Ask an independence loving Scot anything.
In return, I ask the English to answer this - why does your country have such poor culture? Crap art, sports, music, food, dancing, literature and history.
Ask an independence loving Scot anything.
In return, I ask the English to answer this - why does your country have such poor culture? Crap art, sports, music, food, dancing, literature and history.
How will Scotland battle its substance abuse problem
Well, funding, to begin with, and better education in schools.
Good news, we're independent already. That's what Brexit was about, friend.
No, we're not. We need freedom from the English and to join the EU.
Should gaelic be the national language?
Should we genocide the sassenachs?
>poor food
you guys literally have fried mars bars, it's not like you're much better
Besides haggis and fried shit, Scottish food is just English but with some unnecessary ingredient added in
Yes, Irish should be the national language of Scotland.
ayrshire?
>Chink says other people's food is shit
The English have their own food?
How can you be from Scotland when you have an english flag?
how do you believe leaving the British empire would have a positive affect on the quality of life of the Scottish people?
You know: those fried potato slices, originated from Franco-Belgium dispute, and fish, originated from... anywhere
disgusting surstromming-tier rancid leftovers, like pork scratchings or black pudding is not a food.
why do you think you're special enough to do an ama
Holy fuck kek, please don't tell me you want an independent Scotland in the EU. Any trade barrier between Scotland and the UK is economic suicide.
I wouldn't mind independence, but there's still several things that need to be ironed out before the thought can be entertained.
He obviously meant Gailagh or whatever. But it shouldn't be the language, the SNP are just memeing tourists by putting it on the train stations.
Shite
The big blue and white bits belong to us. The UK is half Scottish.
The lot supporting independence tend to be a bit loony.
any treaty which eu negotiates with england will obviously apply to scotland as eu member. all england is going to get, at best is norway status, meaning you accept all you had accepted previously, without having a say in making the rules. there is literary no downside to scottish independence. it ll be in common market w england and it will get to define the rules together with eu partners in bruxelles.
How will you cope without English largesse when oil proces are so low? Whining to the EU and IMF for handouts?
>He obviously meant Gailagh or whatever.
Scottish Gaelic is just a dialect of Irish.
>all england is going to get, at best is norway status, meaning you accept all you had accepted previously, without having a say in making the rules
I actually favoured an EFTA arrangement for the UK (and by proxy, Scotland) from the start. It allows you to remove some EU legislature, especially from fishery and agriculture policy (whilst still keeping the product regulations, which is good for consumers), and also means that you are free to conduct your own trade dealings without needing the consent of all the other nations of the EU.
If the UK does remain within the EEA (which, barring the want for economic suicide, it will), then Scottish independence is back on the table, but only for EU re-entry - which could be contested by states with their own seperatist factions. There's also the issue of currrency, which no one can give a good answer to currently, and there's the deficit without oil to deal with, which isn't pretty currently. Scottish independence is a fundamentally good idea, just not right now. Maybe a few years down the line.
>Whining to the EU and IMF for handouts?
The EU wouldn't accept a Scotland with a larger deficit than Greece, so no bailouts there. With oil prices this low, it's not possible except by scaling back the more socialistic options the state has put forward.
Interesting, but considering that the majority of countries world-wide don't speak their "own" language (and Scots speak ENGLISH from England), it doesn't matter too much.
Why is the Scottish diet the unhealthiest in the world ?
How do you know you love independence? You've never had it.
>we need freedom from this opressive national union to go join a supernational union that will dominate us even more!
I will never understand why the SNP isn't Euroskeptic
what do you do when you run out of german semen to put on your haggis?
Because what they want more than independence is control over Scotland, and Scottish people are EU loving lefties. It's the only way they can get votes.
REMINDER THAT SCOTLAND WILL NEVER, EVER BE INDEPENDENT
So u be saying England banned your native languages?
its the EU mate, absolutely nothing will happen right now, and May is in no hurry either. brexit wont happen for at least two years, which is ample time to convince the Spanish.
The key thing here is nothing will happen. True effect of brexit comes with diminished trade, and financial dislocation. thats when the real benefit of eu membership will bite everywhere, let alone scotland which voted almost 2 to 1 to bremain. but congratulations to boris and nige,, they actually created the economic case for scottish independence.
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Do the Scottish realise they don't hate the english? they hate the posh cunts in London who everybody hates
Are the Scots brainwashed or something like that then because not wanting to be in Britian but wanting to be in the EU for a country in their position seems like the most contradictory bullshit ever
read
you fucking mongoloid
Scots were some of the first Americans after all
Scots was never banned. It's just there were more people in England, so Scottish people learnt English. Scotland and England were equal partners during the days of the empire.
I agree with you mate. There was already an economic case for Scotland (at least, in my eyes) the first time round, but I think we are a very attractive location. We'd probably be treading on Ireland's niche as the gateway to London, and the EU are already annoyed at Ireland's undercutting of tax.
Most don't hate the English. But most do hate the posh Londoners. There is a small minority that don't like England because they have some irrational persecution complex.
It's easy to claim those who don't agree with you are brainwashed, so I won't say so. Personally, I'd like to see Scotland independent and outside of the EU (like Iceland, or Switzerland), but it's a view only about 10% of my countrymen share.
I don't know. I don't understand either.
I personally don't give a shit whether scotland is in or out I just believe they should stay consistent. Its not them disagreeing with me its just them contradicting themselves drastically in my eyes.
Regardless I doubt the EU would pick up another debt ticking time bomb when they already have Greece
How does his post make me a mongoloid.
wouldn't you prefer to stay with Britain but have a fair say in politics? That's what I'd like to happen.
I don't feel too strongly either way - there's definitely pros and cons to both sides, and I'm optimistic for Scotland's future regardless of whether we are part of the UK or not. I'm just leaning Indy, that's all.
I'd personally have more say in an independent Scottish parliament than I would in the UK government if it's about fair say in politics. One benefit of an independent Scotland would be the death of the SNP as they fall apart at the seams once they achieve their goal.
>they actually created the economic case for scottish independence.
Trouble is Scotland has comparatively very few multinationals & investment banks based there. Unlike England the last majority of Scottish trade (some four 5ths) is with the rest of the UK, they will barely feel the economic effects of leaving compared to the rest of the UK. Their financial status will change very little and until Scotland does something about it's yuge budget deficit, independence looks like a recipe for disaster.
Not that that means the SNP wouldn't win a second referendum, it would just need to be fought off the issue of the economy. No small feat but perfectly possible, just look at Brexit (and soon Trump).
>its just them contradicting themselves drastically in my eyes.
You can be a Scottish nationalist and a European nationalist simultaneously. In fact, I'd say I am both. I'd like to see a European identity and culture created over a large amount of time, before eventual federalisation.
I actually believe the EU does a lot of good, and I'm a fan of supra-national co-operation on projects that would work better on a scale larger than nationally (for example, movement of citizens, potentially energy in the future?). My problem with the EU is the speed at which they want to politically integrate Europe. There's a lot of old men in the parliament with the best of intentions (see Verhofstadt for a prime example) who want to see a united Europe before they die, and would be willing to endanger the integrity of the nation-state and go without a largely homogeneous culture within the state to do so. There's still too many differences between Europeans for a federal EU to be a better course of action within the next few decades.
I've thought about this a fair bit, especially given the referendum, but I think a two-speed Europe (which has been mentioned) is the right way forward. The countries that want federalisation should further enact it, and those who aren't quite ready (see UK, Czech Republic, Denmark, etc.) should take up membership of the EFTA, and purely keep economic (and some political, but nothing like the integration of the other speed EU) ties. Leaving the EU could set a precedent for a real two-speed Europe, not just one in name.
Independence support has dropped following the uncertainty of Brexit, both in stats and anecdotally. It's still way, way too close for the SNP to consider putting forth another referendum.
>Get slapped around by the British and the Normans for entries
>Even used as cannon fodder for the Brits and the Normans
>Finally get the chance to be independent
>Vote Stay
Explain to me, my fine Patriotic Scotsman, why your country decided to shit all over everything your ancestors fought for?
centuries*
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our ancestors fought for scottish independence from english conquerers, scotland was not conquered but formed the UK with England voluntarily (at least officially)
why would europe let a state to join them literally for the welfare?
nuke scotland
Quads commands it!
UNITED Kingdom 4 eva
goes too fast this time of ngiht
>Ask an independence loving Scot anything.
Hmm, this has the potential to be a thought-provoking thread where we discuss the pros and cons of an independent Scotland.
>In return, I ask the English to answer this - why does your country have such poor culture? Crap art, sports, music, food, dancing, literature and history.
Well, never mind.
Be nice, it's not his fault he was born with the disability of being Scottish.
Have you seen the TV show Outlander? If so, what'd you make of it?
Not him (or Scottish), but everytime I hear one of the 'Scottish' actors refer to the English as the British I can't stop laughing.
Why's that? Wasn't at least southern Scotland and Wales integrated into "Britain" by the time 1740 rolled around?
A Scot would never call an Englishman British, they'd call us English.
Ask a Brexit-loving, Cymro Cymraeg from Wales anything.
Fuck off, porridge nigger
why are welsh such cucks to mrs. windsor?
Thank you Wales for making it so that the fucking Scots couldn't solely blame the mean oppressive English for taking us out of the EU.
thank you based welshman.
why is wales so much lessed cucked than sc*tland do you think?
It has been spoken. Quads confirms it.
I've heard its really badly american
well it makes sense tb h, scots already spoke a language which was similar to english for the most part
scots gaelic has been confined to the highlands and isles for 500 years on the other hand
you too lad
keep on fighting the good fight
>why is wales so much lessed cucked than sc*tland do you think?
Highland wogs willingly decided to throw away most of their culture and heritage after unifying with England while we lost in battle trying to defend ours. That's what sets us apart. They try to hide it behind soppy American movies like Braveheart.
Welsh culture and language and nationalism flows freely through the north and south-west and we've got a lot to show for it. Theirs has been locked to a bunch of islands in the north. We host the Eisteddfod every year and it's the largest festival of competitive music and poetry Europe and other brittonic nations such as Brittany are part of it, too.
Scotland has nothing to offer as far as I know. Every time I see anything about Scottish pride it always has something to do Irn Bru or Sir Billi. And oh, what a retirement home of old actors that film turned out to be.
And don't get me fucking started on our languages, mate.
>scottish gaelic speakers: 57,000
>welsh speakers today: 700,000+
That's honestly pretty fucking pathetic for a country that had the privilege of not being annexed and had the advantage of being further away from English towns and cities. And it's not even fully legally recognized.
>It has not received the same degree of official recognition from the UK Government as Welsh.
Even Scots - which was basically a glorified retarded dialect of English pales in comparison.
>scots speakers: 100,000+
TL;DR cuckery is in their genes at this point.
>mfw as long as the SNP exist Tories will never lose a GE
It's 40 seats labour can't have, and the SNP spook the South to vote Tory. It's literally impossible for Labour to win.
1000 YEAR TORY REICH
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speaking of english elections, is UKIP gonna keep running for office? or are they done basically
UKIP is currently under going a messy leadership contest as Nige stepped down now his job is done.
Once that is done they plan to rebrand, new name, new colour etc. They will run again in 2020 but I assume a lot of votes will just go back to Tory in the South. Unless Labour fixes itself they will still leech the Northen votes tho
makes sense. glad theyre not just fucking off, i quite like them
gonna miss nige though he was pretty sound
Nigger I fully support your independence, but saying England has carppy art, sports, music, literature and history is basically spitting at some of the greatest pieces of Western civilization.