>l-lincucks is the best operating system

>then try hibernating your system

>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os

>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.

>try having modern,well-supported drivers.

>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)

>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.


im not saying windows is perfect or that it doesnt have its weaknesses nor that linux is an unusable piece of shit.it isnt its actually a very good os but you linux elitist faggots really need to get off your high horses.

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>>then try hibernating your system
works perfectly
>>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
there's a specific command for it, I can't recall it since I'm on windows right now, it's package manager dependant but I know pacman can do it
>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
Gdebi for all debian based distros
>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
Propietary drivers
>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
wrong, prove yourself.
>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
Got me there, I just don't use industry standard software since I don't have to yet. I use it at home in a dualboot. It's not Linux's fault MS pays companies like Adobe to stick to their shitty OS and not dev for linux.

>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands
don't see why this restriction

>>then try hibernating your system
This isn't an issue
>>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
I think you didn't learn anything about package management
>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
If you're afraid of the terminal, the power of *nix is wasted on you
>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
This is an issue. Blame vendors
>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
This depends on the goals of the distro you chose
>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind
Since I use linux for sysadmin and dev, there is nothing about it that isn't industry-standard. If you're trying to use linux for gaming or imaging, you chose the wrong OS.

Moral of the story: Linux isn't for everyone. It will never, ever be for everyone. Most users don't need it. For those of us who do, it's a godsend.

I think I might just start filtering every post that includes the string cuck

it's something linux is bad at doing

Out of this list, the only issue I've had is not having Microsoft based programs. I do love my windows as well, this list is bait doe

>>then try hibernating your system
it works better than windows for me
>>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
on arch this is every day
>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
not sure what the point of this is, but i suppose you could put together a simple script to install any PKGBUILD file by double clicking it
>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
everything works perfectly. windows still can't get touchpad drivers right
>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
stop using debian
>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
i run autodesk maya and use it in a professional capacity on linux

the truth hurts(tm).

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

You know it the best, OP. Don't you?

Yet another "i confuse operating system with гiyк yтмшкщтьyтe because dunno my head is full of spiders" thread.

>industry standard

and thats when i knew you where a shill

openPEPE Tumbleweed user here.
I can do everything from a list except running good proprietory drivers and software like Ms Office, Adobe, etc. but this is hardly Ganoo plus Linox fault.

wrong (yes, i am linux user)

gentoo

>>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.

dpkg -i shit.deb

or

configure
make
sudo make install

when using a source

>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)

add a fucking PPA or grab the latest package from the web

>>try having modern,well-supported drivers

I use latest nvidia and intel drivers from their websites

>Got me there, I just don't use industry standard software since I don't have to yet. I use it at home in a dualboot. It's not Linux's fault MS pays companies like Adobe to stick to their shitty OS and not dev for linux.

Literally the only thing windows has over linux and Windows faggots will defend this jew behavior

>>then try hibernating your system
Have you tried enabling it? Stop using meme distros like Arch and Gentoo.
It werks in ubuntu.

>It's not Linux's fault MS pays companies like Adobe to stick to their shitty OS and not dev for linux.

Are you a fucking retard?
Do you think Microsoft is on some giant conspiracy to pay developers to NOT dev for linux? Are you actually this fucking stupid?

You do realize Microsoft is shilling their corporate partnership with Ubuntu to bring the Ubuntu userspace to windows...

Companies like adobe write software for microsoft/osx because it has a vast majority of the market share, not some anti-linux corporate conspiracy.
Why would they waste their time writing their software for linux if they determine there is little demand to warrant all the work they would need to do to add linux support? Linux desktop use is incredibly small, and regardless of your argument, no modern GPU drivers deliver even similar performance on linux compared to windows, regardless of how well Adobe writes their software. Designers/Industry professionals generally don't have time to care about ricing their i3 setup and supporting some floss movement, or arguing about desktop environments. They have real work to get done and will want it done as fast as possible. Companies will distribute corporate images with easy one-size-fits-all setups to satisfy their employees.

I think OP is talking about dependencies. He has a point, but is exaggerating a lot.

Wtf is this shit? I hibernate my PC nightly, are you an actual retard OP? There are plenty of ways to install programs outside of a package manager as well...

Nah, just read the README and get what you need.
Windows have the same problem. It simply has more libraries installed by default ie bloat.

It works in every distro you absolute brainlet. Do you understand what hibernating is?

>protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch
(not true, by the way)

I do but it used to not work out of the box just a couple of years ago.

Linux has no software because Linux has no marketshare because Microsoft has pulled monopolistic fuckery. When manufacturers started trying to ship Linux on netbooks, Microsoft fucked them over in some (admittedly unknown) way. Linux was poised to grab a third of the Netbook market.

>Do you think Microsoft is on some giant conspiracy to pay developers to NOT dev for linux

yes you idiot. its even been proven numerous times

>>then try hibernating your system
works here
>>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
why would want to do that? well you can do that through any package manager
>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
you can do that, though why would want a piece of software that is not trusted?
>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
that's true, though that's manifacturers fault, not the OS's
>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
that never happens, cite 3 exemples. Though that would be the maintainers fault, not the OS's
>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
that's true, though that's manifacturers fault, not the OS's

>then try hibernating your system
I do this regularly and it works very reliably. The only system I've ever had trouble on was a thinkpad that needed a config change for some reason. That thinkpad used to fail to hibernate one in ten times, back when it ran Windows.

>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
eix-sync && emerge $package_name
easy

>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
>wanting to do something outside the terminal
why are you on Sup Forums? What programs do you need that aren't in the package manager?

>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
I've never run into a situation where any of my hardware wasn't perfectly functional with at least the nonfree drivers.

>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
What distro is this an issue with? Debian? On Arch and Gentoo, the unstable packages are usually added in less than a month.

>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
>nearly all the industry standard compilers work on linux
>most servers run linux, so most server software runs on linux
>all 2 web browsers that can view most webpages work on linux
>tons of CAD tools work on linux

post a single credible source

>Company lobbies their OS to everyone and embargoes companies to get them to produce program to their OS only
>Company then proceeds to incorporate the enemy's companies products in their line of products to impair development and improve their line.


M8 you're blind AF.

1.incentivizing companies to ship their laptops with Microsoft is not some conspiracy to stop linux

2. The Dell XPS is hailed as the premier windows experience by MS, sold as a flagship product in all microsoft stores, but the XPS proudly boats the option to come with Linux from the Dell website. I hardly see microsoft fucking Dell for giving customers the option to have linux on their notebook

Grow a brain

>then try hibernating your system
You can easily do that.
>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
Yeah, right, updating your entire system and all your programs with a one-liner surely is inferior to the windows way of "wait twenty minutes before your computer can shut down because we're doing updates now", "wait twenty minutes before your computer starts, because we haven't finished updating", "click this button to shut down your PC immediately, or this other button to delay the next nagging message by a couple hours", and after doing all that, you will still see a message telling you to update software X when you run it after a few months (I do sometimes use windows, so I'm not just spouting memes here).
>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
If you want to use linux, you should be comfortable enough with the command line to type dpkg --install, and if you want to compile from source, then it's gonna suck on every system.
>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
Shit like wifi, bluetooth just werk for me, although I agree that installing the legit nvidia driver would be a pain in the ass.
>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
Try switching to debian testing from unstable.
>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
That's only relevant if you work in one of those industries, and then you can just dualboot and enjoy the comfiness of linux when you don't work.

>63029459
Yeah, and Intel is so widespread only because manufactures don't wanna deal with shitty AMD.
Also, as a pro designer I do have time to rice my dwm setup. Not using Adobe products in a graphic design field is impossible though. Not even because GIMP/Inkscape, etc. are inferior (they are) but because they can't in proprietory formats.

I have the end all, be all refutation to your argument and there is nothing you can do about it: it
works
fine
on
my
machine.

Come on, OP

Windows:

> try getting a virus

> try waiting 10 minutes for it to start up

> try having Windows randomly turn off to install updates for 2 hours

> try dealing with a load of bullshit bloatware

> try getting random toolbars added to your browser every time you install something

> try paying for your OS

> try being a sheep

all of those things work on my machine

>Try switching to debian testing from unstable.
not him, but debian unstable isn't that up to date. they're only on wine 2.0.2. Bleeding edge distros are on wine 2.18 or 2.19

Oh, okay, the things I use are reasonably up to date, it has Erlang 20, for example.

Sid has some bleeding edge stuff, but a lot of packages seem to lag behind a bit. They still had GCC 6.3 last time I tried out debian, which was july, I think. Arch had been on GCC 7 for a while before that.
I'm not sure i really understand the point of wanting a system to be entirely bleeding edge. I use Gentoo, so I like having the ability to have a couple programs that are up to date, like Wine and Firefox, where each update can improve performance and other things, but with a lot of other packages. it can be a headache.

I locked my Windows 10 PC yesterday. I just locked it.
I didn't get a "EXCUSE ME SIR WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE" pop-up.
I locked it, and I walked away.

I came back, and I was greeted by the BIOS password screen. Windows had restarted behind my back, while locked, to install updates.

This is the second time this has happened. This was WITHIN active hours (pic related), no less. It takes a lock state as a sign that it can take the liberty to reboot.

I lost homework, I lost loli porn tabs, I lost it all, Sup Forums.

And yet... in a serious look at the platform, myself, my priorities, and my values... I still decided that switching to Linux wholesale is a bad idea. Extremism is never the answer. Linux has its uses, and I use it. I want to use it more, like for a home server. But, for a general UX, it cannot obviate Windows. So I will keep using Windows, although I'm strongly tempted to return to 7. The right tool for the right job is always the most optimal solution.

Pragmatism > idealism

>loli porn tabs
>windows
Go back to Sup Forums

So I guess when it says "We won't auto restart it during active hours curfew at 1700 sweetie, and we won't restart it without checking if you're using it", it's not

inActiveHours() && notUsing();

but rather

inActiveHours() || notUsing();

But I only play KSP and DF, user.
I don't belong there.

>extremism
>pragmatism
>idealism
>your post
you do know you are a retard right?

No u

>then try hibernating your system
Never had a problem with this.

>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
Apparently the command for this (on Ubuntu) is
apt-get install --only-upgrade

I'm not sure why you would want to do this though. You should always update every package as soon as a new version is available. Anything else and you're not doing security right.

Although for you Windows fags... try updating your operating system without restarting.

>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
Download .dpkg file and double click.

>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
I have these on Ubuntu.

>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
On Ubuntu, you'd use a PPA to get the development branch of the package. Alternatively, you'd compile from source. To be fair though, the Windows versions of the programs I use get updated slower.

>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
I've got plenty of industry standard development tools. The only thing I don't have is Visual Studio, which I'd rather not ever have to use if I can avoid it.

>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
>I have these on Ubuntu.
user, you do not have drivars written by real professions who got paid to write them.
You have drivars written by eCommunist programmers who got the original drivars and ported them (unless they were ported by Canonical or Red Hat employees).

I use a System76 laptop. I get my drivers from the hardware manufacturer.

i think the hibernation "problem" is a reference to the fact that normaly most distributions use suspende instead of hibernation i think. this is something you can change with systemd

>I lost loli porn tabs
So nothing of value was lost?

Oh, I thought you meant for peripherals and GPUs, not for your hipster non-ThinkPad lappytop *sweeeeeeeeetie*! :333
WHOSGOTAHIPSTERLAPTOP???
YOU DO!
YESUDO!!!
system76.com/laptops/oryx
D'awwwwwwwwwwww, a GTX 1060 OR 1070 on their fanciest ultrabiggirlbook! Do they port their own Nvidia drivers to Pop!_OS or Ubuntu???

> hibernation
Works
> update without updating while OS
Easy
> install program from outside package manager without commands
Drag drop to usr/bin
> modern well supported drivers
Literally everything works out of the box
> latest version
> he doesn't use Arch
> try running industry standard software
gcc

Hibernate at night?
Why not just put it to sleep?

Why not just lock it and let the screens go black and quit all this GAY INBETWEEN TOMFOOLERY SHIT, WUT IF YER MININ OR TURRENTIN OVERNIGHT YOU PHLEBS!!!!!!!!!!!

>>then try hibernating your system
Works fine, but I have an SSD so I never use it

>>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
Easy, but not really useful

>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
This works out of the box

>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
Both my laptop and desktop have better drivers on linux then they do on windows

>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
Are you retarded? Just because you've only ever used debian and centos 5 doesn't mean every distro is old as dirt. Even if my package manager is lagging behind on a package by a week or two I can just grab an RPM from the website or use their repo

>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
All IDE's baring VS run better on linux then on windows, all compilers run better on linux then on windows. LaTeX, linux admin tools (ssh, virt-manager). It's not hard to get CAD and 3D modeling software to run under windows either. For video editing I know of several people that use KDEnlive professionally, I also know there's lots of artists that use Krita

Your points are dumb and outdated, you've been memed

>Your points are dumb and outdated, you've been memed
W-wut
wut is he, Linux??? *breathes*

> try getting a virus
Have a brain
> try waiting 10 minutes for it to start up
Be able to afford an ssd, linux is plagued by the same problem but worse. Random drives/system processes will require time before boot can continue.
> try having Windows randomly turn off to install updates for 2 hours
You should be using Windows 10 LTSB/Enterprise/Pro. Even home now lets you delay update or choose when to restart. Modern windows will never do this.
> try dealing with a load of bullshit bloatware
You should be using windows OEM, not shitty windows that comes with your laptop from the MFR. If you have LTSB it has 0 bloat, if you have enterprise/pro you can remove all the cortana/"metro" stuff in a single command.

> try getting random toolbars added to your browser every time you install something
Use chocolately or ninite or LEARN TO FUCKING READ WHEN YOU INSTALL SOFTWARE. Don't blame windows for this, blame the software that allows its installer to be coupled with adware.

> try paying for your OS
Use google keys for pro are < $10. Uni's get it for free. Piracy exists as well.

> try being a sheep
try harder

Fedora can do all of those things.

Except maybe
>running industry standard software

That's a little vague. It runs anything except muh Adobe and muh AutoCAD programs. Even then I can just open my Windows 10 LTSB virtual machine and they run fine in that.

That's most game companies also. If there were more AAA titles on Linux that didn't have to be bootstrapped on with Wine, then everyone would use it.

The average Linux desktop user is a tin foil hat wearer; news at 11, seriously you expected anything else?

They're too fucking dense to understand the importance of marketshare from a bussiness standpoint, plus freetards can't stand the idea of money as an incentive.

Peripherals work out of the box. GPU varies completely. Thinkpads get decent support for Linux. Drivers for System76 should work on everything since it's the same fucking Linux kernel everywhere. The only significant difference between distros is the package manager and default installed programs.

...

Naught trew.
These exciting days, I--I used to play all the hawt AAA games and be in CoD tournies and went Silver League in SC and all that jazz--but nowadays I only play throwback retro roguelikes and DF and EU4 and autist shit like that on my hex-core GPU 1080 Ti system, all games supported by Steam On Ubuntu With Unity™.

So I would feel no pain in switching from Wangdows to Leenucks, gaming-wise. The pain I would feel would be from encrypting with LUKS and RAIDing with whatever in the fresh fuck and probably multimonitor issues like not being able to align the monitors by diagonals but instead edge only and using the same production software and DEN
and DEN...

...

How much do you get for shilling for microsoft? Im also considering this job if it pays well enough.

Does Dark Souls run on Ubuntu, Debian or Gentoo?

I apologize; I do not play Japanese games my fine
feathered
fellow.

>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
change sources.list to a repo with newer versions
I'm fine with old ones though, then again I use debian so of course I am

>if someones defends something I don't like is a shill

B A I T
A
I
T

Works great.
Works great.
I can, but that tends to be retarded when you have package managers. You basically just don't.
Works great.
Works great. No, it does not have 1.5 year old packages.
Works great. Virtually all tools from the CS / IT industry that matter are at home on Linux.

My Arch installation is perfectly capable of all of those things. Though the last point probably doesn't count, as it would use Wine.

Linux is very usable. Learn how to use it better. Knowledge is key kid.

>jelous because cant into linux cli
>only plays games
>get a console

>horses are bad if you wanna use them to cycle

If you honestly believe MS needs to pay other companies for them to choose not to develop for Linux, you're just painfully retarded.
They don't develop for Linux for a bunch of much more reasonable reasons.

1) They don't because Linux is tainted with autistic freetards who'd never ever even think about paying for their software.

2) They don't because Linux has a fucked up userspace where the ABI is broken every single week and there's no way to support all the distros and all of their versions without literally including everything you might need in your binary, and even if you do this it might still not work.

3) Combine 1 and 2, you have a very small percentage of the Linux desktop market (which is already almost non-existent) that would be interested and willing to pay for your software, and now you have to create yet another barrier because you'll most likely only want to support Ubuntu LTS and RHEL. It just isn't worth it. It makes no sense whatsoever to spend money on it.

/thread

I still miss wannacry from the news and telemetry overhead from the system. User hostility cannot be justified with some features.
Also android will sooner or later will replace windows for the layman and windows will be just a hated workhorse used almost only in office space.

This, this is one of the reasons why Linux is and won't stop being a hobbyists OS.

If Linux wants to be relevant out of 'muh sikret klub' it needs to get its shit together, create common standards that every single distro must have (such as the same package manager), remove the use of the command line as the principal user interface (it needs to manage it like windows: you don't have to use it at all; and you won't need to in any possible scenario, but it's still there for power users), etc.

>inb4 b-but Linux would stop being Linux!
Well, that means Linux will never stop being unpopular; and thus will never be a 'true' desktop OS, as it is made by developers for developers and for developers only, apparently.

Download Deb file, double click, press install. Not hard.

>android replacing windows

heartychuckle.jpg

My thinking as well.

>then try hibernating your system
Just werks

>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
No probs with pacman

>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
Why are you afraid of terminal?

>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
I do. And Im talking about a laptop with a lot of shitty proprietary hardware.

>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
No probs on arch

>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
Lol now youre just making things up.


What is your point?

>Why are you afraid of terminal?
It's literally the worst user interface created. Clicking a button? Comfy af. Memorizing a command and typing it in? The comfiness level has fallen by orders of magnitude.

>He can't memorize a short command
brainlet detected

Wow weak minded individual

>latest version of you programs
Pajeet barely knows English its no wonder he can't use Linux.

>why can't Linux be mainstream
>elitism and denial of basic human-computer interaction fundamentals
Yep.

It's not that I can't do it either. I use Linux, and I use commands as fancy as sudo !!. Nevertheless, it's less comfy to than a GUI any honest person. That's why GUIs supplanted CLIs insofar as they were able.

But many people would make fun of how I use good grammar and punctuation and claim that, while they're perfectly capable of it themselves, it's less comfy to adhere to it at all times. It would be undue effort. For me, it's not that much more effort, and I value doing it, and I can't help but feeling elitist against those to whom it is too much effort to put up with on a regular basis.
Nevertheless, if good diction was an OS, that wouldn't help its case.

But I bet he still l-likes you.

>then try hibernating your system
Literally takes 5 minutes to set up. If you need something like suspend/suspend to disk you configure it yourself. That's how linux works.
>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
Why the fuck would that be a problem? Any non-shit package manager should be able to do it, but why would you want to?
>>try installing a program from outside the package manager without terminal commands.
WOW TERMINAL IS SO SCARY.
Fuck off.
>>try having modern,well-supported drivers.
Anything relevant has built in drivers, everything else might require some extra setup.
>>try having the latest version of you programs(protip:the package manager always have 1 and a half year old packages even on the unstable branch)
babby is too scared compile shit himself if he needs it.
>>try running industry standard software of almost any kind.
WINE

I do all all these things literally without trying just by running gentoo with one or two custom scripts I made in like 5min years ago

install gentoo

/thread

Werks fine with Arch on my XPS 13

>try hibernating your system
I do that all the time

>try updating a program or package without updating your whole os
I do that occasionally, although usually there is no point.

>try installing a program from outside the package manager
Literally, why?

>Try having modern, well supported drivers.
I do.

>try having the latest version of your programs
I have the latest stable version of all the applications I have installed.

>try running industry standard software of almost any kind
Why should I give a fuck what is considered "industry standard"? I would rather use the software that suits my needs best

whomst'dve art thou quoting

Because sleep is less secure than hibernation or regular shutdown for those of us with full disk encryption.