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reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with wayland and in 2 years virtually everyone is going to be running it instead of x
Xavier Garcia
FUGG I posted this question in the old thread just before it was being abandoned.
I want to clone my double booting disk (a 500 GB WD5000LPVX-80V0TT0 HDD) into a new 1TB one (a Seagate Firecuda ST1000LX015 SSHD). I have both Windows 8.1 and Ubuntu 16.04 on it. What's the best software to use for it? I want to be able to use it on my Asus laptop booting from it immediately after the copy. I'm absolutely fine with just "free as free beer" software for Windows right now, I just want the safest way to do it, because I have some work I need to be able to do those days and I don't want to miss anything during the copy. Also something that's not too difficult to use, 'cause I'm a fucking noob.
Nicholas Martinez
Boot into a livecd and clone/extend with gparted.
Benjamin Sullivan
Lennart Poettering did nothing wrong
Christian Ortiz
This looks crap with custom Sup Forums CSS. Make it transparent, faggot.
Owen Rogers
Got a few questions about pyWal, Rofi, and Polybar.
>Windows Manager: i3 >Bar: Polybar >pyWal for colors
I have an issue where polybar cannot pull the pywal colors at startup and thus never loads.
according to pywal, you should use {xrgb:color2} and {xrgb:color7} as the foreground and background, and if I launch polybar by terminal, it'll have the specified colors without any issue.
This leads me to believe there's a problem with my i3 config trying to launch polybar before it pulls the pywal colors
and will link to OpenGL ES 2.0 and GLFW 3.2 and libc and libsoundio?
Thanks
Charles Hall
for what purpose
Jacob Thomas
achieving the maximum linux audience that means including normies
Isaiah Morgan
GNU/Linux*
John Stewart
ye whatever
Sebastian Martin
>This leads me to believe there's a problem with my i3 config trying to launch polybar before it pulls the pywal colors
Well, yeah. The simple fix would be moving the "exec wal" line above the "exec polybar" line in your i3.conf. Adding a small sleep value (for instance, sleep 1s) in front of the polybar line will ensure that when it starts, the wal colors have been fully loaded.
So, instead of having exec polybar -r default ... exec wal -i ... you could have exec wal -i "/path/to/image.jpg" sleep 1s && exec polybar -r default
Justin Brooks
>i3 >not bspwm absolutely disgusting
Isaiah Thomas
Install GuixSD
Blake Rogers
install source mage
Zachary Garcia
install minix
Hunter Wood
install CRUX
Owen Campbell
Help would be appreciated. >use Debian for years >try new Ubuntu >like it but battery life cut in hald >install Debian (format disk) >ubantoo grub rescue >fuck, did I format the disk? >install Debian (format disk) >ubantoo grub rescue Doesn't Ubuntu want me to use Debian?
Wyatt Cook
Thank you. Is clonezilla any different?
Brayden Foster
Are there any alternatives to KDE connect? Google turns up some options for installing it on non-kde environments, but this is ugly, convoluted, and has a shitload of dependencies I would prefer to avoid.
Is KDE Connect really the only program in its class for linux?
Asher Harris
Can we just stop this GNU and Linux nonsense already? If we go by the LoC metric, GNU probably has like 1% and Linux like .5%. We should just call the OS by what it is. Systemd.
And the thread should be called fsdt, accordingly.
Henry Rodriguez
I know this is bait but historically all the GNU operating system lacked was a kernel, hence GNU/Linux
Jordan Johnson
Not sure what Ubuntu grub rescue is but did you update the grub list?
Ethan Morgan
And historically I would call the Operating System GNU, because that's what it was. But we can't fool ourselves anymore. Systemd has taken over the whole thing by now. It really is the OS and both GNU and Linux are just small parts of it.
Ethan Wood
That's not the reason why the gnu project wants you to call it that, you can tell by the fact that it is a fairly arbitrary name given the many factors you could use to excuse in a name. Rather you should look at what they gain by having their project name alongside popular distribution names. Brand name recognition. Because they are finding it harder to stay relevant in technical merit so need to rely on in-your-face marketing.
Kevin Lopez
I don't know what the typical procedure is for installing Debian, but you need to do something equivalent to: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg grub-install /dev/sda
James Bell
>Rather you should look at what they gain by having their project name alongside popular distribution names Rather you should look at what Linus Torvalds gains by having "Linux" alongside popular distribution names. Money. There is an actual fee you have to pay to use "Linux" in a product.
Nicholas Reed
how many LoC in shitstaind?
Oliver Thomas
-1/12
Adrian Taylor
Is this a safe way to clear all junk unregistered and otherwise on the system partition?
Hey user! Thanks for the recommendation! Any reason I should use i3 over bspwm?
Christian Fisher
im young self learning coder with depression, for last 1 year i was defacto NEET. Im currently writing shitty Python script to get some experience and have better start while lookin for job. Give me tips /fglt/
Nathan Hall
I completely agree with this, except for the punchline at the end of course.
Obviously degree/size of contribution is really a non-factor in the debate over what to call it. So as far as I can tell the only logical things to do are: 1) Just stick with the historical name of who/whatever initiated the development of the system. (Which means it would just be "GNU") OR 2) Just call it something else entirely that is neither GNU or Linux or any combination thereof.
Personally I'm good with either. But the more you actually think about it the less sense it makes to ever call the entire system "Linux" at all
Easton Morales
why not LiGNUx?
Christian Lewis
That's actually not bad
Robert Ward
What is the best vi keybindings extension for firefox?
I don't know, I just said vimfx because it's The One I Useā¢. Which obviously means it's the best
Isaac Bell
You will when they stop supporting xorg and nobody uses it
Grayson Butler
Can't seem to update the kernel on Solus I updated everything, but I'm still on 4.12.7-11, instead of 4.13.something Anyone mind helping a brainlet like me?
Ayden Thomas
Not him, but, I'm fairly certain Wangdows is gonna throw a fit when you move it to different hardware. In regards to clonezilla, it's basically the same thing, a live environment dedicated to cloning discs.Really simple to use, just be prepared to set aside a couple of hours for the process to complete.
Landon Richardson
I wont. They wont stop developing xorg, wayland drops so many features ON PURPOSE that they refuse to support. Xorg has decades of support for hardware
Gavin Morris
But what if it becomes good in the future? Is there an actual reason I see so many posts in /fglt/ lately that are not just unenthusiastic about wayland but seem almost seem to actually be _angry_ at wayland for some reason? Can someone share the reason, I love to hate things too just as much as the next user
Mason Young
Oh, you're being retarded on purpose. Anything that was dropped by xorg was because the kernel can do it, but you already knew that.
Luke Torres
>Any reason I should use i3 over bspwm? no
Luke Reyes
What does wayland offer other then a headache getting your setup to work? You're already using xorg-wayland to run all of those xorg programs you're using, which is the majority.
Blake Brooks
go to college and stay the fuck away from CS
Jace Garcia
KDE already supports wayland and so does gtk3, I don't remember if gtk2 does, but its on its deathbed for support anyways. Transition from X11 to wayland will be a bit shaky, but soon enough everything will be written for wayland by default.
Nathaniel Nguyen
I don't dislike Wayland, itself. How could I form an opinion on it? It's incomplete! That's what I dislike. I dislike this whole deal with putting half-assed software out there for numerous reasons, The main being, there's already a bunch of less than perfect crap like Pulse audio, out there, and I get tired of hearing the screeching about it. If it's not ready, just fucking wait until it is.
Angel Martinez
>written for wayland by default. They said that about OSS but look where we are They said that about pulseaudio and look where we are They said that about nouveau and look where we are
Robert Lewis
I think you are conflating two different motives here.
Brody Morgan
I meant the other way around. How is bspwm better?
Wyatt Johnson
That's a really dumb reason though. By your reasoning we can NEVER get rid of outdated functionality on anything.
* One guys decides to add a piece of junk to something before pushing it out * You like the product, and don't even use that piece of junk * He then decides to stream line and get rid of it * You complain that the next version is now "incomplete"
Jayden Adams
I have set of ips in a ipset filter but when i go to add it to iptables it says "No chain/target/match by that name" when attempting to add that filter to iptables.The ips exist in ipset and its the correct name but iptables refuses to use it
Asher Turner
>He decides to stream line That isn't relevant to this discussion since it isn't what is happening. You can't focus on one aspect of development and ignore all the others.
Dominic Watson
Whatever it is that you have on your mind right now, is what I suggest you make your primary argument and actually SAY what it is you think is wrong with it.
Because all I ever see from you is "lol something isn't in wayland that was in xorg therefore it is inkumplete and it sux"
Jace Perez
LINUX!!!
Jordan Roberts
GNU/LINUX!!!*
Adam Garcia
been looking at a black screen for 5 minutes after performing do-release-upgrade and the files finished downloading
what I do?
Jacob Parker
SYSTEMD!!!
Ryan Ross
So the Linux foundation using litigation to stop people from abusing their organically popular trademark is somehow the same is the gnu project using guilt and misinformation to try to force a meme? Your argument seems a little backwards.
Justin Martin
GNU/SYSTEMD!!!
Dominic Murphy
GENTOO!!!
Jaxson Thompson
I'm not the user who doesn't like Wayland, I was just pointing out your use of the shifting the goalposts fallacy. You can streamline and stop supporting legacy cruft without starting a new codebase and you can even have feature parity on a new codebase. Such popular memers s Joel in software gave written extensive articles on it, probably with lots of citations if peopleware.
Bentley Wright
>README: The file INSTALL contains generic installation instructions >there is no "INSTALL" file in the entire repo, not in master, and not in a release tag Open sores
Kevin Bailey
The only forced meme is renaming a movement incl their operating system because companies dislike freedom" terminology.
>free software? isn't that communism? i want to make money! -> but it's called "open source" >oh, thats nice >GNU? isn't that this freedoms stuff? -> nah, it's "linux" >oh, thats nice
Samuel Nguyen
>github you're lucky when you find a LICENSE file
Blake Carter
Whats a good terminal font with chinese cartoon character support?
Dominic Taylor
>posting an RMS image in the same post that you mention Open source
he would be mad at you
Caleb Russell
Is there a way to fix the fucking ridiculous 1 pixel window resize handle in xubuntu?
Also, why does *buntu disable all my third party ppas after upgrade?
Ryan Ramirez
REDDIT!!!
Hudson Morales
Where did I mention github, you illiterate? I'm pulling from the Xfce git repo, nothing to do with github.
William Thompson
Who mentioned Github you idiot?
Jaxon Bennett
Don't reply to my posts ever again you twats.
Michael Lopez
You do know that Wayland's design effectively destroys any choice and customization right? Wayland's protocol is basically an isolation prison that requires "big DE's" and destroys choice. The protocol moves everything into one central place called the "compositor". This machinery must provide: >the window manager >the hotkey daemon >the compositing effects >the windowing server >screen reading tools >screenshots >screen casting >magnifying glass tools >global dictionary tools >etc etc etc everything. Wayland's design makes it impossible to write a portable hotkey daemon for instance. Supposedly for "security reasons". Wayland is a GNOME dev's wet dream, it kills the ability of people to control their own system. If you're actually excited for Wayland you either thoroughly misunderstand what it brings and just like it because it's new or you're a drooling GNOME-lover who hates customization.
Kayden Bell
@62983369 >this retard thinks git == github
Dominic Green
But it's a totally different concept.
It's not called "xorg-server" for no reason. That's the major difference between xorg and wayland. Wayland is just a library, xorg is a server. So you don't actually "run wayland" in the same way you "run xorg", because running wayland just means you're directly running your WM which includes the wayland library, rather than running xorg first and then telling xorg to call your WM
That's a huge improvement and kind of calls for a new codebase inevitably. I don't mean to offend anyone but all the anti-wayland stuff I've heard lately seems like it's just built in random non-general pieces of wisdom that people are trying to apply to xorg vs. wayland to justify some war between them. There is no actual justification for hating wayland that I can see
Xavier Morgan
He thinks that git is Github and that Github invented repositories or something.
Leo Cox
Linux foundation doesn't own the Linux trademark, that's the Linux mark institute
Hunter Cruz
There's something called extensions, which you can use to extend a protocol and which is already happening to Wayland.
>regurgitating superficial knowledge, memes and myths to feel smart You've already been disproved countless times. Stop posting. Find new edgy opinions to parrot, idiot.
Jayden Cruz
I know he doesn't like the term "Closed source", but what's wrong with "open source"?
What is the advantage of not having a display manager installed (like lightdm or gdm)? I don't really see it
Gabriel Rodriguez
My laptop is slow as shit at compiling. Is there a way to do this in gentoo? >laptop requests a package >desktop downloads and cross-compiles it >sends package to laptop >laptop installs package