitters like you.
If you're not bluffing please explain your reasoning for this claim. Or it's just a feeble attempt at insulting when you have no more arguments?

what about the other points fag?
>no music player
>abysmal printer support
>sound issues

sounds like the last time you tried linux it was ubuntu 9.04

>what about the other points fag?
?

What do you run? Or what would you recommend and why?

Literally just google (or use your stallman-approved search engine) for "why linux is not ready for the desktop"

There's a laundry list of issues that need to be resolved

Yes, sure, Windows and Mac are not perfect, but they have their own killer feature and killer apps, while Linux desktop has almost none. If anyone wants Linux to compete with Windows without vendor and 3rd-party developer support, Linux needs to provide stellar experience out of the box and not what we have currently.

>Literally just google (or use your stallman-approved search engine) for "why linux is not ready for the desktop"
The guy has received good counterarguments (see pic) but he's completely closed to hear any opinion that disagrees. The same way you can find on google (or your preferred search engine that gives you shill points) you can find people talking about the advantages of linux or the problems present on windows and mac, criticism is not exclusive towards linux. The point is that you said linux is not a "finished product", but each person has different priorities and for other people linux can be a more "finished product than windows or mac" even if you don't like it.

>but they have their own killer feature and killer apps, while Linux desktop has almost none.
idk, as i said different people has different priorities and the way linux works or maybe the transparency or the privacy, or maybe things like the package manager or the good customization can be good reasons to stick with it as long the applications they need work on it. Who knows.

>If anyone wants Linux to compete with Windows without vendor and 3rd-party developer support, Linux needs to provide stellar experience out of the box and not what we have currently.
That's exactly the problem, a product can be good or can provide an excelent OOTB support (linux does IMO), but without third party support is very hard to compete in equal terms (ask windows phone), and for third party support it's needed a higher market share, a catch-22 in short. Also the two biggest factors are familiarity and hardware bundled with that software. At the end this doesn't have to do with linux being good or not necessarily.

>because all they do is spend their entire day copying and pasting shit into a terminal to rice shit for desktop threads
Proves you haven't tried Linux or have tried a bad distribution. Try something like Solus.

>abysmal printer support, sound issues out the ass, retarded graphic driver implementations
again, manufacturer's fault, not Linux' fault. Linux community is doing a great work with the drivers. If you understood how the drivers are coded (especially for closed-source hardware), you'd appreciate how hard Linux community works on this. MacOS and Windows get the drivers handed to them for free because of their market share. Once Linux grows its market share, it'll get drivers from the manufacturers too.

No.

Who cares and why should they?

You can run all the OS you want at the same fucking time using VMs. An OS isn't commitment you mongoloid. I have copies of most Winshit from DOS 6.22 up (I fix old CNC machines now and then). All run fine on my Xubuntu (convenient, just works, I'm not autismal) main host.

Where I need a Windows host I use that but keep other OS on VMs. I load new VMs while shitposting or fapping so eventually all my PCs have a few.

IDGAF about "muh botnet". My lifetime metadata is not only boring, it would support renewal of my security clearance. I don't pay for software because I love me and my shekels.

If you don't need a tool, don't install it! So fucking simple. Faggots act like it's 1999 and you have to figure out X setup and find a hardware modem to get online. That's ancient history. (Still have muh USR though.)

"Beta" describes a testing phase, which doesn't really apply to modern development cycles outside of, say, critical embedded infrastructure and flight control systems and whatnot. Everyone else does continuous delivery, open source projects like Linux especially.

How can it be out of beta if its not in beta? What is wrong with winfags/macfags and their brains, are theirs malfunctioning?

Why does Sup Forums think Linux is or should be a desktop operating system? Sure I use it as such but it's not made for that. Linux is made by the community and users find Linux and not the other way around. At first, academic and research communities found Linux, developing Linux further for academic and research use. After a while enterprises found Linux (being able to modify open source software made them less reliant on other companies), developing Linux further for organizational use. If desktop users adapt Linux, they will develop Linux for a better desktop environments. But only if.

Linux and open source fits in research and enterprise environment because the organizations have a motivation to use Linux. They don't want to rely on their competitors' software or hardware. Single "normie" desktop users do not develop their systems and are merely pieces for Microsoft and Apple to play with. Linux is not a commercial entity and will not move towards desktop users unless the community dues. Average users will not care about Linux like enterprise and research did.

Stop being so dumb and read a little.

>happy merchant as rms
The last time he was a "commie" for brainlets. Now a capitalist jew, selling what? Freedom? Fucking idiots.

It's an option for those who won't eat whatever MS shit on the plate.

1. Linux was never meant to replace Windows. Linux is a kernel used in a project meant to replace UNIX, which GNU/linux did in many cases and can do in every case if people are willing to do so.

2. Stable versions of the linux kernel are clearly not in beta. You can even use lts versions of said kernel for maximum stability.

meant to

Where does it say he's a capitalist? Since when does the happy merchant meme imply capitalism as opposed to general kikery?
Dumb animeposter

>posts 3 minutes before me
>means me with his posts, even clarifys so later
are you a wizard?

oh, I see you are new here.
how about you go to Sup Forums and ask them to explain it all to you?

Touché

Yes. Sadly.

I don't know. I've been using Linux exclusively for the past 14 years, so I really don't know what's the state of Windows senpai.

I use Linux (Debian) 90% of the time as an Android/iOS/web developer (I do iOS development the least by far as you might suspect) with the other 10% being MacOS. The only time I use Windows is when I go to the public library next door to print papers for something.

With projects like React Native/Expo I'm starting to use MacOS even less for iOS development.

>Just works
>Have to install drivers

linux never be an OS replacing windows
but gnu+linux is

Windows is not as "stable" as you might think.

>2017
>not enjoying crashes

Me too, and I never felt the urge to go back to Wingblow$

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

> inserting line breaks to bypass autoban
Pitiful.

>not recognizing gnu+linux post

GNU/Linux wasn't designed with the idea to replace Microsoft Windows, it was designed to replace proprietary Unix, reactOS on the other hand, it's designed for replacing Ms windows

I recently installed proprietary software in my brain, that's why i failed.

What distro?

Not him but I've used Debian for a similar amount of time. I still use Debian.

comfy as they don't talk about bs like dropping x86 because "nobody" use it.

Their approach to free software is also, in my opinion, one of the best. They offer a completely free experience for those who want it, but are not stuck in the past and realize proprietary software is somewhat necessary nowadays.

I also like their release model. I use Stable on all of my laptops and Unstable on my desktop. I've quite literally never had a problem after the initial setup.

I don't really trust another community as much as I do trust the Debian maintainers. There's a reason why it's still one of the most popular distributions after all these years.

t. Debian shill

Didn't the nigga who started Debian kill himself?

The government doesn't use Windows. Windows is literally deemed too unreliable for critical infrastructure.

Linux is useful where Microsoft has no hold, or has only pirated copies

Plus modern Linux distributions are pretty slick, with Ubuntu, Fedora , mint , deepin, solus etc etc..

Yes. Some of the niggas that wrote the best literature we've ever read and the best music we've ever heard also have killed themselves. Their personal issues are hardly relevant to the work they leave after they pass.

because you aren't using elementary OS's gala window manager
gala + firefox (with layers.acceleration.force-enabled set to enable) is fucking perfect, and no other window manger + compositor combination can beat it

>Mac and Windows are both exceptional desktop platforms.
Windows is alright but MacOS is a piece of shit which only now starts to be usable.
> rice shit for desktop threads.
It's cool that you can express yourself through your system. Customizability makes everything comfy. I am pretty okay with standart Xubuntu, though.
>a desktop without a solid music player
What is that? Was using VLC for this purpose since WinXP days.What am I missing?
> abysmal printer support
Not a Linux fault. My HP works with every distro though.
>sound issues out the ass
PulseAudio is pretty okay these days.
>retarded graphic driver
What do you mean?
>an ideological base divided on systemd
It's nice that you still have a chance to not use a software which you don't like
>Google is moving on. For good reasons too
Yeah, because they need more control over their unsecure piece of botnet.

What does the government use?

> (OP)
> Linux is a finished product, only problem is, the world and the government rely on proprietary software that has no Linux version.
RELY
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fuck pulseaudio.
whenever i use it, no sound unless i manually switch sound output to headphones, fuck it

It's just werks for me. On obongo it crashes sometimes, but rock stable on manjaro.

Hah, Windows killed Unix, why do you think a clone of Unix would ever compete with it?

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Sorry. I meant to say governments. America is not the only nation.

>finished
What do you mean by finished?
Microsoft keeps updating windows all the time, does that make it beta?

A product that isnt being updated isn't finished it's abandoned

Because it's actually developed, not fucked up for getting more user data. Also unices aren't ded, just smells funny.

No.

Yes.

No they are dead, Solaris died last month. You can't buy a new Unix server anywhere.

UNIX BTFO
networkworld.com/article/3222707/data-center/the-sun-sets-on-solaris-and-sparc.html

That said, UNIX has been dead for decades.

The ONLY redeeming quality UNIX had was ubiquity and compatibility, and Windows and Linux stole that away completely. Who the fuck would legitimately opt for an expensive to support platform whose experts demand top dollar and are limited to a couple thousand people around the world when you have millions of Windows and now Linux capable support infrastructure?

UNIX is literally a meme and should've been officially terminated over a decade ago.

you are missing the entire point of linux which is to have a full operating system kit at your disposal

Buy a mac and enjoy the so called unix experience.
>That said, UNIX has been dead for decades.
Maybe a retard.

>Buy a mac and enjoy the so called unix experience.

Of being a dead platform?

>Buy a mac
mac server? the $20 app? And guess I should run it on the trashcan "server".

You're a retard.

>linux
>will crash in few seconds without "corrcect" video drivers