Considering wireless carriers are now giving away your personal information including your name and address to websites...

Considering wireless carriers are now giving away your personal information including your name and address to websites, how likely is it that normal ISPs are doing this as well?
techdirt.com/articles/20171017/11071138421/wireless-carriers-again-busted-collecting-selling-user-data-without-consent-opt-out-tools.shtml

Are we now entering a time where a VPN/Tor is a basic step if you want any level of privacy online whatsoever? Given that with this loading data from one wrong place will immediately compromise your privacy if you aren't using a VPN/Tor, even if you have taken every other measure possible to secure your browser.

Is no one on Sup Forums concerned about things like this anymore?

I feel you mate but dead serious you are a bit late.

This is why we don't need net neutrality, the government wants to kill the free market so you're locked into only 1-2 if possible choices

go back to or try to actually learn something factual.

So you have no counter-arguments? Good to know.

present an initial argument

It takes government to strangle the free market and kill competition. High costs of entry, excessive legal paperwork, and soon the need the lawyer up to even be an ISP will scare away new business.

an argument, not a rant

And how will net neutrality protect me?

okay

>dead serious you are a bit late.
How so? It may have been bad before but this is taking things to China tier.

>High costs of entry,
Higher than the it is from all the infrastructure they need to build?

>excessive legal paperwork,
Define "excessive".

>and soon the need the lawyer up to even be an ISP will scare away new business.
Any business that size is going to need lawyers.

In order for a new ISP to be allowed, they need permission from the local city government. Usually they charge far more than what they actually need and it creates an artificial entry into the market. Now with net neutrality, any new innovation and any new whatever will be hampered by lawyers who want new regulations on everything you can do with your own network. You'll have to have good lawyers on your side if someone tries to bring legal claims to you that you violated net neutrality regardless if you did or not.

>how likely is it that normal ISPs are doing this as well?
All my local isps pretty much say that they do/might do/are able to do this in their fine print for as long as I could remember.

>In order for a new ISP to be allowed, they need permission from the local city government. Usually they charge far more than what they actually need and it creates an artificial entry into the market.
That has nothing to do with net neutrality.

>Now with net neutrality, any new innovation and any new whatever will be hampered by lawyers who want new regulations on everything you can do with your own network.
The only thing net neutrality did is mandate that ISPs treat traffic equally. Only new "innovations" that would be blocked would be blocking/throttling access to certain sites or ISPs that also own other services (such as video streaming) zero rating those services to give themselves an unfair advantage over other companies that offer those services.

>You'll have to have good lawyers on your side if someone tries to bring legal claims to you that you violated net neutrality regardless if you did or not.
Lawyers aren't magicians and can't produce evidence that doesn't exist.

The chilling effect from new lawyers can scare people away from competition.

So we should be worrying that lawyers with minimal experience may say things that scare people away rather than worrying about people actually being scared away from competition in other areas because they'd be competing with a larger company that has all data going to/from their own service zero rated giving themselves an unfair advantage?

If there was competition, they would be less likely to do something that would get them going to a competitor.

>If there was competition, they would be less likely to do something that would get them going to a competitor.

If there is only one ISP available, that said ISP can do whatever they want. It's not like you can change it. But lets say there were 4 or 5 or 6 ISPs available all with competitive speeds at comparable prices, far less likely to want to screw a customer over now.

You still have yet to say how removing net neutrality will invite this competition that didn't exist before when the current barriers have nothing to do with net neutrality. Also, what do you propose other services (such as video streaming services) do when they have to compete with services being run by large ISPs when the services run by the large ISPs would have an unfair advantage due to zero rating if net neutrality didn't exist?

It's already illegal to do anti consumer practices like intentionally slowing them down

So you don't know what zero rating is? Fuck off back to since you clearly don't actually know about what you're trying to discuss and are just repeating talking points.